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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V125, stimulus, no stimulus, stimulus...

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post Sep 6 2012, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:32 PM)
PPB got another risk, is that it involved in basic needs(food) businesses that highly depending on government's price control. Therefore its China business is not doing well. Not defensive, if play with rice or sugar etc. basic needs food business. High risk actually, if the government is not yet a mature one.  hmm.gif
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actually if positive on WILMAR, why not bet on WILMAR directly ? betul kah ?

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QUOTE(primepeng @ Sep 6 2012, 04:35 PM)
US futures is moderately green. bullish
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Last time, all overseas market red red time, KLCI still green green even charging all time high.
Now become a reverse trend...
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QUOTE(magika @ Sep 6 2012, 04:29 PM)
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out of jail counter, the director is well known for manipulating own counter.. brows.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 04:41 PM

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this is from wilmar .


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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:32 PM)
PPB got another risk, is that it involved in basic needs(food) businesses that highly depending on government's price control. Therefore its China business is not doing well. Not defensive, if play with rice or sugar etc. basic needs food business. High risk actually, if the government is not yet a mature one.  hmm.gif
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in other words QE3 would be bad for ppb hmm.gif
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omg.. i have only 1 white... 0 green... sad.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(jy1905 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:43 PM)
in other words QE3 would be bad for ppb  hmm.gif
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QE3 may send another inflation to raw materials price and commodities.
So if the company cannot pass the cost to the consumer, then yes, margin may be squeezed.

I do not know palm oil, sugar is a price controlled item in China?
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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:36 PM)
actually if positive on WILMAR,  why not bet on WILMAR directly ? betul kah ?
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Compare to wilmar, PPB business more diversified. And I like its bread business, doing very well actually. In such a short time, now already in profit. biggrin.gif
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Amedia & Ingens never fail to amaze me this few weeks.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 6 2012, 04:46 PM)
QE3 may send another inflation to raw materials price and commodities.
So if the company cannot pass the cost to the consumer, then yes, margin may be squeezed.

I do not know palm oil, sugar is a price controlled item in China?
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AFAIK, the processed cooking oil is an control item in China, i'm not sure about sugar
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 6 2012, 04:46 PM)
QE3 may send another inflation to raw materials price and commodities.
So if the company cannot pass the cost to the consumer, then yes, margin may be squeezed.

I do not know palm oil, sugar is a price controlled item in China?
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if i am not mistaken, wilmar controls 50% of cooking oil market in china
and the price of cooking oil is controlled by gov.. i read an article saying that the china gov issued an official statement to the producers not to increase the price some time ago
and the most recent one the gov only "advise" them not to increase
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yay~! we closed below 1620 support!!!
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QUOTE(mopster @ Sep 6 2012, 04:56 PM)
yay~! we closed below 1620 support!!!
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tmr 1600 then . wub.gif
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QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:57 PM)
tmr 1600 then .  wub.gif
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Hmm, time to get out my FD?
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Hmm, time to get out my FD?
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It took 3 months atleast (ups & down in between) to get a good bargain.
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QUOTE(jy1905 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:52 PM)
if i am not mistaken, wilmar controls 50% of cooking oil market in china
and the price of cooking oil is controlled by gov.. i read an article saying that the china gov issued an official statement to the producers not to increase the price some time ago
and the most recent one the gov only "advise" them not to increase
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To do business in China sometime you have to take serious consideration on government advice... that's why Wilmar is losing money on the oil seed crunching business in China, that had been drag for some time liao, every now and then bottom line also get a hit on that and there is no visible solution on the horizon, investor losing confident on the counter, even though the CEO everyday drum up the business, unless one fine day China government pity them, else they might going like that forever... sound stupid? But seems like that's the real situation there... Also Wilmar is worst among oil seed cruncher in China, then seems to be buying expensive every round, whereas others like Golden Agri & Indofood seems to have better timing in buying their feedstock... hmm.gif

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