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post Feb 26 2014, 07:20 PM

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QS Subject World Rankings for Pharmacy:

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post Feb 26 2014, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(pktay @ Feb 26 2014, 05:54 PM)
Background : I'm an A-level student, having 4As in maths/physics/chem/bio..limited financial aids....planning to join a Bpharm course.
Several options I have considered : UCSI, USM ( Don't know whether I could get the offer or not ) , IMU, Nottingham..These are the few that I know..
UCSI..from what I read is more unstable/ new??
Nottingham /  2+2 of IMU , is way overbudget..

So, I think I wil go for USM/ IMU 4 years local BPharm..

Does anyone know more details about IMU 4 years local Bpharm? Any seniors/ alumni?  Need some realistic self experience/ advices.

Is my choice correct if I'm planning to work in Malaysia as a pharmacist after degree/ OR continue my master studies...but at the meantime secure a chance to work overseas
Thanks in advance !  P/s : My english is poor biggrin.gif
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UCSI would be the cheapest of the lost.

If your main idea is to work overseas then your only option would be to study an oversea pharmacy degree right from the 1st year.

and you should only think about masters once you can graduate from a pharmacy school.
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post Feb 26 2014, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(pktay @ Feb 26 2014, 10:37 PM)
From what I know the fees of UCSI is 110k, IMU is around 177k..I mean is it worth for me to save the 60k for the loss of better quality of course? Or the difference in quality of this 2 Unis is just not worth the 60k...If IMU is really alot greater than UCSI, then i wil spend more 60k...If not, I wil go for UCSI, saving up the 60k, which worth a car...I'm bad in expressing, hope u get what I mean haha  rclxms.gif
And why is it necessary for me to continue for master? In Malaysia, I thought most of the people wil go to the 1 yr government after degree? Am I right?  rclxub.gif
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IMU is so expensive now? almost close to the fees of Monash. unsure.gif well IMU's reputation is definitely much better than UCSI..

erm i didnt mention that it's necessary for you to continue masters.
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QUOTE(pktay @ Feb 27 2014, 12:07 AM)
Yaa..every year is increasing ~.~
Opps sorry..then do you know that for pharmacy, the salary of master and degree holders in Malaysia differs alot? I don't know whether I should continue study or start working and gain experience...Will master holders stand a higher chance in the rat race? Or those employers just want to look for degree holder with lower pays ~~ wink.gif
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masters doesn't offer you any financial advantage. i think you should just worry about successfully graduating from a pharmacy degree first before thinking about other things smile.gif

depends what kind of masters as well. no guarantee. as long as you are good people will hire you dont worry
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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Mar 3 2014, 11:51 PM)
hi every1, i just graduated my stpm this year with cgpa 3.2 ..i thought of doing a degree in pharmacy. i meet d requirement of private uni but not public uni..i thought of doing it in ucsi since it is cheaper compare to imu n monash. however, it still need 110k. i have financial difficulties. ptptn loan i check oni supply ard 80k so d 30K have to use our own $?. besides, im constantly hearing pharmacist in msia are saturated, is it true?im worry about that ..thank u in advance for replying me ^^
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why do u want to be a pharmacist in the first place?
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post Mar 4 2014, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Mar 4 2014, 08:31 PM)
this is because i like chemistry n want to help people..but im afraid i dun hv d money to pay for fees..if really cant help i will switch to become a chemist..
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well honestly pharmacy is not just about chemistry and helping people alone. do you even know what can a pharmacist do when you graduate from your course? cant help much about your financial condition though. all the best to you in that aspect smile.gif
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QUOTE(iamonlyhuman @ Mar 4 2014, 09:06 PM)
No offence but do you mind to tell, if pharmacy isn't just about biology, chemistry & helping people, then what is it about? And do you mind to tell why you want to do pharmacy at the first place?
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apart from those subjects, pharmacy has aspects of physics, physiology (not biology), law, communication, business, logical reasoning and a lot more than "biology, chemistry & helping people". the pharmacy world is so huge now that you need not like to 'help people' if you are only keen in working in the corporate sector or industry.

i am generally interested in the medical field and the various options that a pharmacy degree can offer.

QUOTE(yuuki94 @ Mar 4 2014, 10:09 PM)
correct me if im wrong zstan, if i m nt mistaken pharmacist working in hospital have to :
1. round d ward n check doctor prescription see correct medicine bo the doc give
2. do blood test all that
3. advice patient wat to take
4. prescribe medicine for minor illness
but if working in d small shop like guardian just like a sales person n im aware of it...
im aware oso that mostly i will end up  in guardian all since hospital position mostly full..meaning to say i have to become a salesperson standing bhind d counter checking stocks n if d patients come n cough just sell them medicine like that ..
i know this sounds impossible n stupid, but i do have a vision to become a pharmacist in australia..reason bcus income n working environment there. my a-level fren just finish her studies n she is in australia nw doing her 1st year degree, she told me she will help me ask d lecturer there for d pathway to become pharmacist in australia. of cos, fees to register there as a pharmacist will be so expensive that may take lot of years to collect but there is a saying that u imagine wat urself to be according to d law of attraction.
i saw 1 of ur post said that in july 2013, australia dun need pharmacist anymore but my fren said australia now need..i dunno hw far is true. but that is nt my concern nw. zstan, u r a pharmacist right? mind sharing ur experience why u bcum a pharmacist n hw ur life nw? thank u so much  biggrin.gif
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1. only ward pharmacist do ward rounds. but most pharmacists would have to screen prescriptions if they are in outpatient/inpatient
2. blood test not done by pharmacist
3. if u mean advise how to take the meds, then yes
4. nope, only in retail pharmacy

there is more to guardian.. still have caring, watsons, cosway etc.. hospital positions are only quite full in urban areas.. there's still a lot of vacancies in other towns.. well you can sell more than just cough medicine.

yes it's impossible to work in australia now unless you are doing your degree all 4 years so don't need to think about it la.the pharmacy market is more saturated there compared to malaysia.

yeah rural area still need if that's what your friend is saying. nah still a student.

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QUOTE(iamonlyhuman @ Mar 5 2014, 09:41 PM)
How you know you are interested in medical field?
P/S: I just want to know 'how' to see if I am interested in it :/
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i went for hospital attachments.. asked around the people whose in the field.. and took 1 year of studies to think properly.
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QUOTE(jun0625 @ Mar 14 2014, 01:34 PM)
If I want to do prp in community pharmacy..how to apply? should I approach to the community pharmacy that I interested to?
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yeap. but u have to check first whether they offer PRP postings or not

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QUOTE(thomaskid @ Mar 15 2014, 07:06 PM)
Hi everyone, I just finished my a-levels and gotten my results. I'm considering a degree in pharmacy. But there are a few questions I would like to know

1) Actually, what is the starting salary for a fresh graduate in pharmacy degree? Whether in public of private sector also nvm, I just need some info.

2) Some time ago, newspapers reported that there are too many pharmacy graduates in malaysia. Is this true?

3) What are the job opportunities for a pharmacy graduate?

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1) fresh grad in public around 4k..private less 3k.. but will increase once you get your licence.

2) yeah quite a lot but jobs are still available. just that the salary now getting lower compared to 5 years back

3) read from first page onwards
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QUOTE(Chris3813 @ Apr 17 2014, 10:55 AM)
Hi everyone! I'm a STPM leaver 2013, which are one of the 1st batch of this new modullar system. Our overall results is out, but I have to wait for my real real overall results as I've resit two papers for the 3rd term,which will b out in 24th April.
But now, my main concern is that can I enter IMU for pharmacy? Because before my actual result is out, I've roughly got a CGPA2.67. And I hope that I may do better for the resits in 3rd term which then I could get a minimum CGPA3.00.

STPM, I find it very tough for me...but, I could say I'm an average student, I just can't express it out to anybody, that I know my ability, even though I dun score very well in STPM, but I'm very sure that I can manage to get my degree, even though I did not meet the entry requirement(if that uni accept me).
Why am I so sure about this? it's because I'm scoring quite well in my biology and a bit with my maths, it's the cumulative of these three terms of STPM results fails me...for, I don't score well in my 1st term, ended up with unsatisfactory results. For my background, SPM and PMR, I scored 8As and 7As consecutively. (Just FYI, that I'm overall an average scoring student that I'm capable, which I'm stating it for the consideration for pharmacy)

So, I would just really like to know if anybody encounter this case quite similar to mine, which could at least gimme some input? My dad supported me that if I'm offered a place in IMU, then I can go for it, but if I'm not, I have to keep my options open. But, surely, I'm hoping that I could get into one of the better private university rite? And even hoping for the credit transfer options which is available in IMU. Or even Nottingham MPharm?

I'm so afraid that my hope will shattered into pieces...therefore,I hav came across this forum to talk to somebody about my problem. I could just tell no one here, people would just thought that I'm overconfident or I don't accept the fact that I'm stupid enuf to take up pharmacy.

Ur valuable reply is kindly appreciated. thank you~ smile.gif
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What does CGPA 2.67 means? 3Bs for STPM? how's your chemistry and biology?why do you even want to do pharmacy in the first place?
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QUOTE(Chris3813 @ May 7 2014, 12:59 PM)
Hello, Zstan. I've made this discussion in another forum.but, I found out that ure an experienced pharmacist. So, I want to seek some advice.

The below are what I shared:

can I hav some feedback from anyone having the experience going through this pathway? I'm a STPM leaver, but did not meet the entry requirement for pharmacy (although I nearly got the points which I get CGPA3.0 in STPM)

1. I wanted to re-embark a pre-u programme, which I'm having MUFY in mind. The intake is in July. I need a direct pathway which I could smoothly get my entry into Monash Pharmacy. Therefore, I would need some tips and advice which I need to take "precaution" without failing again. I've check the entry requirements for MUFY score 310 including chemistry & maths both 80% to enter BPharm. But, I've no idea how MUFY difficulty levels are like. I do need some encouragement to enlightened me.

2. How is the BPharm in Monash? I've compared the programme structure with IMU BPharm, from my observation, I thought the programme structure of Monash BPharm is mostly base on chemistry while IMU pays more attention to human biology. Is my observation positive?

3. Anyone are welcome to share their BPharm experience in Monash. Eg: learning process, how to keep our scores right on track without failing any semester....etc.

I do need any advice as soon as possible, because I will need to submit my application form.

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Hi i'm not sure where you found out that im an experienced pharmacist but i'm just a final year pharmacy student sweat.gif

Yes there are people who went through MUFY all over again to enter Monash Pharmacy. Well MUFY is pretty easy compared to the rest and if you don't spend your days partying you would be fine. You would suffer eventually during the pharmacy degree because MUFY doesn't cover much details in the subjects, but since you have STPM you would probably be a bit more prepared compared to raw MUFY students.

Not sure how is the IMU program like but Monash Pharmacy is more integrated. Not sure how to explain integrated in layman terms but we don't study individual subjects on its own. Every semester there will be 4 units covering a wide range of topics which will somehow be interlinked with that unit or other 3 units. There's also less lab reports in monash compared to IMU. and as you progress through the years, Monash focuses more on pharmaceutics and drug delivery as this is where its research strengths are. Not sure what IMU had researched but probably they will just teach u main stream clinical pharmacy stuff.

It's not easy to fail if you complete your assignments and study properly during the study break. getting high distinction is another story altogether though.
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QUOTE(Chris3813 @ May 8 2014, 12:34 AM)
Thank you for replying, sorry I thought I assumed u as a graduate. Btw, thank you for ur information. What about the student intake per year? I heard Monash has a quota which only accept about 50 students per year,isit true?

And I know passing MUFY is a lot easier, but what about getting MUFY score above 310 ? (In order to enter pharmacy monash)
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Yes but the quota has been lifted after getting full accreditation.

Getting MUFY above 310 should be much easier than getting 3A* or ATAR 99.
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QUOTE(Decky @ May 11 2014, 01:18 AM)
I've heard of Kamal, but I live in PJ so it's quite a drive IMO.

Thanks for the list! but I couldn't find any appropriate ones for now.

Do you think it's possible for me to work part time at a community pharmacy for a month? How should I approach them? Any particular pharmacies that are good?
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yes it's possible. the independent pharmacies are probably more approachable, especially if you are looking not to get paid.

QUOTE(iamonlyhuman @ May 11 2014, 10:45 AM)
I am a post A Levels student. Do anyone know how can I apply for a placement (or called shadowing) for hospital or even community pharmacy?
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write an official letter to that hospital or pharmacy or give them a call. best if you have connections.
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QUOTE(Exodus123 @ May 11 2014, 08:40 PM)
is it useless to study in the university that is not recognized by Pharmacy Board Malaysia?

http://www.pharmacy.gov.my/v2/en/content/l...acy-course.html
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yes it is quite useless if it's not accredited. there will be a super long delay in getting your PRP and FRP when you graduate.
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QUOTE(Decky @ May 18 2014, 10:20 PM)
Have you tried? I just finished my first year so I'm just thinking of how I want to be productive with my holidays...
I mean, spending 1 month working unpaid sounds depressing....
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erm no. personally i feel its a waste of time since I can't do much, especially as a 1st/2nd year student since your knowledge is not there yet, and my university have already arranged for us to get sent for training in a community pharmacy so it's more than enough for me. you would probably spend your days at the side observing or doing admin stuffs and not much clinical work anyways. if you are in UK/Aussie maybe can learn more la since they can let you do filling for scripts.
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QUOTE(dienotherday @ Jun 26 2014, 05:39 PM)
Hi everyone, i am a graduating UCSI pharmacy student, i did all my finals exam and now waiting for the results.

I had my interview in Putrajaya on April and everything went well.
However, just before i am moving back to my hometown, i received an email from my university stating that my SPM Bahasa Melayu did not have credit, which i got D, so they need to me take another Bahasa Kebangsaan Course, if not i won't be able to graduate.

Anyhow, i wont be able to graduate with all my friend in the coming August convocation and i need to take the course alone.

I am a chinese independent school student, i first enter this program using UEC results, which my BM is A, but then my spm results is not so optimistic as my secondary school do not provide tuition or anything to help us on SPM, so i went in blindly 5 years ago.

Now the problem is, even thou i graduate later than my coursemate, will  i still eligible for posting as PRP?

I called every authorities, and they mentioned i will need confirmation of registration from Pharmacy Board and "LANTIKAN" from SPA to decide my posting.

My question is, whether am i eligible to register as a PRP in the Pharmacy Board? (with my current SPM results?)

I checked the SPA requirement for U41 position, it only stated require "LULUS" in BM SPM. So i assume the problem to be worried here is Pharmacy Board registration only.

The SPM BM retake registration is closed for this year, if the Pharmacy Board require my SPM BM to be credit, i will be wasting at least 1 year doing nothing waiting to sit for SPM again.

Can anyone enlighten me on this problem? I do not dare to tell my parents about this, they had pour every dime and penny on me, and i dont want to dissapoint them.
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Hi. It is unfortunate that UCSI is again trying to screw student's life once again by informing them about all these 'bad news' at a much later time.

Well the requirements for you to graduate and what the Pharmacy board may be different. So unfortunately it's best that you retake the the BM course. However there should be no problems getting posting for PRP since it's already stated a lulus in BM is sufficient. Furthermore SPA only needs a pass. Personally my advice is just wait and see lor. Maybe by the time you finished your BM course you still haven't gotten any posting yet.

Good luck!
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QUOTE(dienotherday @ Jun 26 2014, 06:11 PM)
But the registrar office in UCSI informed me that the registration with the Pharmacy Board will require a minimum of credit in BM in SPM.

So eventhou i finished the BM course in the Uni itself and graduated, if the pharmacy board do not register me as a PRP, i wont be able to get posted right?

So that is what i am worried about... Do you remember what are the requirement for a fresh graduate to register with pharmacy board besides having a degree from a recognized instituition? sad.gif
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Yeah i just checked. It seems like you need credit in BM and at least a B for bio/chemistry/physics.


yes unfortunately if the pharmacy board didn't accept you then you can't get posted. These updates were made in 2013. Probably why UCSI didn't inform you earlier.
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QUOTE(dienotherday @ Jun 26 2014, 07:31 PM)
I've been searching through the whole pharmacy board website and i couldn't find anything about it.

All it states is :
1) Fill in the form 1
2) Along with the certified true copy of the degree cerfiticate

That's all
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It was previously in this link http://www.pharmacy.gov.my/v2/ms/entri/sya...ajar-tahun.html

but i can't find the info on the website anymore hmm.gif

please refer to the first post in the topic i already copied and pasted the information of the website long time back and SPM credit is indeed one of the requirements.
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QUOTE(dienotherday @ Jun 28 2014, 12:48 AM)
I do not have access to that page, can you print screen and put it up here please?

I am going to take all my documents and go to the jabatan farmasi and ask them about my case, see whether they could bring it to the board and consider my case as the only thing that obstructing me being posted is the SPM BM. Maybe i could retake SPM next year while being posted, as my request. i hope they could consider my offer thou  sad.gif

I can just pray now.
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STPM
-CGPA 3 dan ke atas termasuk sekurang-kurangnya B dalam subjek Kimia
i) Pemohon warganegara Malaysia wajib lulus Bahasa Malaysia dan Bahasa Inggeris dengan sekurang-kurangnya mendapat gred C dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) atau yang setara

ii) Wajib lulus minimum band 3 dalam Malaysian University English Test (MUET) sebelum pelajar bergraduat



A - LEVEL
3B ATAU 2A1C ATAU 1A1B1C dalam Biologi DAN Kimia DAN Fizik ATAU Matematik dengan sekurang-kurangnya B dalam subjek Kimia

(Dengan merujuk Sistem Skor Universities and Colleges Admission Service

(UCAS) yang dilaksanakan di United Kingdom bagi keputusan A-Level iaitu dengan ketetapan skor A+ = 140, A=120, B= 100 dan C=80)

* Keperluan 3B yang dicadangkan oleh LFM adalah menyamai jumlah skor 300 dengan B untuk matapelajaran Kimia

i) Pemohon warganegara Malaysia wajib lulus Bahasa Malaysia dan Bahasa Inggeris dengan sekurang-kurangnya mendapat gred C dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) atau yang setara



ii) Wajib lulus minimum band 3 dalam Malaysian University English Test (MUET) sebelum pelajar bergraduat


MATRIKULASI ATAU PRA-PENGAJIAN PERUBATAN DAN FARMASI ATAU FOUNDATION DALAM SAINS

Matrikulasi ATAU Pra-Pengajian Farmasi/ Perubatan dengan GPA 3.0 ke atas dengan sekurang - kurangnya B bagi Kimia


ATAU

Foundation dalam Sains dengan GPA 3.5 ke atas dengan sekurang - kurangnya B bagi Kimia

DAN

Program perlu di jalankan dalam tempoh sekurang-kurangnya 1 tahun

i) Pemohon warganegara Malaysia wajib lulus Bahasa Malaysia dan Bahasa Inggeris dengan sekurang-kurangnya mendapat gred C dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) atau yang setara

ii)  Wajib lulus minimum band 3 dalam Malaysian University English Test (MUET) sebelum pelajar bergraduat

iii) Lulus Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) dengan sekurang-kurangnya 5 B dalam Biologi DAN Kimia DAN Fizik DAN Matematik (ATAU Matematik Tambahan) DAN satu subjek lain di peringkat Sijil Persekolahan atau yang setara


DIPLOMA


Diploma Sains (Kimia atau Biologi atau Fizik) CGPA 3.75 dan ke atas termasuk B dalam subjek Kimia

ATAU

Diploma Farmasi CGPA 3.5 dan ke atas


i) Pemohon warganegara Malaysia wajib lulus Bahasa Malaysia dan Bahasa Inggeris dengan sekurang-kurangnya mendapat gred C dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) atau yang setara

ii) Wajib lulus minimum band 3 dalam Malaysian University English Test (MUET) sebelum pelajar bergraduat

iii) Lulus Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) dengan sekurang-kurangnya 5 B dalam Biologi DAN Kimia DAN Fizik DAN Matematik (ATAU Matematik Tambahan) DAN satu subjek lain di peringkat Sijil Persekolahan atau yang setara


IJAZAH PERTAMA DALAM SAINS

Ijazah Pertama dalam Sains CGPA 2.75 dan ke atas

(CGPA 2.75 = Gred C+)

NOTA:

Setiap pelajar perlu mematuhi syarat baru (A) dan syarat tambahan baru (B) (jika ada) seperti di atas sebelum meneruskan pengajian di peringkat ijazah farmasi.


it was like this last time. yeah it's best that you go to the pharmacy board directly.

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