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 Quad Core phones, is it really a must?, Galaxy S3 pawned by Sony Xperia? No?

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post Sep 11 2012, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 07:03 PM)
not really interested there many more stuff i need to focus in life rather than research on those things. Too technical.

For me is usablity, stability, durability and most important camera.
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Then stop comparing it like 1+1=2. There's more underneath than just basic number.
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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 11 2012, 06:54 PM)
I never JB before, care to explain this?
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Jelly Bean (android 4.1) is a totally new benchmark in the OS although 99% of it looks like ICS (4.0). ppl who says android lags or crashes a lot can now really shut up. it makes a single core old phone like my desire HD responds like a dual core (no shxt, seriously) and is a bit faster (in UI performances and responsiveness) than a galaxy S2 which I compared side by side.

the main problem with android is that most of the big manufacturers uses their own UI (or 'skins' if u prefer that term) like what samsung did with their Touchpiss UI that hogs too much resources and quite heavy, that's why it drags down their phone's performance. and that's why most android phones needs so much processing power (quad core and such) to counter the heavily modified versions of android. this is why iOS doesn't need so many cores to work smoothly, because it's as simple as drinking water, and it's not a full OS, it's just an app launcher, just like what android's app drawer works with rows and rows of icons, when u touch an icon, it just opens an app. android is entirely different, it has a desktop, it has live widgets, it has stock live wallpapers, it can have tons of stuff running in the background simultaneously, and now at last, google solved the problem. even with a full desktop that i machine gunned with live widgets and a full blown live wallpaper, it doesn't even lag a bit.

I'm using vanilla android JB on my DHD, it's the basis of android, pure and simple, that's why i always tell ppl to buy Nexus phones because it's what android is meant to be. ppl who says android is not supported when the phone is old but iOS will still be, but they got it all wrong because by android, most of them meant those that came with modded UI (again - touchpiss). manufacturers need to modify their skins that's why it takes so long and after a while, they got lazy. if u r using vanilla android (Nexus) then this shouldn't be a problem because everything is controlled by google.



QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 07:03 PM)
not really interested there many more stuff i need to focus in life rather than research on those things. Too technical.
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if u don't want to give 2 shxts about this tech stuff, then u shouldn't be posting comments that u posted. try to understand the basics of the stuff because if u don't, all u r saying is considered BS, no offence.
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post Sep 11 2012, 07:36 PM

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I think this stupid topic is the culprit. It was never a which phone pawn which phone based on just the benchmarks used to judge the SoC superiority used in different phones. There's more to it than just some number crunch. Besides those who compare dual core faster than quad core has no idea at all about ARM architecture.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 04:32 PM)
But s3 quad core consider as mobile phone highest processor it's like i7 not i3.

Furthermore this i3, i5 and i7 real computer are customizable and upgradable.

Your s3 is not so you can't really compare.

If lag I can change the processor or add ram.

For me I more concern on resell value.

For desktop since its customizable and upgradable I will get a spec that can last me at least 5 years.
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imo, other aspect to see is the future support. since imo android is power hunger, perhaps quad core will be fully use in the coming new rom (after JB perhaps)?

if put outdated hardware (which work in the current hardware) but future rom/os version? it might not run smoothly/lag.

example: my sis n my officemate mention their iphone 3gs slow after upgrade to the ios 5, while my coz said her bb curve 9300 lag with bb6. afaik all of the has done hard reset.

in the end some revert to old os and some upgrade the phone laugh.gif


Added on September 11, 2012, 8:25 pm
QUOTE(stormlcc @ Sep 11 2012, 07:19 PM)
Jelly Bean (android 4.1) is a totally new benchmark in the OS although 99% of it looks like ICS (4.0).  ppl who says android lags or crashes a lot can now really shut up.  it makes a single core old phone like my desire HD responds like a dual core (no shxt, seriously) and is a bit faster (in UI performances and responsiveness) than a galaxy S2 which I compared side by side. 

the main problem with android is that most of the big manufacturers uses their own UI (or 'skins' if u prefer that term) like what samsung did with their Touchpiss UI that hogs too much resources and quite heavy, that's why it drags down their phone's performance.  and that's why most android phones needs so much processing power (quad core and such) to counter the heavily modified versions of android.  this is why iOS doesn't need so many cores to work smoothly, because it's as simple as drinking water, and it's not a full OS, it's just an app launcher, just like what android's app drawer works with rows and rows of icons, when u touch an icon, it just opens an app.  android is entirely different, it has a desktop, it has live widgets, it has stock live wallpapers, it can have tons of stuff running in the background simultaneously, and now at last, google solved the problem.  even with a full desktop that i machine gunned with live widgets and a full blown live wallpaper, it doesn't even lag a bit.

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+1, based on few sempai using nexus, there is no lag in nexus after upgrade to jb XD


Added on September 11, 2012, 8:26 pm
QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 07:01 PM)
have you notice iphone keyboard are pretty accurate even the screen is small. My HTC One X even so big screen so hard to type further more i am those type of person can type without looking on physical keyboard.

For me why i prefer iphone their updates are amazingly fast and even older generation phones/ipad are still supporting latest games. Like my bro ipad 1 it still can play all the latest games like batman arkham something, asphalt 7, reckless 2 and etc.

When you use even it crashes it restart and once a blue moon might hang. When they have better camera on android ill consider changing.
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have u tried custom rom? afaik most ori rom is a meh doh.gif heck my x8 ori rom is suck, after upgrade to custom rom 2.3-4.0, no lag issue XD


Added on September 11, 2012, 8:28 pm
QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 06:55 PM)
Too many short form too confusing. JB came first for iOS then they use it again for jelly bean haaha..

Android latest OS lai de
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bos, android os version follow alphabet.

Jelly bean imo just coincident with jb laugh.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Sep 11 2012, 07:19 PM)
Jelly Bean (android 4.1) is a totally new benchmark in the OS although 99% of it looks like ICS (4.0).  ppl who says android lags or crashes a lot can now really shut up.  it makes a single core old phone like my desire HD responds like a dual core (no shxt, seriously) and is a bit faster (in UI performances and responsiveness) than a galaxy S2 which I compared side by side. 

the main problem with android is that most of the big manufacturers uses their own UI (or 'skins' if u prefer that term) like what samsung did with their Touchpiss UI that hogs too much resources and quite heavy, that's why it drags down their phone's performance.  and that's why most android phones needs so much processing power (quad core and such) to counter the heavily modified versions of android.  this is why iOS doesn't need so many cores to work smoothly, because it's as simple as drinking water, and it's not a full OS, it's just an app launcher, just like what android's app drawer works with rows and rows of icons, when u touch an icon, it just opens an app.  android is entirely different, it has a desktop, it has live widgets, it has stock live wallpapers, it can have tons of stuff running in the background simultaneously, and now at last, google solved the problem.  even with a full desktop that i machine gunned with live widgets and a full blown live wallpaper, it doesn't even lag a bit.

I'm using vanilla android JB on my DHD, it's the basis of android, pure and simple, that's why i always tell ppl to buy Nexus phones because it's what android is meant to be.  ppl who says android is not supported when the phone is old but iOS will still be, but they got it all wrong because by android, most of them meant those that came with modded UI (again - touchpiss).  manufacturers need to modify their skins that's why it takes so long and after a while, they got lazy.  if u r using vanilla android (Nexus) then this shouldn't be a problem because everything is controlled by google.
if u don't want to give 2 shxts about this tech stuff, then u shouldn't be posting comments that u posted.  try to understand the basics of the stuff because if u don't, all u r saying is considered BS, no offence.
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thumbup.gif D' Best explanation so far I ever read since I start reading comments about best phone/OS thumbup.gif

now I fully understand and I do believe with your assessment rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 06:54 PM)
i was considering android for the next phone after htc one X but safer go back ipjhone. Sadly android camera todate still godlike sux. Hope some manufacturer can turn around android in photo imaging.
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got ar, use nokia n9 and flash JB whistling.gif

QUOTE(stormlcc @ Sep 11 2012, 07:19 PM)
Jelly Bean (android 4.1) is a totally new benchmark in the OS although 99% of it looks like ICS (4.0).  ppl who says android lags or crashes a lot can now really shut up.  it makes a single core old phone like my desire HD responds like a dual core (no shxt, seriously) and is a bit faster (in UI performances and responsiveness) than a galaxy S2 which I compared side by side. 

the main problem with android is that most of the big manufacturers uses their own UI (or 'skins' if u prefer that term) like what samsung did with their Touchpiss UI that hogs too much resources and quite heavy, that's why it drags down their phone's performance.  and that's why most android phones needs so much processing power (quad core and such) to counter the heavily modified versions of android.  this is why iOS doesn't need so many cores to work smoothly, because it's as simple as drinking water, and it's not a full OS, it's just an app launcher, just like what android's app drawer works with rows and rows of icons, when u touch an icon, it just opens an app.  android is entirely different, it has a desktop, it has live widgets, it has stock live wallpapers, it can have tons of stuff running in the background simultaneously, and now at last, google solved the problem.  even with a full desktop that i machine gunned with live widgets and a full blown live wallpaper, it doesn't even lag a bit.

I'm using vanilla android JB on my DHD, it's the basis of android, pure and simple, that's why i always tell ppl to buy Nexus phones because it's what android is meant to be.  ppl who says android is not supported when the phone is old but iOS will still be, but they got it all wrong because by android, most of them meant those that came with modded UI (again - touchpiss).  manufacturers need to modify their skins that's why it takes so long and after a while, they got lazy.  if u r using vanilla android (Nexus) then this shouldn't be a problem because everything is controlled by google.
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from the sentence seems like you very hate samsung touchwiz UI
if you said the touchwiz UI make the phone lag, I can say that htc sense UI more lag
yes is the most beautiful UI in android, but make the phone lag, and use a lot RAM
you should know it since you got HTC DHD
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post Sep 12 2012, 09:40 AM

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anybody can compare s3 and s2 performance? is it vastly different?
must be the same OS (ICS) and everything else the same (stock OS).
and it must be practical usage like opening apps, returning to home, opening multitask panel, etc.
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Benchmark doesn't have a big meaning as compare to your real user experience.
Optimization is important in a phone, if you have a quad core phone, make sure your software knows how to optimize all the cores to bring you the best performance.

I'm eager to see how JB can perform in Galaxy S3, hope Samsung don't mess things up.
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it all runs down to architecture, look at how dual core a15 can trash a quad core a-9 chip
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Sep 11 2012, 11:05 PM)
got ar, use nokia n9 and flash JB whistling.gif
from the sentence seems like you very hate samsung touchwiz UI
if you said the touchwiz UI make the phone lag, I can say that htc sense UI more lag
yes is the most beautiful UI in android, but make the phone lag, and use a lot RAM
you should know it since you got HTC DHD
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yes i hated touchpiss, and sense, and all of the stupid UIs created by manufacturers to put rubbish in them. but i hated touchpiss more because it's the worst of the bunch because it's so fugly. in the end, all the UI from manufacturers are SSDD
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QUOTE(ramz @ Sep 12 2012, 09:40 AM)
anybody can compare s3 and s2 performance? is it vastly different?
must be the same OS (ICS) and everything else the same (stock OS).
and it must be practical usage like opening apps, returning to home, opening multitask panel, etc.
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yes compare b4 sell my s2g :

screen : big diff in terms of clarity, res, brightness,total view info per page. s3 win
battery wise : s2g win then s3 (compare for continuously 5 weekday)
speed : s3 win a lot, screen was vy responsive, quad core mah..... goto app, facebook,email , phone start up faster.



what else u want to compare? once u use s3....u wont use back s2...anyway, my case is i carry nexus and s3 together. cause my case is once i use jb, hard for me go back ics.
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QUOTE(vostro78 @ Sep 12 2012, 11:35 AM)
yes compare b4 sell my s2g :

screen :  big diff  in terms of clarity, res, brightness,total view info per page. s3 win
battery wise :  s2g win then s3 (compare for continuously 5 weekday)
speed  :  s3 win a lot, screen was vy responsive, quad core mah..... goto app, facebook,email , phone start up faster.
what else u want to compare?  once u use s3....u wont use back s2...anyway, my case is i carry nexus and s3 together. cause my case is once i use jb, hard for me go back ics.
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coz i skipped generation from s1 to s3, skipping s2. since i bought a rm2000 phone it should not perform like a 1300rm s2 otherwise why i'm paying the extra dough for? so its good to hear. anyway, the smart stay alone is quite nearly worth the rm700 value, really helps me tremendously! the smart stay works so subtly u don't notice it working until u turn off the feature. i once thought it was useless because in low light it doesn't work properly, so i turned off the feature. but as soon as i turn it off the phone immediately became very annoying to use! so now i know its really a very useful feature although not perfect.
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Obviously this TS is making stupid thread to bash Galaxy S3. No need to pin point out your lover "Sony Xperia V" trumps the Galaxy S3 in performance. HTC One S with Snapdragon S4 processor did that already with the same CPU and GPU as Sony Xperia V using. You must know both are on different ARM architecture, even ARM Holdings already stated A15 architecture will be faster than A9 architecture 40%. So what's the point of opening this thread and compare between two different architecture?

But in terms of screen and graphics, Galaxy S3 with Super AMOLED and Mali GPU trumps your Sony Xperia V TFT LCD screen and Adreno GPU. Super AMOLED is the most advanced display technology for smartphones yet, it drains the least power and have better contrast than TFT LCD.

Lastly, even Galaxy Note 2 released with Jelly Bean out of the box, yet Sony releasing Xperia V in Ice Cream Sandwich, seriously? doh.gif

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*Sony Xperia V is equiped with the same SoC as HTC One S.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/a-benchmark-confi...laxy-note-10-1/

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 11 2012, 07:36 PM)
I think this stupid topic is the culprit. It was never a which phone pawn which phone based on just the benchmarks used to judge the SoC superiority used in different phones. There's more to it than just some number crunch. Besides those who compare dual core faster than quad core has no idea at all about ARM architecture.
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Ya that's right. Besides stupid he is also a fanboy lie to defend something.
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QUOTE(flying spaghetti monster @ Sep 12 2012, 03:44 PM)
Obviously this TS is making stupid thread to bash Galaxy S3. No need to pin point out your lover "Sony Xperia V" trumps the Galaxy S3 in performance. HTC One S with Snapdragon S4 processor did that already with the same CPU and GPU as Sony Xperia V using. You must know both are on different ARM architecture, even ARM Holdings already stated A15 architecture will be faster than A9 architecture 40%. So what's the point of opening this thread and compare between two different architecture?

But in terms of screen and graphics, Galaxy S3 with Super AMOLED and Mali GPU trumps your Sony Xperia V TFT LCD screen and Adreno GPU. Super AMOLED is the most advanced display technology for smartphones yet, it drains the least power and have better contrast than TFT LCD.

Lastly, even Galaxy Note 2 released with Jelly Bean out of the box, yet Sony releasing Xperia V in Ice Cream Sandwich, seriously? doh.gif

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*Sony Xperia V is equiped with the same CPU and GPU as HTC One S.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/a-benchmark-confi...laxy-note-10-1/
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Please stick to topic .
If want to talk about screen please open another tread .
I will gladly show you lots of source that you whole post statement is invalid . wink.gif

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QUOTE(xerox8908 @ Sep 12 2012, 04:26 PM)
Please stick to topic .
If want to talk about screen please open another tread .
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Read my post properly please? doh.gif I was talking about graphics too, even GPU has cores. The chart is about GPU comparison.

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QUOTE(flying spaghetti monster @ Sep 12 2012, 04:28 PM)
Read my post properly please? I was talking about graphics too, the chart is about GPU comparison.
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Please stick to topic .
If want to talk about screen and graphic please open another tread .
I will gladly show you lots of source that you whole post statement is again invalid .
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QUOTE(xerox8908 @ Sep 12 2012, 04:30 PM)
Please stick to topic .
If want to talk about screen and graphic please open another tread .
I will gladly show you lots of source that you whole post statement is again invalid .
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A smartphone SoC includes the integration of CPU and GPU no? They are both couple, and you whine about don't discuss GPU? Again, GPU also have cores. How funny are you. Who the hell you think you are? Ask me to open a new thread then I go and open? Sry i've no interest doing that.

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QUOTE(flying spaghetti monster @ Sep 12 2012, 04:36 PM)
A smartphone SoC includes the integration of CPU and GPU no? They are both couple, and you whine about don't discuss GPU? Again, GPU also have cores. How funny are you. Who the hell you think you are? Ask me to open a new thread then I go and open? Sry i've no interest doing that.
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Then just stick to the topic . If not just back to ur kitchen .
You show no basic knowledge at all therefore i don think its a good idea to correct you as you wont be able to understand also .
Wont bother to reply ur pointless reply anymore as i already replied 3 of them and you still insist to drag the discussion out of the topic .

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QUOTE(xerox8908 @ Sep 12 2012, 07:23 PM)
Then just stick to the topic . If not just back to ur kitchen .
You show no basic knowledge at all therefore i don think its a good idea to correct you as you wont be able to understand also .
Wont bother to reply ur pointless reply anymore as i already replied 3 of them and you still insist to drag the discussion out of the topic .
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I don't undertstand your reply at all, I can discuss whatever i like as long as it's related to the smartphone. Sounds like you so butthurt and wanna restrict people only discuss about CPU. I don't think you so stupid that don't know CPU and GPU are together as one in a smartphone. Wont bother to reply to my pointless reply? You just did. laugh.gif BTW i don't think my post is pointless. Maybe i just met a pure troll.

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