sorry TS I couldnt resist,


On topic however, I think the idea of alien intervention with human development is unfounded. Why? The very notion of that is a mockery to the progress we as human have come so far.

I remember watching a documentary about pyramids and atlantis(while provide when I found the name). In that documentary, they show different kind of pyramids where some were successful while some were abandoned half way. These pyramids show the Egyptians slowly build these pyramids one at a time while learning from their mistakes and experiment new ideas of building pyramids. By taking baby steps, they were finally successful building pyramids such as those at Giza. Why must it be aliens? Are humans are so devoid of creative process?

Believing that aliens exist is one thing. Believing that alien had a hand in our technology process is a different thing all together.

There has been no concrete proof to suggest that aliens interfered with our civilization. With no such proof, it is just pseudo-history. However, there is existing proof of human achieving similar feats by constant experimenting, learning mistakes and improvements of older designs and most importantly creative thought and thinking being penned in literature.

I am sorry but there are more solid proof that humans achieving these progress without some alien help.

The fastest way is to show there's a constant attempt in developing and improving a technology. I am going to show some pyramid with my limited knowledge but bear with me

1. Pyramid of Djoser one of the oldest large size monument found. There were earlier smaller but similar monuments before. Interestingly there is a monument that may have preceded it before; Mastabet el-Fara'un



2. Bent Pyramid- seen as an attempt to build a smooth-side pyramid that went wrong. It has been suggested that due to the steepness of the original angle of inclination the structure may have begun to show signs of instability during construction, forcing the builders to adopt a shallower angle to avert the structure's collapse



3. Red Pyramid- this was build around the same time with Bent Pyramid and Meidum with a close proximity. This pyramid have been largely successful, learning lessons from the earlier 2 pyramids mentioned.



4. Giza- the most successful and largest of all pyramid, shows the rewards of long time experimenting and study




There are actually many more examples. That's why while I think they maybe Alien in this universe, I refute the notion that Alien have anything to do with human civilization progress. Why can't human achieve great things without the help of Aliens?

ps- Aliens is understood as Extra-Terrestrial.

This post has been edited by nipaa1412: Sep 6 2012, 10:32 AM

I am not very knowledgeable about the matter but I looked up in wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_correlation_theory

Under criticism, I found some interesting to relate



But that does not matter. Why? Firstly this does not prove that Aliens had a hand in teaching Egyptians how and where to build pyramids. Secondly even if the Egyptians did build with that purpose in mind, does not this prove humans of the past were equally as knowledgeable and capable of achieving great feats without some help from Aliens of sorts?

That is what I'm arguing about.


edit: grammar

This post has been edited by nipaa1412: Sep 6 2012, 03:08 PM

We do not know what sort of technique they used during that time because the methods are lost to us. However, this does not mean that humans are incapable of achievements. Moreover, we still do not know the extend of their knowledge in architecture. Also, there were numerous attempts in building pyramids showing that they were trying new ideas from time to time(for example the Bent pyramid and the red pyramid). I think it is a pity not giving the ancient Egyptians the credit they deserve for building such magnificent structures.

Because there is no need for one? Currently there are much simpler ways to construct large monuments. Why follow the hard way?

There are many pyramids around the world(in different countries) and each of them are years apart. This shows that pyramid building is not unique to the Egyptians. Also, if the aliens did descent to show how pyramids were build, then these different pyramids from different part of the world would have been of around the same time but this is not the case when the carbon dating for all of the pyramids in the world are many years apart.

Pumapunku does not prove anything of what you said about aliens. Like I explained earlier, the technique is lost to us. It does not explicitly shows there is alien interference. At the moment, I can only see whatever you think that seems impossible to build is of alien tech. Didn't you consider that it is only the technology or the skills that were just lost to us?

It is possible but to support such notion it is better to have a concrete proof, rather than "I don't know, therefore aliens."

The usage of pyramids differs in different cultures. The Egyptians used it to bury their royalty while those in the south/central America may have been used for religious purposes (like sacrifices). It was speculated that the ancient cities of south/central America were abandoned because of climate change where a drought happened, making crops didnt grow.

I have shown you earlier with different designs of pyramids, from how they experimented building non-sloped pyramid, to the attempted smooth-slope of the bent pyramid, into the successful red pyramid and finally the famous Giza Pyramids. All of these shows that there is a repeated attempt to perfect pyramid building by the ancient Egyptians. It isnt a one time project.

Problem:

I have been reading some conventional sources and many tell me that the stones are made of andesite and sandstone.

On the other hand, non-conventional tells me those stones are granite.

So, am I suppose to believe a research that has been peer-reviewed many times or not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

We have to a common agreement on statements to have a meaningful discussion.

Conventional sources tell me that there are no diorite or granite blocks in Pumapunku. Pumapunku is almost all clay and rubble, with facing stones of sandstone and a bit of andesite.

So unless we can both agree or disagree of a statement together, I don't think there will be a meaningful discussion.