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post Sep 6 2012, 03:41 PM

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i dont know why but i somehow have some feeling that this is all going to be related to the god anytime soon biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Sep 6 2012, 03:41 PM)
i dont know why but i somehow have some feeling that this is all going to be related to the god anytime soon biggrin.gif
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Why? Are they afraid that alien is our creator like some hybrid experiment? Since human can create liger & tiglon, not impossible that we too are created the same way. So the possibility is there except its a bit difficult to swallow such a fact if found to be true and they were preaching alien almighty all along. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 6 2012, 04:32 PM)
Why? Are they afraid that alien is our creator like some hybrid experiment? Since human can create liger & tiglon, not impossible that we too are created the same way. So the possibility is there except its a bit difficult to swallow such a fact if found to be true and they were preaching alien almighty all along. tongue.gif
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i wonder how would they react to that... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:35 PM)
i wonder how would they react to that... laugh.gif
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The impression of end of the world theories are all translated as physical destruction which is rather direct, if god / creator come back to Earth in the form of a more advanced being, it too is end of the world since many societies are build on religion and why would they come back to shock us? To end dispute war and unite human or to conquer?

This led to the movie "the day the earth stood still".
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post Sep 6 2012, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 6 2012, 10:31 AM)
The fastest way is to show there's a constant attempt in developing and improving a technology. I am going to show some pyramid with my limited knowledge but bear with me

1. Pyramid of Djoser one of the oldest large size monument found. There were earlier smaller but similar monuments before. Interestingly there is a monument that may have preceded it before; Mastabet el-Fara'un

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2. Bent Pyramid- seen as an attempt to build a smooth-side pyramid that went wrong. It has been suggested that due to the steepness of the original angle of inclination the structure may have begun to show signs of instability during construction, forcing the builders to adopt a shallower angle to avert the structure's collapse

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3. Red Pyramid- this was build around the same time with Bent Pyramid and Meidum with a close proximity. This pyramid have been largely successful, learning lessons from the earlier 2 pyramids mentioned.

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4. Giza- the most successful and largest of all pyramid, shows the rewards of long time experimenting and study

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There are actually many more examples. That's why while I think they maybe Alien in this universe, I refute the notion that Alien have anything to do with human civilization progress. Why can't human achieve great things without the help of Aliens?

ps- Aliens is understood as Extra-Terrestrial.
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I read from a book that piramid couldnt be done by using the technology back in those days. It mention about the top sharp angle which is exactly 90 degree which couldnt be accurately be obtained using technology based in those days.


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QUOTE(peace230 @ Sep 6 2012, 01:51 PM)
Ancient Pyramind is the proof of alien interver in earth? Why? bcos ancient ppl not smart enough to build the pyramid?

Unexplainable; how they gonna cut the rock, how they measure the size, How the move the rock to up site?

With the help of Alien, all can be achieved.

Oh, like that lah, so must be alien help them to build lo.
How to help them? Pinjam a laser gun to cut the rock, helicopter to hange the rock up, robot to move the rock?

Or just send the idea of pyramid architect to the ppl mind, so they build by their own?

Or once upon time, alien did live in earth as a place for resort?
Who is alien? Where it come from? how it look like? Wat make u believing in aliens???

Perhap, WE R THE ALIEN.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Something imposible is just the angle which is 90 degree.

Sometimes come to think of i dont think we are the only planet that have life living on it. The universe is so big and there might be creature living in other planet.

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QUOTE(lunarwolf @ Sep 6 2012, 07:54 PM)
I read from a book that piramid couldnt be done by using the technology back in those days. It mention about the top sharp angle which is exactly 90 degree which couldnt be accurately be obtained using technology based in those days.


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Something imposible is just the angle which is 90 degree.

Sometimes come to think of i dont think we are the only planet that have life living on it. The universe is so big and there might be creature living in other planet.
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If so, why the alien left and why they came in the first place?

- They try to colonize Earth enslaving human but we become more intelligent and rebelled.

- They made human here then off to another planet but leave traces that indicate they will be back.


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post Sep 6 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 6 2012, 09:54 PM)
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If so, why the alien left and why they came in the first place?

- They try to colonize Earth enslaving human but we become more intelligent and rebelled.

- They made human here then off to another planet but leave traces that indicate they will be back.
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Of course we wouldnt know what they are thinking... maybe is like something we left a footprint of the moon but we are not actually staying on the moon?
Why we go to moon in the first place?

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QUOTE(lunarwolf @ Sep 6 2012, 10:45 PM)
Of course we wouldnt know what they are thinking... maybe is like something we left a footprint of the moon but we are not actually staying on the moon?
Why we go to moon in the first place?
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Going to a planet and cast influence to the living things is not the same as leaving foot print on a dead planet, if we know there are Martians and much primitive than us, why do you think we make contact? Invasion for resources just like Columbus, that is why after ET, all other alien movies are hostile.

If the Moon are found to have usable resources, human already build colony there and if alien were chased out is because something make them abandon this planet but with high precision stone craft and celestial like evidence on top of end of the world prophecies is spooky. I read about phenomenon that lead to a changes rather than destruction.

This person was studied by CIA, he is famous in the Western society.
[url=http://site.uri-geller.com/11_11[/url]

The subject is number, I know its like nonsense and this person dedicated his entire life doing the research since 1968.
http://www.greatdreams.com/radio/ryan/1111/ryan1111.htm

Why am I interested in this subject? I see the digital clock at 11:11, 2:22, 3:33... almost once everyday since last year and before that was occasionally. In facebook , this one is from a local DJ radio 988:
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post Sep 7 2012, 12:27 AM

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Let's take the case of Stonehenge

Radiocarbon dating indicated that the monument was erected or built between (3100-1600) BC.

Were the barbarians or natives (not the Celts) then capable of such a monumental task?

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Or were they aliens (if not ET what other civilization) footprints left behind?
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 7 2012, 12:27 AM)
Let's take the case of Stonehenge

Radiocarbon dating indicated that the monument was erected or built between (3100-1600) BC.

Were the barbarians  or natives (not the Celts) then capable of such a monumental task?

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Or were they aliens (if not ET what other civilization)  footprints left behind?
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Stonehenge is one of the weirdest as how it's been constructed.
However, the most puzzling site are:
1) Nasca Lines http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_1.htm
How on earth the native can draw such a big line and yet it make sense when somebody travel by air that look at the shape?
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2) Pumapunku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
How on earth the native can cut the stone with such precision? that even today technological have difficulty to craft it out
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post Sep 7 2012, 04:03 AM

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Why you guys commenting with questions? What is there to discuss without creative input?
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post Sep 7 2012, 04:15 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 7 2012, 04:03 AM)
Why you guys commenting with questions? hmm.gif

What is there to discuss without creative input? doh.gif 
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We still couldn't explain fully how the pyramids could be be built & why for. There is no written history or engineering blueprints.

In the case of Stonehenge we don't expect the natives or barbarians then to have the tools , machinery to erect such a monument. Do we?
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Sep 7 2012, 12:27 AM)
Let's take the case of Stonehenge

Radiocarbon dating indicated that the monument was erected or built between (3100-1600) BC.

Were the barbarians  or natives (not the Celts) then capable of such a monumental task?

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Or were they aliens (if not ET what other civilization)  footprints left behind?
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Stonehenge seems somewhat low-tech to have been constructed by space faring ETs.


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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 7 2012, 01:09 AM)
Stonehenge is one of the weirdest as how it's been constructed.
However, the most puzzling site are:
1) Nasca Lines http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_1.htm
How on earth the native can draw such a big line and yet it make sense when somebody travel by air that look at the shape?
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Don't now. But "ETs did it" is an even weirder explanation. Especially considering how the lines are made. By painstakingly removing red pebbles to reveal the white sands underneath. Must have taken a very long time. I just can't see ETs spending all the time doing this. Don't they have anything better to do? When the Americans went to the moon, did they spend years carefully drawing lines on the ground?

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2) Pumapunku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
How on earth the native can cut the stone with such precision? that even today technological have difficulty to craft it out
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Slowly and carefully. Stone carving have been done for a very long time. If you can carve a statue, you can carve a block with a flat surface.


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QUOTE(nitr0bacter @ Sep 6 2012, 03:05 PM)
i have read something like this in New Scientist. Our DNA consists of introns and exons. exons contain all the information needed to code for all our proteins, whereas introns are just jumbled up sequences which code for nothing, in other words they are useless. the question is why are they there. so one theory is aliens inserted these sequences as  some sort of secret message or something.
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Alternatively, they are proof of evolution, as opposed of ID.

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post Sep 7 2012, 08:35 AM

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This ancient alien stuff sounds nothing more than lazy research at work. I can't figure out how they did it even though I have all kind of technology at my disposal but some yokel in the past managed to do all these amazing stuff using simple tools. Either they are smarter than me(the horrors...) or they had help from someone else(aliens!!!!).


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QUOTE(nitr0bacter @ Sep 6 2012, 03:05 PM)
i have read something like this in New Scientist. Our DNA consists of introns and exons. exons contain all the information needed to code for all our proteins, whereas introns are just jumbled up sequences which code for nothing, in other words they are useless. the question is why are they there. so one theory is aliens inserted these sequences as  some sort of secret message or something.
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These so called junk DNA actually does something.

"Junk" DNA Holds Clues to Common Diseases
]http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=junk-dna-encode

Information on "junk" DNA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noncoding_DNA

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QUOTE(lunarwolf @ Sep 6 2012, 07:54 PM)
I read from a book that piramid couldnt be done by using the technology back in those days. It mention about the top sharp angle which is exactly 90 degree which couldnt be accurately be obtained using technology based in those days.


Added on September 6, 2012, 7:57 pm

Something imposible is just the angle which is 90 degree.

Sometimes come to think of i dont think we are the only planet that have life living on it. The universe is so big and there might be creature living in other planet.
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We do not know what sort of technique they used during that time because the methods are lost to us. However, this does not mean that humans are incapable of achievements. Moreover, we still do not know the extend of their knowledge in architecture. Also, there were numerous attempts in building pyramids showing that they were trying new ideas from time to time(for example the Bent pyramid and the red pyramid). I think it is a pity not giving the ancient Egyptians the credit they deserve for building such magnificent structures.
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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 7 2012, 09:19 AM)
We do not know what sort of technique they used during that time because the methods are lost to us. However, this does not mean that humans are incapable of achievements. Moreover, we still do not know the extend of their knowledge in architecture. Also, there were numerous attempts in building pyramids showing that they were trying new ideas from time to time(for example the Bent pyramid and the red pyramid). I think it is a pity not giving the ancient Egyptians the credit they deserve for building such magnificent structures.
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You based on an assumption that Egyptian definitely build it because it's located at Egypt.
Is it true? Nobody knows as it's full of mystery.

At the moment, there is no successful attempt to build a pyramid using current technological.
Also, Pumapunku site is the most interesting because scientist has confirm that the stone cutting is similar to diamond cutting. Many people speculate that ancient peoples uses stone but that method would not shape a nice cutting stone.

Bottom line, we can only guess all the ancient mega structures is build with alien technology.
If use metal, the metal will rot through time
If use plastic, the plastic is not strong enough to build structures
If use organics, the substance can't withstand strong weathers
however using stone, it can last a very very long time

The question that we are asking about ancient civilization is similar to us asking "Can monkey build a a simple wooden house?" icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 7 2012, 10:48 AM)
You based on an assumption that Egyptian definitely build it because it's located at Egypt.
Is it true? Nobody knows as it's full of mystery.
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What mystery are you talking about? Please list them out.

QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 7 2012, 10:48 AM)
At the moment, there is no successful attempt to build a pyramid using current technological.
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Are you willing to provide the materials and land to build a pyramid? These are massive structures that require large areas of land, a lot of building materials and labor to build. Who would want to build one just to test out a theory?

Did anyone try build an actual pyramid recently?

QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 7 2012, 10:48 AM)
Also, Pumapunku site is the most interesting because scientist has confirm that the stone cutting is similar to diamond cutting. Many people speculate that ancient peoples uses stone but that method would not shape a nice cutting stone.

Bottom line, we can only guess all the ancient mega structures is build with alien technology.
If use metal, the metal will rot through time
If use plastic, the plastic is not strong enough to build structures
If use organics, the substance can't withstand strong weathers
however using stone, it can last a very very long time
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Why are aliens building tombs for Egyptian Pharoahs? What would they get out of it?

QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 7 2012, 10:48 AM)
The question that we are asking about ancient civilization is similar to us asking "Can monkey build a a simple wooden house?"  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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No, it sounds more like a proclamation of superiority and arrogance than anything else. If we can't figure it out, they should not have either.
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 7 2012, 10:48 AM)
You based on an assumption that Egyptian definitely build it because it's located at Egypt.
Is it true? Nobody knows as it's full of mystery.

At the moment, there is no successful attempt to build a pyramid using current technological.
Also, Pumapunku site is the most interesting because scientist has confirm that the stone cutting is similar to diamond cutting. Many people speculate that ancient peoples uses stone but that method would not shape a nice cutting stone.

Bottom line, we can only guess all the ancient mega structures is build with alien technology.
If use metal, the metal will rot through time
If use plastic, the plastic is not strong enough to build structures
If use organics, the substance can't withstand strong weathers
however using stone, it can last a very very long time

The question that we are asking about ancient civilization is similar to us asking "Can monkey build a a simple wooden house?"  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Because there is no need for one? Currently there are much simpler ways to construct large monuments. Why follow the hard way?

There are many pyramids around the world(in different countries) and each of them are years apart. This shows that pyramid building is not unique to the Egyptians. Also, if the aliens did descent to show how pyramids were build, then these different pyramids from different part of the world would have been of around the same time but this is not the case when the carbon dating for all of the pyramids in the world are many years apart.

Pumapunku does not prove anything of what you said about aliens. Like I explained earlier, the technique is lost to us. It does not explicitly shows there is alien interference. At the moment, I can only see whatever you think that seems impossible to build is of alien tech. Didn't you consider that it is only the technology or the skills that were just lost to us?
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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 7 2012, 11:42 AM)
Because there is no need for one? Currently there are much simpler ways to construct large monuments. Why follow the hard way?

There are many pyramids around the world(in different countries)  and each of them are years apart. This shows that pyramid building is not unique to the Egyptians. Also, if the aliens did descent to show how pyramids were build, then these different pyramids from different part of the world would have been of around the same time but this is not the case when the carbon dating for all of the pyramids in the world are many years apart.

Pumapunku does not prove anything of what you said about aliens. Like I explained earlier, the technique is lost to us. It does not explicitly shows there is alien interference. At the moment, I can only see whatever you think that seems impossible to build is of alien tech. Didn't you consider that it is only the technology or the skills that were just lost to us?
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From Yahoo answer:
The stone material would have to have either Carbon in its structure (like a Carbonate) or coated with ash or soot containing Carbon to be dated.

With Stonehenge, it is not the age of the stone which is important, but the age of the site. Burnt wood and other means have been used to date the structure.

Carbon 14 appies only to organic material, it had to once been living tissue.
As for Stonehenge, subtle clues like erosion of exposed surfaces can be used, although not terribly accurate. Usually, non-organic material can be dated by association with organic artifacts found nearby, like a piece of wood that was used to raise the stones, which is the case for some pillars left in ground. Also, any digging around the site to allow the stones to be moved around would disturb the top soil to a certain depth, and only the layers of top soil that were added afterwards would match those of the undisturbed terrain, providing clues to the age of the site.

The attached link will provide more info.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 7 2012, 11:42 AM)
Because there is no need for one? Currently there are much simpler ways to construct large monuments. Why follow the hard way?

There are many pyramids around the world(in different countries)  and each of them are years apart. This shows that pyramid building is not unique to the Egyptians. Also, if the aliens did descent to show how pyramids were build, then these different pyramids from different part of the world would have been of around the same time but this is not the case when the carbon dating for all of the pyramids in the world are many years apart.

Pumapunku does not prove anything of what you said about aliens. Like I explained earlier, the technique is lost to us. It does not explicitly shows there is alien interference. At the moment, I can only see whatever you think that seems impossible to build is of alien tech. Didn't you consider that it is only the technology or the skills that were just lost to us?
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As to your statement, it's also possible that our ancestor was once a very advanced civilization that can travel land, air, sea or perhaps space till the technological and skills was lost through generations. hmm.gif hmm.gif

That's the interesting part on the pyramids especially it's actually build up in many places around earth. Till now, there is no proof what the pyramids is used for. Let's think this way, a tribe people comes across the land that has pyramid but was abandoned by whoever civilization. Would the tribe people leave? or uses the structure for their own use? So, the real purpose of pyramid is depends on which tribe use it for.

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