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ALeUNe
post Nov 9 2012, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(stevie @ Nov 9 2012, 04:35 PM)
i've built a working WW barb 55k dps for 10m. lol
IK helm 3m
Shoulder 500k
Chest 250k
Glove 2m
IK belt 120k
Pants 200k
MH 350k
OH 150k
12MS Boots 150k
Ring 1 300k
Ring 2 200k
2x Star Ems 1.4
Amulet - My Old one worth ard 1m

Balance for lower lvl gems.

Working cos i've tried the set on me.
Wait till my friend hits 60 and i'll link the 10m build tongue.gif


Added on November 9, 2012, 4:36 pmbut yeah. as u move up the dps scale. prices go up exponentially smile.gif
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Please share more info on the gears.
It would help our members with limited budget to gear up.
Good job!
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post Nov 10 2012, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(lace @ Nov 10 2012, 02:12 AM)
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/titanlace-1489/
500m
budget
anything i can do to upgrade?
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A quick glance, replace 2 rings + amulet + 2 weapons to have higher DPS & LOH/LS.

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post Nov 10 2012, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(lace @ Nov 10 2012, 02:48 AM)
any suggestion on  wat:
Amu=
ring 1=
ring 2=
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Use this to check your DPS.

Choose any ring/amulet that gives you at least 6K DPS increase.
And choose any weapon that gives you at least 10K DPS increase (replace both of your weapons).

Do not forget your LOH/LS in these gears.
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post Nov 12 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Nov 12 2012, 04:07 PM)
we can, if we found a 2 socket 90%CD manticore
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You need high DPS manticore.
You need a 1.3K DPS manticore with DEX affix + 90% CD + 2 socket.
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post Nov 12 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(KiLLing-z2 @ Nov 12 2012, 04:45 PM)
Any room for improvement? Other than too add in MORE on hp stats biggrin.gif

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/kiyawnz...1/hero/27934519
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17.6K HP... sweat.gif
Is that a correct number? Bnet seems giving wrong number lately.

If it is a true number, it is too low too low... way way too low...
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post Nov 12 2012, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(KiLLing-z2 @ Nov 12 2012, 05:27 PM)
or should i substitute my gem with vit? But i bet i will drop at least 20k hp with that sad.gif
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No, i think you should just change gears.
Just get gears with VIT.

IMO, your chest armor and bracer can be easily replaced.

Next would be your helm (get mempo STR + x% life + socket).
You can get alot of life from your helm.
To recover the lost CC from your helm, you need to replace your amulet and replace it with amulet + cc.

If you have alot of gold to spend, you can get a mempo with CC.
That would cost you 150-250m gold.

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post Nov 13 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Nov 13 2012, 11:18 PM)
can anyone here share some thought regarding monk and  barb , just read this very interesting argument topic ,lol

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7004457726
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This is his profile
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Phaetil...7/hero/21579968

His 22.85 DPS Barb could complete inferno.
But his 147K DPS Monk couldn't complete inferno.
There you have your answer. laugh.gif

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post Nov 14 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(present me @ Nov 13 2012, 11:57 PM)
real original leg for barb  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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That leg has 9% movement speed + Sprint/Like like the Wind.
That's a perfect combo in helping him to complete Inferno. laugh.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(sangtupperware @ Nov 14 2012, 12:08 AM)
i was shock when them saying...monk cant do mp7 or very hard to do mp7 above?! i was wadaa...who are this people?... shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

sry interupting in this site of the world... shocking.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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hahaha... i think these people just created the thread for fun.
That's what they do whenever there is a server maintenance. laugh.gif
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post Nov 14 2012, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Nov 14 2012, 12:33 AM)
Barb sucks!!! BIG TIME!!! monk rulez!!!! muahahha!

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Just kidding about barb sucks things biggrin.gif I don't compare between class... not yet, not until PVP...  brows.gif
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The video is created with a strong monk "accent".

There are many points to point out. But it would be tldr. And it's difficult to do in details since both have different skill set up (especially the passives).
And it's very difficult to explain it in words. This is because it is not just 1+1=2.

Just a few quick ones,
1) Both monk and barb will die if they hit air (as they both, monk and WW-Barb, rely on LOH/LS). WC or OP is the secondary reason to keep barb alive.
Monk can have very fast life recovery with primary skill, i.e. FoT. Barbs have slow life recovery from LOH/LS (using primary skills like Frenzy, bash, cleave).
However, Barbs don't solely rely on primary skill. Barbs rely a lot on double-tornado (sprint + WW).
Let me explain (WW Barbs will understand what I'm going to convey).

WW Barbs suck big time if they use frenzy/bash/cleave to attack (they get killed easily if they use these primary skills at MP9/10). Monk will just do perfectly well with her primary skill (i.e. FoT).
WW Barbs will change into monstrous killing machine when they do double-tornado.
WW Barbs will become a total different killing machine when they are in WoTB.

Both of my monk and barb stack a lot of LOH/LS.
WW Barbs that use primary skill to attack, frenzy/bash/cleave, can be killed by 3-4 arcane.
Monk can stand in 3-4 arcane. But the WW Barb can walk through 6-8 arcane without feeling much pain (use OP/CA).

2) Monk with MoC can indeed kill in shorter time. But the WW Barb can kill in bulk.

3) I find war cry is no longer a must skill for Barb, especially after the nerf.
War cry is not really effective in high MP8/9/10.
For me. the better ones are the overpower and rend.

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QUOTE(present me @ Nov 14 2012, 01:35 AM)
wow fastcow u posted awesome video yo ,i always wont use both character to compare it ,both hav different position skill they ...... thumbup.gif
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Not to forget, Barbs have couple of diversified builds, ranged attacks i.e. weapon throw.

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post Nov 14 2012, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Nov 14 2012, 02:14 AM)
in the video indicated monk probably can have more than 70 types of build shocking.gif  , is it true ?
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Not that I know of.

Tempest rush is considered a different build (just like WW Barb).
But the damage from tempest rush is just too low.
People use it for fast farming.

For other builds, like tanker monk(MoE/MoH/MoR), bell monks, cyclone monks, DPS monk (MoC).
For me, these are just pretty standard skills on monks.
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post Nov 14 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Tiffa96 @ Nov 14 2012, 01:58 PM)
Aleune: im WW barb and using bash..

I have no loh but just have 5.90 lS..
I have no problem with Mp 10..

Are u sure about what the hell are u talking about?
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Try use bash without WW. Yes, don't use WW.
Let 3-4 arcane hit you consecutively.
See if you still stand.

WW+tornado make Barb a killing machine.
WW+tornado+WoTB make barb a better killing machine.
That's what I meant. laugh.gif

Use bash? Just bash in MP10? Hmm... hmm.gif


Added on November 14, 2012, 3:39 pm
QUOTE(raventah @ Nov 14 2012, 01:51 PM)
oh.. i think u said about last evening game right? 3 barb tanking 1 barb throwing...  and u said 3 barb tanking on mp 10 is much die rather than u..

if all using throwing can kill that elite? who's gonna tank?
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WWT Barb do what WW Barb do.
The difference is only the use of weapon throw instead of bash/cleave/frenzy.

I'd say WWT barbs go whirlwinding 90% of their time.

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post Nov 14 2012, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Nov 14 2012, 03:41 PM)
ALeUNe, I've tried to just bash on 1 pack of elite only in mp10 and it's not my barb that is dead so, it's possible.
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Just pure bash? You use rend?

Using primary skills, bash/cleave/frenzy. is too slow to recover life.
We do WW-tornado to recover life fast.
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post Nov 14 2012, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(raventah @ Nov 14 2012, 04:18 PM)
if u solo mp 9-10 with WWT can survive?
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Do this 2 hours to 30 mins ago.
Started with A1 and A2.
I'm going to do A3 after posting this.

Yes, WWT doable solo.

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post Nov 14 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Nov 14 2012, 05:02 PM)
Can share what are the weapons used?
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NV2 @ Act 3 MP10 now. And found a windforce.

I have a normal WWT build.
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post Nov 14 2012, 05:13 PM

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post Nov 14 2012, 05:17 PM

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Errr.... dropped another spirit stone few mins later. Hmmm... sweat.gif


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post Nov 14 2012, 06:07 PM

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Ok, completed A3 key farming.
Forum member Zelmel joined when I was halfway for keywarden.


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post Nov 15 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(OldManChild @ Nov 14 2012, 08:16 PM)
i think can change topic to loot talk, no need discuss bout barb..
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QUOTE(raventah @ Nov 14 2012, 08:20 PM)
if wanna show loot drop on mp 10 other player can do it..
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Show loot drop? It was just something to share. I didn't expect it drop consecutively.
I have no intention to show off.
Most of the loots are crappy anyway.

Anyway, those snapshots just to show you WWT is absolutely doable @ MP10. No pun intended.


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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Nov 15 2012, 08:10 AM)
oOo, my WWT barb still can't survive perhaps need a bul-kathos's warrior blood ...hehehe.
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Your gears are top of top ends. You should be able to do it.
Your DPS/armor/AR/HP are perfectly tweaked.

Did you use -fury weapon throw gears (belt & ring)?
You need these in order to let WT work.

Weapon throw/mighty throw can dish out 169% weapon damage + additional 10% damage from passive no escape.
It has very high damage in general (as compared to primary skills).
It has very high fury generation too.
It is a very good alternative to primary skill like bash.

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post Nov 16 2012, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(MikeX @ Nov 16 2012, 11:47 AM)
I also dont know. Just concentrate on Strength, attack speed and critical hit damage then I got myself life drop from 25k to 12k sad.gif
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Hahaha... this is the best explanation.
Your DPS:HP is 10:1. laugh.gif


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