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ALeUNe
post Nov 30 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(manzelina @ Nov 30 2012, 01:27 PM)
Pro player like u,always play MP10.. Cannot join wooo.. My she-barb will 'kena rogol' by the elite pack.
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No pro... can't do MP10 uber.
they are more pro players here.
we just play play. laugh.gif
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post Dec 3 2012, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Dec 3 2012, 08:53 AM)
with about 100k Dps, does ls trump loh? for ww build

currently 800 loh with about 5% lifesteal from gear... not sure if can drop the loh for more ls
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Based on my build and observation.
For Barb & DH, LS works better.
For monk & witch doctor, LOH works better.

Just a quick reference, you can see the % of life recovery from LOH & LS for both my monk and barb.
Monk
Barb
So, you can see LS gives a better life recovery (generally) for barb.

Note #1 : It depends on the skill you use (i.e. weapon throw, first of thunder, bash etc etc. The scale could be different)


Added on December 3, 2012, 10:20 am
QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Dec 3 2012, 09:51 AM)
wanna ask, if barb stacked IAS but low on CC, what build is viable without investing in gear changing exercise?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/yuhhaur...8/hero/17479897
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CC plays an important role - beside the damage, it is for fury generation.

IAS is very good for HOTA.
You can have a HOTA build barb.


Added on December 3, 2012, 10:21 am
QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 3 2012, 09:59 AM)
sad.gif no one replied..swt
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IMO, you could get better weapons.


Added on December 3, 2012, 10:23 am
QUOTE(amiranna @ Dec 3 2012, 09:47 AM)
i got this for free yesterday  brows.gif
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why you always get good loots?
This ring knows what you need - it gives you + life%. laugh.gif

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post Dec 3 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Dec 3 2012, 11:18 AM)
no, not from loot, i got it from this guy, he traded that ring with my Justice lantern (ias with socket)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/jook-1782/hero/1693464
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I see.
This guy is really crazy. 170K HP with more than 50% block rate... shocking.gif

Btw, how could he equip 2 similar rings? One of rings is the legacy?

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post Dec 3 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Dec 3 2012, 03:13 PM)
hi guys... i would like to ask experience WW barbarian here. To maintain WoTB active, what to do?.. keep pressing Sprint + Battle Rage? i have trouble maintaining WoTB for now (onli last nite I make "chicken" WW barbarian from unsold loot and cheap deal in AH).. any advise very much appreciated.. sorry if this question already asked before..

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sabenar...76/hero/5735829 (skill and gears not updated yet)
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You need to keep generating fury to keep your WoTB active.
1) Keep hitting mobs
2) Keep having crit chance
3) Full set of IK
(etc etc... input if you can think of any)
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post Dec 3 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Dec 3 2012, 03:32 PM)
yeah but i feel 24MS + Sprint still 'slow'..
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oh... it was told barb was the fastest among all class of heroes.
So, this myth has just been busted.
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post Dec 3 2012, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Dec 3 2012, 10:27 PM)
wow Bro. your tips to change war cry with overpower really goooding... I also changed the 3% ls passive with superstition... all of a sudden I'm tanking mp10... smile.gif
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yes, for MP9/10, war cry is not good enough (at least for me).
The defensive buff (of WC) is not good enough to withstand high damage from the mobs in high MP.

Overpower/CA is better.

P/S I found some skills play a very important role in high MP (for barb & monk).

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post Dec 4 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(tygoh @ Dec 4 2012, 08:33 AM)
Does it mean Overpower using Crushing Advanced rune to replace warcry.? What does the effect.
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Yes, you can replace war cry with Overpower/CA.
As i said, it works very good in high MP, particularly in MP9/10.

You won't tell the big difference in low MP (0-8) because war cry can do the job.
But once you play high MP (9/10), you will find war cry can't do the job anymore and overpower/CA works much better.

Note # 1: This is for WW or WWT build. For other build, some people use overpower/killing spree or other skills.
(You need to test and see which skill works for you)

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post Dec 4 2012, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 4 2012, 10:19 AM)
WWT build. <== what is this?
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WW + Weapon Throw
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post Dec 4 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(manzelina @ Dec 4 2012, 12:07 PM)
Just want to ask,
I am not a WW Barb.. just a normal barb without 'pusing-pusing like gasing' and my question:
Is there any way for me to keep my WOTB long enough just like WW barb? i have a problem to keep the WOTB form during battle. i can see some of WW barb can stay very-very-very long.  sweat.gif
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Not only WW barb, even HOTA barb can have long active WoTB.

The key thing is the fury generation.
You must find a way to generate fury as many as you can.

Few things you can do...
1) Mighty weapon on your MH
2) High crit chance
3) Hit as many mobs as you can / hit as fast as you can
4) Full IK set
5) etc etc...
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post Dec 4 2012, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Dec 4 2012, 12:18 PM)
ALeUNe, u believe agent47 ka? he already try all built for barb, he know la.. i always see him in WoTB active longer period than me.  laugh.gif
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Hahaha... I always remember his naked run she-barb.
I always got distracted when she's WWing.... true hot fury generator tongue.gif
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post Dec 4 2012, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Dec 4 2012, 01:00 PM)
Previously i used skorn to build hota but i realize sometimes i cant successfully hitting mobs (something like when i hit them but they hit me 1st )  and then i switched to dual weiled hota , dual weiled is way better than skorn (personal opinion) ,it is because faster attack speed ,higher rate ratio to hit them and dont forget about higher fury generation too  , skorn user can continue to use it if u dont have the similar problem like me , now my att speed is more than 2.2 , during to boss fight i can wotb A-Z  tongue.gif
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What about the damage output between the skorn and dual-wield?
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post Dec 4 2012, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Dec 4 2012, 01:20 PM)
1.26 att speed damage around 1-1.5

2.2 att speed damage around 700k - 1

anyway is hard to compare , that time when im using skorn is long time ago , i can say damage output is similar  biggrin.gif

2handed cant give u 15% att speed which is lose against dual weiled  sad.gif  , and fury generation is slow always hard to wotb from A-Z , that's y  1hand weapon is more expensive than 2handed , dualweil better build diversity too , no offense to anyone using 2handed weapon  biggrin.gif
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Dual wield - more speed, more fury, more damage (in total).

What about the bleeding damage on skorn? When it combo with rend, it can cause high damage too.
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post Dec 4 2012, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(tygoh @ Dec 4 2012, 03:47 PM)
ALeUNe is weapon throw barb master.  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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I learn it from cheer83.
Ricgatebecko has real high damage WT.

I'm just entry level barb as compared to these guys. True story.
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post Dec 4 2012, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(manzelina @ Dec 4 2012, 04:48 PM)
The fallen heroes..
*still remember Aluene dies in festering wood.  tongue.gif first time i play with him and amiranna..
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hahaha.... yeah, died 3-4 consecutively. Lead by example, die 1st laugh.gif


Added on December 4, 2012, 7:58 pm
QUOTE(jerrykhor @ Dec 4 2012, 06:43 PM)
.. u forgot the organizer for that run.. i sad sad.. tongue.gif
must thank you for doing most the damage (Vicson & AleUne both agreed..ahem ahem).. rclxms.gif
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Yes, all the bosses bled like a river.
We hit 1mm, moba hit 5mm.


Added on December 4, 2012, 8:02 pm
QUOTE(Ricgatebecko @ Dec 4 2012, 04:58 PM)
Bro Aleune so good yet so humble thumbup.gif
I simply 'throw to troll' some unsuspecting party members who's not aware of range barb build nia lol tongue.gif
No seriously, throw barb is fun to play rclxm9.gif
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Yes, it is fun to play.
With your DPS + 300th spear, you can dish out 500-900K damage easily.
You really got a powerful build.

I hope i can achieve the same DPS soon...

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post Dec 5 2012, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Dec 5 2012, 10:24 AM)
Tried MP10, kena tar pau, switched back to MP2 ROFL

My Low Paragon Barb

I'm still maining Wizard. For MP10, barb has a different build? I dont remember my barb's attack speed but I think my crit chance is okay? Just bought my pants last night for 5mill bid. gems are my own tho.

how much attack speed on average to tahan?

Thanks sifu.
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MP10?
With your current AR, you need to drop War Cry and replace it with Overpower/CA.
You should have better survivability with overpower/CA.

Based on my build/experience, you need at least 40K of HP.
I increased my HP from 45K to 52K to have better survivability (I mean more comfortable game play).
34K+ HP is certainly not enough.
(For my build, I slot in Amethyst to have 62K HP when I do uber boss @ MP8/9/10)

Beside HP, you need LS (forget about LOH for a moment as I believe you gonna build a 100K DPS barb).
Get at least 5.5% LS (it depends on your defensive attributes, AR & armor & HP).
Keep couple hundreds of LOH as bonus, if you can.
With 5.x% LS, you may need to kite a bit.
(For my build, I need 8%+ to be comfortable WWing in arcane/fire).

Attack speed wise, just stack as many as you can "afford".
It is a good thing to have anyway.





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post Dec 5 2012, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(zonan4 @ Dec 5 2012, 12:18 PM)
I can survive easily on MP0  biggrin.gif no one force me to play higher MP and I'm happy with it... anyone is farming at MP0?
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I tried "farming" 3 days ago @ MP3 (i seldom farm).
I could kill most white mobs by just sprinting. No need WWing.
I lost the concentration & dozed off shortly. True story.

I don't actually go farming/leveling. I just play.
Lowest I go is MP4 (mostly coop).
If it's solo, I play MP7-10 most of the time.


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post Dec 5 2012, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(paranoid @ Dec 5 2012, 03:00 PM)
which barb levels faster?
WW or HoTA barbs?

for WW build, is there a minimum crit chance required?
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WW faster (HOTA can sprint+WW too).
Put on your Amethyst, hellring and signet.

25% CC from gears should be good enough.

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post Dec 6 2012, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(olman @ Dec 6 2012, 11:04 AM)
pvp is quite difficult to implement mang, look at the imbalance among all chars.

nobody wants to get 1 shotted LOL  brows.gif
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Will Barb get frozen by Wiz when it's in Berserker mode?
If Wiz can't freeze it, i think it will be "oops".
If Wiz can freeze it, it will be "oops" too.

Yes, i think pvp is quite difficult to implement.
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post Dec 6 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(olman @ Dec 6 2012, 11:22 AM)
cm/ww wiz only effective in pve mode not pvp

cos nobody will stand and get it by multiple twisties, u should be worrying about range wiz instead .
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It's frozen, can't move. Can't skip the twisters too.
That's what i meant.
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post Dec 6 2012, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Davy123 @ Dec 6 2012, 12:02 PM)
I am pretty sure ww/cm wiz can't lock players in pvp 1v1..in pve, we hav 3s initial freeze on elite, then 2s freeze and then 1.05s freeze throughout the fight..that's the crowd ctrl since 1.05
So it's easy for us wiz to near perma- freeze bcos of this 6s of elite being cacat..by the time 6s is over, thr are alrdy too much twister to keep up cooldowns,loh,apoc,and dps..and elites all gg.com

So thr is no way blizzard gona giv 3s initial freeze on players in pvp..its gona b further nerf i guess  cry.gif
lol bt I tink a pack of ww/cm wiz moving together in pvp is deadly. rclxms.gif
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Imagine a weapon throw barb that slows down the movement of the target by 60%.
2-3 throws will get full fury and turn into berserker.
If Wiz can't freeze Barbs in berserker mode... Wiz will have problem too.
Is Blizz going to nerf WoTB on the barb? Unlikely...

What if there are 2 teams with Wiz & Barb & Monk combo... hmm... world of wars.

It's not going to be easy implement PvP.
Blizz is a real genius if they can implement PvP and achieve balance build for all class of heroes.

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