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post Sep 6 2012, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Sep 6 2012, 03:41 PM)
i dont know why but i somehow have some feeling that this is all going to be related to the god anytime soon biggrin.gif
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Why? Are they afraid that alien is our creator like some hybrid experiment? Since human can create liger & tiglon, not impossible that we too are created the same way. So the possibility is there except its a bit difficult to swallow such a fact if found to be true and they were preaching alien almighty all along. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Sep 6 2012, 04:35 PM)
i wonder how would they react to that... laugh.gif
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The impression of end of the world theories are all translated as physical destruction which is rather direct, if god / creator come back to Earth in the form of a more advanced being, it too is end of the world since many societies are build on religion and why would they come back to shock us? To end dispute war and unite human or to conquer?

This led to the movie "the day the earth stood still".
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post Sep 6 2012, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(lunarwolf @ Sep 6 2012, 07:54 PM)
I read from a book that piramid couldnt be done by using the technology back in those days. It mention about the top sharp angle which is exactly 90 degree which couldnt be accurately be obtained using technology based in those days.


Added on September 6, 2012, 7:57 pm

Something imposible is just the angle which is 90 degree.

Sometimes come to think of i dont think we are the only planet that have life living on it. The universe is so big and there might be creature living in other planet.
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If so, why the alien left and why they came in the first place?

- They try to colonize Earth enslaving human but we become more intelligent and rebelled.

- They made human here then off to another planet but leave traces that indicate they will be back.


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post Sep 6 2012, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(lunarwolf @ Sep 6 2012, 10:45 PM)
Of course we wouldnt know what they are thinking... maybe is like something we left a footprint of the moon but we are not actually staying on the moon?
Why we go to moon in the first place?
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Going to a planet and cast influence to the living things is not the same as leaving foot print on a dead planet, if we know there are Martians and much primitive than us, why do you think we make contact? Invasion for resources just like Columbus, that is why after ET, all other alien movies are hostile.

If the Moon are found to have usable resources, human already build colony there and if alien were chased out is because something make them abandon this planet but with high precision stone craft and celestial like evidence on top of end of the world prophecies is spooky. I read about phenomenon that lead to a changes rather than destruction.

This person was studied by CIA, he is famous in the Western society.
[url=http://site.uri-geller.com/11_11[/url]

The subject is number, I know its like nonsense and this person dedicated his entire life doing the research since 1968.
http://www.greatdreams.com/radio/ryan/1111/ryan1111.htm

Why am I interested in this subject? I see the digital clock at 11:11, 2:22, 3:33... almost once everyday since last year and before that was occasionally. In facebook , this one is from a local DJ radio 988:
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post Sep 7 2012, 04:03 AM

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Why you guys commenting with questions? What is there to discuss without creative input?
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post Sep 7 2012, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 7 2012, 11:42 AM)
Because there is no need for one? Currently there are much simpler ways to construct large monuments. Why follow the hard way?

There are many pyramids around the world(in different countries)  and each of them are years apart. This shows that pyramid building is not unique to the Egyptians. Also, if the aliens did descent to show how pyramids were build, then these different pyramids from different part of the world would have been of around the same time but this is not the case when the carbon dating for all of the pyramids in the world are many years apart.

Pumapunku does not prove anything of what you said about aliens. Like I explained earlier, the technique is lost to us. It does not explicitly shows there is alien interference. At the moment, I can only see whatever you think that seems impossible to build is of alien tech. Didn't you consider that it is only the technology or the skills that were just lost to us?
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From Yahoo answer:
The stone material would have to have either Carbon in its structure (like a Carbonate) or coated with ash or soot containing Carbon to be dated.

With Stonehenge, it is not the age of the stone which is important, but the age of the site. Burnt wood and other means have been used to date the structure.

Carbon 14 appies only to organic material, it had to once been living tissue.
As for Stonehenge, subtle clues like erosion of exposed surfaces can be used, although not terribly accurate. Usually, non-organic material can be dated by association with organic artifacts found nearby, like a piece of wood that was used to raise the stones, which is the case for some pillars left in ground. Also, any digging around the site to allow the stones to be moved around would disturb the top soil to a certain depth, and only the layers of top soil that were added afterwards would match those of the undisturbed terrain, providing clues to the age of the site.

The attached link will provide more info.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge

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post Sep 7 2012, 03:28 PM

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What about the tomb wall that are 90 degrees cubicle and the smooth flat surface? It is not impossible to build pyramid but what are the methods they could have used to measure?

The Pumapunku site almost convinced me that alien did came or a small society were far more advanced than others but they keep it to themselves and when disaster struck, they lost everything, maybe alien left Earth because its not going to last long and the news reached the Mayan.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 7 2012, 03:47 PM)
Here are some of the picture of tools used to build the pyramids. They have levels to make sure surfaces are either vertical or horizontal and squares to make sure that corners are 90 degrees.
http://puffin.creighton.edu/museums/cohagan/egypt_build.htm
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OK, cutting it square is not too difficult, the Pyramid isn't my interest, how about these granite stone and its intricate details at Pumapunku:
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post Sep 7 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 7 2012, 05:21 PM)
Problem:

I have been reading some conventional sources and many tell me that the stones are made of  andesite and sandstone.

On the other hand, non-conventional tells me those stones are granite.

So, am I suppose to believe a research that has been peer-reviewed many times or not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku
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Sand stone is easy carving block but the doubt is on those H granite block and big panel, the videos in page 1 have addressed the questions we can think of already, continue them here lead to no where and the only out come for such a discussion is to insert your thoughts rather than your doubt.


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post Sep 7 2012, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Sep 7 2012, 09:05 PM)
We have to a common agreement on statements to have a meaningful discussion.

Conventional sources tell me that there are no diorite or granite blocks in Pumapunku. Pumapunku is almost all clay and rubble, with facing stones of sandstone and a bit of andesite.

So unless we can both agree or disagree of a statement together, I don't think there will be a meaningful discussion.
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Sep 6 2012, 01:21 AM)
Ancient Aliens Season 4 Episode 6 The Mystery of Puma Punku


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens
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You mean the discovery video is misleading people? If so, I was wrong, no alien and end of discussion about stone, what else is there that have not been discovered that are worthy to talk about?
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post Sep 8 2012, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 8 2012, 08:54 AM)
What do you mean by discovery video? That show was produced by the History channel which contains shows about UFOs, ghosts and end of the world prophecies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_%28U.S._TV_channel%29
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Sorry loh, whether Discovery channel or History channel is misleading us implied nipaa1412 according to his most trusted source that does not acknowledge the findings. So these videos making things up or not? Believe Wiki or youtube leh?

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 8 2012, 07:04 PM)
I'm more likely to believe wikipedia in this case since wikipedia has a reference section which you can use to do further research.

Then again people have been cutting granite way before Pumapunku was built. So that is not something that is unusual by itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite#Antiquity
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Cutting or polishing granite is not the doubt but to reproduce them in exact size precisely like machining is a challenge in those days, notice sculptures are irregular in shape not perfect flatness even at the concave and gutter like inward shape, since granite is so damn hard, why make such a structure that has no appearance purpose?

There is only two answers given,
1. Alien intervention
2. lost civilization who could be rather advanced, even with such advancement, they extinct or left the Earth.

Stone isn't the only sign that led to alien, crop circle and psychic and the paranormal too have a long history in human mind but since human can manifest anything, it is deemed unreliable.

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 8 2012, 09:58 PM)
once upon a time, human are much stronger then today.
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Are you suggesting once upon a time, we were alien? Possible too and technology made us lazy and weak. tongue.gif

That is a valid question, particularly human is the only kind that possess such high level of intelligence compared to any other animals but that does not mean we aren't originated from Earth and since human already started to explore other planets, we are the alien.



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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 8 2012, 10:10 PM)
we have no slave labor today. If an employer worked their workers too hard and too long, they' can expect a letter from court. but there was no such limitation long time ago. You can get a machine perfect stone without machining, but it require time, skill and concentration. the stonemason of maya usually build a scaffold and hang a slab of uncut stone a few inch upon the already shaped stone. then they will shape the stone hanging down the scaffold to fit right into the stone that they want to fit it into. to shape a single stone may take days and building a single wall may take many slaves.
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The idea of many skilled expert slave carvers has been suggested, that does not explain the identical geometrical structure of the H block as compared to grinding the stone against each other to fit which is irregular. To demand unnecessary or geometrical design is against logic knowing it could take a life time of only expert carvers to complete, more so if the purpose of the blocks is a wall, and wall is for protection, it should be fast and strong and cubical, only after the wall is completed, details are added just like most temple are carved out of the cave or wall instead of build like the Pyramid.



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post Sep 9 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(dkk @ Sep 9 2012, 10:37 PM)
And the reason why ETs would want these blocks carved in these identical geometrical shapes is because ... ?

I do not think it is a better explanation. How did you jump from "I cannot see how those early pre-industrial peoples did this" to "so ETs must have done it".

A better explanation would be if someone had found evidence like those surface had not been shaped with chisels, but somebody used high speed powezr tools or lasers, or something else those ancient peoples couldn't have.

Otherwise "I cannot imagine how they did it" is not evidence of "ETs did it", or anything else.
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The H block is clearly interlocking wall and what is the purpose of wall? Don't just rebut for the sake of disagree, I did not say it has to be alien being and you can't say it isn't either since nobody know. This topic is for creative input not a yes or no, right or wrong definition, the word alien could be things we have not discovered but Earthly which may have lost or extinct, your usual argument are not suitable in such a debate, too rigid.

If you have imagination at all, such a high degree of precision made wall exist in a primitive age, wonder what else do they have that are undiscovered? These people or alien did not leave anything else or buried underneath that are not allow to excavate, have you watch the movie TRANSFORMER? Who is to say there isn't anything else hidden in the pyramid?

With the kind of ability, they didn't survive compared to other less advanced civilization, I posses these primitive stone age ability from carving to painting also advanced 3D computer graphics. I have better understanding to what state of mind is needed to achieve what they did, what expert opinion do you have?

Before this, we only see the head.
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QUOTE(transhumanist92 @ Oct 3 2012, 01:55 AM)
The idea that our generation is the most advance civilization ever on this planet is refuted by the evidence in front of us all over this world. And yet most don't seem to "want" to get it. The ape theory is more appealing.
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Put it this way, there might be many generations of civilizations on Earth but they may not look like us, therefore ape is more likely our ancestor, the previous can look very different, no reason to resemble human.
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post Oct 4 2012, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(transhumanist92 @ Oct 3 2012, 11:52 PM)
No evolution. Homo sapiens and versions of it, have been here on Earth for billions of years with many clean up jobs in between.
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Who did the clean up jobs? Guessing is fun, can write a long story if you want.
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post Oct 6 2012, 10:14 PM

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This debunk video explain better than the ancient alien speculator.





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