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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V125, stimulus, no stimulus, stimulus...

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yhtan
post Sep 13 2012, 04:21 PM

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Is been quite some time i never seen a CI stock conquer no.1 volume laugh.gif

Airasia waterfall from 3.5 to 2.9, EPF is the invisible hand? hmm.gif
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post Sep 14 2012, 09:22 AM

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Helicopter Ben is back sweat.gif

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post Sep 14 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 14 2012, 09:34 AM)
He's not flying helicopter anymore.. he's in flying jet.. dumping money!

QE3.xxx is going to be a HUGE MONSTER!!

US 40bln/month and in 6-7 months time, that amount of money could buy all of MALAYSIA for entire year!
Watch out!!  Inflation is going to those poor folks!  wink.gif
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Uncle ben conspiracy is to make the bubble bigger in Asia country/emerging market, just don't know when it will burst sweat.gif
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post Sep 18 2012, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Eugene91 @ Sep 17 2012, 11:08 PM)
There's this seminar happening in Miri for RM1899 by Leong Wei Ping (Trading Excellence)
Info:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I wonder if it's advisable? (as in to 'invest' RM1899 to gain such knowledge within 4 days or rather use the RM1899 in my portfolio and learn more via Google)  hmm.gif
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Consider reasonable price for me, there is a seminar involved in "value investing" and cost close to RM5k for 4 days seminar sweat.gif
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post Sep 18 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Sep 18 2012, 10:59 AM)
No harm if they can locate " valued stock"  like Amedia, then u make back liao  laugh.gif
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Yeah biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Boon3 @ Sep 18 2012, 11:00 AM)
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You too good la. No need to spend such money. In fact you should be teaching. tongue.gif

Mr. Tan, may I know what is 'value investing'?
My free class start now.  laugh.gif

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Ah boon gor, i'm still in learning stage, there are plenty of people above me tongue.gif

Value investing = Fundamental analysis

They change the wording to make it more attractive laugh.gif Can i join your class? tongue.gif

U can google search the seminar "The millionaire investing program" by Ken Chee, i went for the briefing seminar organized by CIMB last 2 weeks and personally think that the fee is a bit steep for wage earner like me sweat.gif

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post Sep 18 2012, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Sep 18 2012, 11:15 AM)
In Bolehland, I do not think actually count on Fundamentals alone.

Branding and packing are imp, like KLCC and Kassets ( repackaging  ) . Astro and Maxis more examples.

Whether investors like yr products ( like Iphones ) then they buy lah, at PE 100x also never mind one.
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And also connection to political is important for most of Asia country.

I haven't read through the details of recent QE3, my personally opinion is the US Fed trying to bring back their Real Estate, i might be wrong hmm.gif
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post Sep 18 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Sep 18 2012, 11:24 AM)
Kena Tai Chi pulak!

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Ken Chee's website: http://www.millionaireinvestor.asia/founders.html
His partner, Clive, learned from Curtis Montgomery. This kwai lou very the geng! Wrote investing book based on SunTzu teachings!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

Yeah, one of the thing Ken Chee teaches is getting passive incomes from dividends.
Which as you know, in my opinion, is badly twisted here.
People forget that the ability to pay dividends comes from a company's earnings.
When the company's earnings starts to decline, dividend will start to decline.
Of course, a company, like Media Chinese has demonstrated, they can bend the rules by borrowing to pay dividends. laugh.gif
Which dividend payout is sustainable, is common sense hor.

Then there are some who get the dividends but is offset by the huge decline in share price but because everyone claims they are making big money from dividends, these people will just keep quiet. Frustrated by how their dividends is vomited out by the sharp decline in share price.

Hehe.. value investing = fundamental analysis meh?
This website says different: http://www.buffettsecrets.com/techniques.htm
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I think it depends on each sector of business for seeking in growth, for the company involved in saturated market, they have to be innovative or provide value added service to increase its earning, so company management is the key point.

But then i still don't understand why Digi and Maxis keep chasing high while there is so many competitors in the market rclxub.gif I see declining in data charging rate since Umobile and Digi started the price war sweat.gif

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post Sep 18 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Sep 18 2012, 11:47 AM)
I think Digi is still deem very good for investors who pay attentions to cash flows, with their non-cash items is as much as their PBT. This ensurse the investors that despite their 'apparent high earnings valuations', their dividend payout is sustainable for the long run.
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I should call u Sifu biggrin.gif

Will look into its financial report when i'm free
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post Sep 18 2012, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Sep 18 2012, 11:59 AM)
You can see from the first two lines of Digi cash flow.

I don't want sifu lah. People being called sifu are almost near death and cannot have sex lagi. laugh.gif
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Most of it derived from depreciation RM666mil, the cash flow from earning is just enough for dividend payout (if take out the drawdown of loan RM500mil). So my guess dividend for the future quarter/year is highly depending on increase of earning


Added on September 18, 2012, 12:29 pm
QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 18 2012, 12:22 PM)
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i dont mind to teach u wor.. duno when u free to discuss discuss  blush.gif

I only specialized in Japanese candlestick, MA, MACD, Stochastic only...
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Can teach me? tongue.gif

I only know RSI is to see oversell or overbuy laugh.gif

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post Sep 19 2012, 09:20 AM

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Sold my Panamy and switch to Harta
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post Sep 19 2012, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Sep 19 2012, 09:23 AM)
hmm.gif Harta is glove right?
QE3 may not good for glove
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I believe Nitrile glove will not have much negative as Rubber glove icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 20 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 20 2012, 09:18 AM)
why you want to buy AirAsia while you have safer stock like MAS? tongue.gif
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u need east wind and west wind to blow MAS up tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 20 2012, 10:35 AM)
Cherroy, I can't seems to comprehend why we will have inflation, if our money is growing stronger? For the export stuff, I agree, but for inflation, by right we should not be suffering at all, am I right?  hmm.gif
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Inflation is a chain effect, everybody want a raise of price to maintain/increase their earning.

Let say Coal price went up, TNB raise electricity price, Restaurant incur higher cost, transfer the cost to consumer, end up all normal citizen suffer the most sweat.gif
The price does not increase in a huge percentage unless huge demand or there is speculation done by somebody, this is the vicious cycle of QE

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Sep 20 2012, 02:46 PM)
i think everyone will receive or maybe new registered voters only.

i receive it too. and the content is in chinese and i cant read chinese. im chinese and they assume by sending me a chinese written letter they will gain my vote. looks like its strategy backfire laugh.gif
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From MCA?
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post Sep 20 2012, 02:56 PM

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Massive selldown, most probably by local institution hmm.gif
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post Sep 20 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Sep 20 2012, 02:49 PM)
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Added on September 20, 2012, 2:51 pmdont think so. whole thing is in chinese.

the only think i can understand is where my voting area. also there is jib kor face on the bottom of the letter. my gf and i receive it too
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Got his face some more laugh.gif

QUOTE(CP88 @ Sep 20 2012, 02:58 PM)
I thought local institution want to make it nice before the pre-GE.  cool2.gif
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create fear to public? tongue.gif

QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 20 2012, 02:58 PM)
China down 2%, HK down 1%. So this selldown is China PMI thing, not our GE thing.  hmm.gif
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So this is the first time our market follow the global trend? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 20 2012, 03:10 PM)
I've seen 1000 counters in red, probably less than 30 counters in green, you seesn before? brows.gif
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ahh, that was back in last year when S&P downgraded US treasury bond to AA+

That day green counter was less 30 sweat.gif Index lausai all the way to 1400+
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QUOTE(primepeng @ Sep 20 2012, 03:29 PM)
never sell until that happens again.
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U will not able to predict what outcome when Black Swan appear whistling.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Sep 20 2012, 03:38 PM)
Hopefully good... sweat.gif


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back to 700 pts?  sweat.gif
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it would not create massive damage as financial crisis, i would say it is because of certain unpredictable event happen, then a certain group of people or investor start to panic, cash out its equity holding and cause massive selldown.

Eg, is Japan Tsunami heavily affect our country's economic? wink.gif

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Sep 20 2012, 08:28 PM)
I talk like MCA people.
Huh?
Why be so immature and drag politics into this?

Stock talk also can turn into politic talk?
I am very sure that I have not mention any politics in this forum. I don't because I know there will be some who are too immature to handle those discussions. You have utterly no right to make such a statement.

You must hate people complaining SC for "doing nothing on insider trading and no-action after UMA calls"

Your original statement which I highlighted in BOLD.
Quote: "Did our SC ever filed to sue anyone for insider trading? Ever? I don't know. "
Malu lah.
I use Malay cos my English is badder than yours and I cannot spell embarrassment. Sorry.
You made a bad statement. Your ownself said, you don't know.
If you don't know, then don't make such a statement!
It's incorrect!
Malu because in ToDAY's newspaper, SC has a lawsuit against a lawyer for insider trading?
Malu because I highlighted this to correct your statement?
If I hated people for complaining against SC, why would I even highlight and educate you with today's newspaper link?  doh.gif

Yes, you sure can condemn SC for taking so long to file charge for a case that happened very long ago and you can also condemn the percentage of cases filed for insider trading but for the issue of SC ever filing a lawsuit against anyone for insider trading, try to keep up-to-date by reading more news. Know your own news and facts first before you make an accusation.


Investing
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All the 'investing' issues I have talked about on certain companies and sector, I shared exactly with facts and data why I don't like.
I dislike REITS. I explained one time too many in detail.
I talked about FimaCorp.
I explained in detail the issues against it.
I talked about Plentitude.
I explained in detail why I believe the company is too conservative for its own good.
I talked many times on Panamy.
I explained why the stock is way over-rated and explained why not to expect the special dividends.
It's not as if I let go wind from my behind.  doh.gif

Well it's ok for you to dislike me for pointing out all those weakness/issues that apparently you do not like to hear. smile.gif

you are (obviously) earning money by these sort of trading from the innocent and poor newbies.?  doh.gif
I made money via insider trading?
What the hell!
That is so bloody moronic!
Look, I only highlighted and corrected you by posting a link.
This is only an open forum.
Everyone will disagree one time or another.
Sarcastic remarks is a norm.
Do you need to go such an extent by making such a moronic statement?
If you do not have any proof, watch what you accuse me of.

The more people have 'investment' in mind, the worst for you?

Are you really that immature?  doh.gif

And I wish the stock market environment could be more healthy, and less newbies losing money by establishing heavily gambler-like mindset which you are promoting

Care to give the exact proof? Do not simply accuse if you do not have proof.
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Boon3, please stay calm and let's make a full stop icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(vinvin1997 @ Sep 20 2012, 09:53 PM)
OI BOON , DIAM LA !! BISING BISING ONLY !!
MALU MALU MALU !!  vmad.gif  mad.gif
NEWBIE WANNA TEACH OLD BIRD !! U INGAT U SIAPA !!
cant be more agreed! thanks for voicing out..
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just open a new account just to bash somebody? stand up like a man!

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