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TSjlim87
post Sep 13 2012, 02:44 AM

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Woman, don't tempt me. Intelligent, driven and headstrong women like yourself are very scary. sebab nanti i terpikat pulak, susah mang. hahahhaha





... ok i'm just going to pretend i didn't say that and quietly exit this thread and lock myself up in a cave. with wifi. bukan plato's punya cave because i pakai lava lamp. icon_idea.gif

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post Sep 13 2012, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(jlim87 @ Sep 12 2012, 05:35 PM)
Yes, but was I blaming him for not choosing me? Lol this is a rant, not a finger pointing game. He has his reasons. Is it hurtful? Yes, a little. But that's life, rejection is a part of it. A part of me is still sore with myself for being taken in in such a manner, for misreading, perhaps, or not being too careful about my emotions. If there's any blame to be made, it should be on myself.
1. The possibility of that happening is there. I will not disagree with that. I like the idea of it being a guideline and not a law. Then again, for me to even FEEL attracted to anyone at all, much less men, for that matter, it requires (and so happens to be) that they are intelligent, smart and funny. So it's not so much as whether I am unwilling to compromise on those traits, but just sharing that, based on *my* experience, I have found myself to be attracted to men who possess such traits and therefore those must be rather important traits to me. Not the other way round.

2. Well, I wasn't, even though I effectively only speak English. I guess you might have it easier in a sense, since you're not bound by silly sentiments like feeling attached to the homeland, lol. There was even a point in time where I told myself that I would never migrate overseas because I wouldn't be able to bear with the assimilation and integration of a foreign culture like myself into theirs, despite not exactly being thrilled about how things work here. But these are issues I will deal with when the time comes for me to deal with. Too early to make any concrete decisions now.

3. okok. I thought you were referring to me. You lah, never say properly.  sweat.gif

4. Actually that kinda happened to me as well. I never thought I'd be making friends with a bunch of extremely extroverted people (who aren't exactly the brightests bulbs in the shed), but I have learnt that there are other things to friendship other than intelligence. Such as being kind, forgiving and open minded enough to accept people for who they are, no matter how 'difficult' or socially inept (people such as... myself). Sure they annoy me sometimes with their trivialities, but I think I am truly fond of them and have grown to really love them for who they are. I also really admire them for their qualities because I wish I could be like them sometimes. But still, there's this thing I felt so direly missing from my social life- an intellectually inclined friend who actually lives near me and with whom I can have great, funny conversations with. And then he arrived into the picture. Maybe in THAT sense one could say I was deprived. Meh. >_>"

Sometimes I wonder if you had actually not just read everything, but thought about the consequences of what I've written. Yes, it is true that he would have expectations of a partner. But to have such a long standing crush on a girl (whom he CLEARLY sees as a mate) and not doing *anything* about it doesn't mean it explains why he won't want to be in a relationship with me. What you're essentially doing is blurring the lines. For one, you are jumping to an absolutist standpoint where you claim that the ONLY reason why he won't want to be with me is because he has other expectations I can't fulfill. That is not necessarily true (although it could!), and that you and some others are claiming that I do not actually see that point. This will be the last time I say this- I am more than well aware of romance and attraction and relationships being a 2 way thing- I thought that it's supposed to be a given. It's an insult to my intelligence that you people keep insisting that I am not aware of that fact and I don't appreciate it. It could be that he still has feelings for his crush, or that he isn't ready to be in a relationship at the moment. Which WOULD explain why he hasn't actually done anything to pursue his crush. Yet, he still wants to engage in some fun on the side. Refer to my response to Drian about blaming. I'm beyond playing the blaming game.
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And it's an insult to our intelligence too, saying that we don't understand what you wrote.

Just because we don't share your viewpoints on certain issues, does not mean we do not understand where you come from. Difference of background and lifestyle could always result in different answers from different individuals.

Tbh, I thought this would be an interesting thing to read, but the more I read, the more I feel like this is a reaction of someone being butthurt they can't get someone they like.

So what if he has a crush and a person he sees fit as his *Mate*? Does not mean he must definitely go after that person. Not saying that that's the only reason, but that is one of the many reasons why he can choose not to be with you at all. I never emphasize on the point that it was the SOLE reason. You should read carefully too, before reprimanding others about what they wrote.

As i said, the problem lies with you and not with the world, nor mankind or Adam, or Eve or any kind of other beings.

QUOTE(SereneAshley @ Sep 12 2012, 06:47 PM)
Oh my, what is up with this person? Going on again and again about the world not rotating around you... So hell bent on telling people that. Must be a massive pet peeve  whistling.gif
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For once, I hate to say this but I honestly think you have a point here.

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post Sep 13 2012, 09:45 AM

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I don't get it. I really don't.

TS, if the guy you are interested in is NOT interested in you, why are you throwing yourself at him?

Let me say it in a different way, if there is a guy who is interested in you and you are NOT interested in him, would it make any difference to your opinion of him if he keeps throwing himself at you?

Would you like, change your mind? Just because he keeps throwing himself at you or pining for you or keeps appearing at your side?

I'll bet you won't even give him the time of day, right?

It's futile. So my best advise is to get over it and move on.
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:45 AM

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Chiahau and shootkk, I just would like to sincerely thank you both for contributing to the thread. I may not agree with what you say, but I do believe in and will defend your right to say it. It is a beautiful day today, let us not mar it with negativity. You both have a great day ahead. Cheers! biggrin.gif

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post Sep 13 2012, 12:25 PM

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As you're ranting for the most part, I won't say much as most of it has been said on both sides of the fence already.

I will have to say this though. If you think intelligent men/women don't exist in Malaysia you need to widen your circle of friends. Sure they're a little harder to find, but mix in the right circles and you'll find them easy enough. Based on my circle of friends, you'll find most of them in the science fields (scientists) or businessmen/entrepreneurs.

A prerequisite regardless of profession/passion would be reading. I've not yet met someone who can talk about philosophy, politics or any subject with any depth; without having a passion for reading.
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post Sep 13 2012, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 13 2012, 12:25 PM)
As you're ranting for the most part, I won't say much as most of it has been said on both sides of the fence already.

I will have to say this though. If you think intelligent men/women don't exist in Malaysia you need to widen your circle of friends. Sure they're a little harder to find, but mix in the right circles and you'll find them easy enough. Based on my circle of friends, you'll find most of them in the science fields (scientists) or businessmen/entrepreneurs.

A prerequisite regardless of profession/passion would be reading. I've not yet met someone who can talk about philosophy, politics or any subject with any depth; without having a passion for reading.
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1. Never said they don't exist. A few exist here in LYN; heck, the guy I was talking about is one of them. Cerebrally inclined individuals exist in all societies, it's just that the probability of them existing is rather low (although it fluctuates depending on what circles one is in- like you mentioned, they tend to be more prevalent in certain fields).

2. That goes without saying because while intelligence is just one factor in how one is able to process things, the knowledge has to come from somewhere too.

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post Sep 13 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(jlim87 @ Sep 13 2012, 12:37 PM)
1. Never said they don't exist. A few exist here in LYN; heck, the guy I was talking about is one of them. Cerebrally inclined individuals exist in all societies, it's just that the probability of them existing is rather low (although it fluctuates depending on what circles one is in- like you mentioned, they tend to be more prevalent in certain fields).

2. That goes without saying because while intelligence is just one factor in how one is able to process things, the knowledge has to come from somewhere too.
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So if you know this, then why are you having problems finding intellectual people to talk to? I would have recommended Real World Issues several years ago, but the quality there has degraded pretty badly.

I also found out that people can be a lot more intellectual than they seem, more often than not you just need to approach them the right way at the right time. Not everyone wants a deep conversation after a tiring day or if they have something else on their mind. Just keep an open-mind and if you can connect their topic of interest to a deeper subject they're more than likely to participate.
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post Sep 13 2012, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Sep 13 2012, 12:56 PM)
So if you know this, then why are you having problems finding intellectual people to talk to? I would have recommended Real World Issues several years ago, but the quality there has degraded pretty badly.

I also found out that people can be a lot more intellectual than they seem, more often than not you just need to approach them the right way at the right time. Not everyone wants a deep conversation after a tiring day or if they have something else on their mind. Just keep an open-mind and if you can connect their topic of interest to a deeper subject they're more than likely to participate.
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1.because my life revolves around school and immediate circle of friends and i detest socializing almost to the point of being anti-social but ill try to do something about that.. used to frequent a game forum, which is where i met a lot of my intellectually inclined, real world friends. I do have such discussions with other friends from Singapore... but they're in Singapore and the ones that actually meet the mark are either gay or unavailable. (yes, totally using the either gay or card now) but no matter, everything else is just excuses. you're right, i need to actively seek out people of the same wavelength. the internet seems like a good place to start. I've tried reaching out to schoolmates (or at least, my cohort) by writing a long essay espousing certain views (cross posted it to my school's various fb pages) but the only replies ive received were along the lines of 'whoa, that's long'. then i stopped trying.

2. you have made a relatively good point there. i will keep that in mind. in the meantime...


I hope everyone has had a great day. Today is such a beautiful day!

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post Sep 13 2012, 10:21 PM

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long essays on a screen are not appealing. split it up. instead of using long paragraphs to stimulate really really short discussions (or none at all), try short paragraphs that stimulate long discussions.
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post Sep 14 2012, 07:36 PM

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so i read the entire thing, perhaps out of boredom or plain curiosity lol. i must apologize prior for the lack of formatting as i key this from a phone.

what is interesting is the usage of "strawman" honestly that's the first time i have seen any user use that term here! at any rate i shall not be a broken record but leave a few words here, which most will be personal opinions; hence please do not be offend.

1. your desire for companionship is indeed noble especiall emphasizing on emotional support. why i bring this up? it is because i'd like to put it across the table that only a guy can provide what you need.

no i am not a homophobe nor mysogynist, but one reason why i state so it is because men better provide emotional support (via listening) because we don't overthink stuff we hear. in this context i am not touching about sexual satusfaction - thereotically that can be attained via fingers.

while still on genitilia, one set is a giver and another.a receiver. my tertiary supporting statement is this: i've had the priviledge of speaking to someone whom was a lesbian for years. she cites that such relationships are not fulfilling. sure as mentioned you may attain some form of sexual satisfaction, but that emotional support which you have expressed, you won't find. (no i don't want to turn this to a homosexual debate either. if you disagree, we shall leave it as that)

2. the second thing i'd want to caution you about is that for now at 24 you may feel the slight 'pressure'? in coupling up. this pressure will not decrease with years. as a matter of fact it /may/ cause you to "snatch the first available" c.f. "beggars can't be choosers".

another analogy which i frequently use is this: if you have been wandering in a desert endlessly for countless of days, the only source of water even though muddy and murky will seem inviting.

i'm sorry i don't have answers for your questions of basically "where have all the good guys gone?" save this: a guy whom reads constanly would more likely be able to hold intellectual conversations and listen to your walls of texts tongue.gif rather than the infamous (TLDR, gerudi, tits or gtfo and who knows what other self-coined jargons)

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