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evolution120
post Jan 1 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 1 2013, 01:26 PM)
from proton rm150-200 iinm.

i got EBC green stuff directly from distro pentagon, rm320. however since it is super old stock (until got rusts on the backplate), got discount until 260  sweat.gif

hydraulic jack rm79 from tesco, very small one however it functions almost like those jacks from workshops, easier to jack cars up.

pictures of jack later la XD
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260 for front pads? wow, too exp for me XD

btw happy new year everyone wave.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(tobek27 @ Jan 2 2013, 02:33 PM)
Dear all,  notworthy.gif

Wanna get some suggestion & recommendation for the ideas below:

1) Can i juz install persona elegence 15" rims to my sedan iswara without changing the suspension system?

2) If i have to change, what is the suitable suspension spec for sedan iswara?  notworthy.gif
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1) yes, can fit, but must add spacer.. tyre only can use 195/50.. cannot use 195/55 too big..

2) any iswara suspension will do..

QUOTE(tobek27 @ Jan 2 2013, 03:45 PM)
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The rims specs is p.c.d 114.3(8h) 6.0jj.

So can fit to my sedan iswara rite?  notworthy.gif
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ya, this rim can fit.. with spacer.. how much u bought it?

new year already.. since now the bendix front pad left 30%+-.. thinkin of installing perdana front brake.. or just wait longer 1st.. hmm.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 2 2013, 05:26 PM)
hahaha im using 195/55, hitting fender all day erry day lolz

go EBC la, once gone EBC, will never look back again.  brows.gif
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super bite? brows.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 2 2013, 05:42 PM)
super bite, braking power on my foot's demand. very less to no dust.

only con i can see: price. avg 3-5 times the pricing of avg performance to oem brake pads's price
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whats the max temp? cold start the brake bite?

izit semi metal compund again? my disc started to gey very worn due to heavy braking already.. thanks to bendix..
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post Jan 2 2013, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 2 2013, 06:29 PM)
its mentioned to be organic friction material
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/index.shtml
bendix/rapid stop is said to be same/similar metalic material, and yea my rotor's worn to shit too which have severe braking vibrations when its life is ending.

had to skim my brake disc before replacing with EBC and it is their instruction to skim/turn rotors before fitting their brakes. glad i did though, as the vibrations are now gone smile.gif
only sad that the previous brake pads worn the disc so much, after skimming the slots are barely there anymore which is a bit of a waste having slotted rotors sad.gif

if you're on a budget, consider ultimax then, between rm140-200
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/ultima...ads/index.shtml
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/ultima...rake_pads.shtml

more dust than greenstuff though
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/greens...ads/index.shtml
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/greens...pads_2000.shtml

cold start brakes already bite, no need to heat up. no worries on cold brakes unless you use yellow (higher hp cars, street/track usage) > blue (much better durability and fade resistance > orange stuff (full track use, street illegal)

AFAIK green stuff are rated only 300-400 celcius max.
however i can assure you, our cars can BARELY EVER push the brakes to that limit, and people publishing their brake pads capable of withstanding that value is basically bullshitting unless they have technical data to back it, in which EBC does for their track brakes:
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/yellow...pads_4000.shtml
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/ebc_di...ing/index.shtml
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/automotive/orange...ads/index.shtml

FYI: anything above 500-700 celcius = glowing red rotors lol

and yes, there's a few crazy people that brakes their car to glowing red rotors, and they claim that EBC Greenstuff STILL BITES and does not fade even on such conditions (that EBC themselves does not rate/warrant at)
i personally sat in one of such car and that's why im convinced as f*** on EBC.

PS: elton (aka thundergod_cid) also using EBC now.

as many (including myself) says: once you go EBC, you'll never look back.
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wow.. seems like this EBC is like some serious shit over there..

u got steel braided hose installed as well?

wonder does those steel braided hose really perform well..
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post Jan 2 2013, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 2 2013, 06:49 PM)
i posted before i baru tukar all IMP steel braided hoses ma.
personally i think it is in ur head la, tarak improvement. maybe got also i dunno since i just hantam brake saje lol.

i change because my existing hose all cracking. dun wan shit to happen, and i ass itchy wanna change dot 5.1 brakes, which supposedly more corrosive, so sekaligus lorh

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nah link http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=54668297

ohhh after reading back, some update to that post:
brake faded after genting touge downhill  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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lol i forgotten ady ma blush.gif

but i still using stock hose wor.. even rear also perdana stock hose only.. but after changed the master pump issue, now more firm than last time already..

the bush also replaced by kent right? after submitting my fyp, i guess i need to replace my bushing already.. always got no time for that.. sad.gif
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post Jan 2 2013, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 2 2013, 07:05 PM)
rear axle bush lo.
front steering racks/bushes all using higher quality PU ones so far so good la biggrin.gif

IMP steel braided hose for iswara got 6 pieces, front 2x each side = 4 , rear 2 haha
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i think i need an expert iswara mech.. always go to my dad's recommended workshop, problem keep on coming 1.. hardly solve my axle problem.. zz
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post Jan 3 2013, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 2 2013, 08:07 PM)
i have a few mechs who specializes in different area of my car. i find it better that way smile.gif


Added on January 2, 2013, 9:00 pmsigh got in the car last weekend saturday and found a line on my windscreen. car's parked outside home. http://twitpic.com/brt00w

not sure which neighbor/******* did it. originated from a weak spot thanks to a stone chip some time ago http://twitpic.com/brt1z4

Pentagon, distributor for EBC brakes in Malaysia smile.gif http://twitpic.com/brt2zw
very old stock EBC green stuff for my proton iswara. backplate's rusted,and the sticker looks worn out/color faded http://twitpic.com/brt3k3

skimming my brake rotors as per EBC's instructions. look at the grinded brake disc rotor dusts o_O http://twitpic.com/brt47j

protip: try to avoid car parking when your bowels aren't at their best. thankfully i didn't shat my pants ^^; http://twitpic.com/brt50a

Gasket silicone for my new engine mounting strengthening DIY project biggrin.gif http://twitpic.com/brt6cd

Original proton iswara engine torque mounting parts smile.gif http://twitpic.com/brt7dn

After done 1 side on each mounting. 1 tube of that gasket silicone is barely enough for both mountings ^^; http://twitpic.com/brt8r5

bought new car jack for my engine exhaust wrapping DIY project biggrin.gif http://twitpic.com/brt9jq
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nice rotor over there.. tongue.gif

any recommendation to settle axle problem and drive shaft? sad.gif
QUOTE(driots @ Jan 2 2013, 09:39 PM)
Any sifu knew how to settle the rear axle noises for iswara....
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want best result, change the whole axle.. which probably cost 500++.. recond unit 300++ but is a time bomb.. u dont know when the sound will be back agian..

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post Jan 3 2013, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 3 2013, 03:52 AM)
refer to my previous post on axle bush replacement.

parts cheap, however labor is the one cost a lot as it takes a damn long time to do


Added on January 3, 2013, 3:57 am

what is your axle problem? noise? replaced bush already? if yes identify where is the noise actually coming from
get someone, preferably a skilled mechanic to sit in (yes im not joking, get your rear seats lowered) your trunk or rear side to listen

drive shaft what problem? cv joint broken? middle shaft unbalanced? leaking ATF/gear oil?
if only cv joint issue just change accordingly.
if middle shaft unbalanced/leaking ATF or gear oil, might as well change the whole thing

original proton is rm800 to over 1k iinm
OEM NTN is like 500-700? IINM
then anything cheaper are ciplaks already

changing bush is better than whole axle as you're gambling with half cut quality. that said, if you do change original proton, that is a different story. pricing also different story tongue.gif
at least if issue reoccur, it's just the bush, not the whole axle (ei metal expensive you know? lol)
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noises, replaced 3 times already.. and the drive shaft i've no idea what is all about.. some said drive shaft prob, some said axle caused the problem..

my problem is when i do slightly turn, there is some very loud "kruuk kruuk kruuk" sound.. wink.gif


Added on January 3, 2013, 1:40 pm
QUOTE(tobek27 @ Jan 3 2013, 07:24 AM)
Already installed it 195/55 tyre.. ngam2 & very nice2 lor!  rclxm9.gif

Bought from a fren rm600 with 195/60 tyres.
Whats is EBC? Sorry noob here  notworthy.gif
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EBC = high end brake pad.. quaz bought it for rm260 for front.. nod.gif

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post Jan 3 2013, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 3 2013, 02:51 PM)
if your sound only comes out during turns, rear axle won't cause it. that is most likely drive shaft CV joint. skilled mechanic can easily identify/point it out smile.gif

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you try use logic and apply:
- sound only comes when you turn
- rear axle CANNOT turn, only goes straight
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Yeah.. That's my thought too.. But my usual mech guy said is from the axle.. I was like huh...? The sound obviously from the front, and he said is from the rear doh.gif

I guess he is just sick of repairing my cheap cars.. sad.gif
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post Jan 3 2013, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 3 2013, 06:45 PM)
to confirm if it is indeed coming from back (and to identify if it is left/right, or both):
lower your rear seats, get someone with decent sense of hearing to sit around the wheel/trunk area (obviously they have to be lying down, trunk fairly cleared for them to maneuver around)

do drive gently especially going over road bumps so you dont bang your assistant ya (or you can listen while they drive instead vice versa)

chances are it could even be faulty/leaking drum brake pump causing rear drum brake drag. which could produce VERY similar sound at low speeds as higher speeds the drag gets less as you're forcibly pushing the wheels (however that would mean very fast drum brake fade/worn and that's actually dangerous!)

it could also be rear absorber leaking, causing the rear to be lowered, and chances are your tires may be hitting the chassis, or the chassis hitting road bumps/obstacles (like mine, car too f***ing low  doh.gif )

many reasons/root cause, so need troubleshoot it, pin point and tackle the problem precisely wink.gif
(and that's why having separate mechanics who are experts in their own field ALWAYS help than having a jack of all trades wink.gif )
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Might be useful for me also brows.gif
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post Jan 6 2013, 01:14 PM

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^ u done those things by yourself? shocking.gif
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post Jan 9 2013, 03:34 PM

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out of curiousity, can we just plug n play other proton steering into our iswara? hmm.gif
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post Jan 9 2013, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Jan 9 2013, 09:24 PM)
d price seems normal. but wats siren n alarm? i guess alarm refers to d system. siren is d pembesar suara..

ermm..d cover if u wan, need mod..
halfcut?huhu
dun see y cannot..huhu
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http://www.mudah.my/Proton+preve+steering+...vc-19095994.htm

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test drove preve b4, and the steering is very nice to hold.. but that was the leather version 1.. tongue.gif

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post Jan 11 2013, 08:39 PM

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Wrx sound? I want also don't have sad.gif
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post Jan 12 2013, 10:58 PM

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so... finally my bendix is coming to an end.. served me well ofcourse..

now thinking about to change the front brake or not or just get the ebc brake pads replaced..

hmm.. feel like trying ebc like quaza.. but my rotor surface is somehow "uneven".. damn
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 13 2013, 10:36 PM)
along with many other HARD brakings, and even a 150/kmh until under 10 km/h... http://twitpic.com/buvers

just to do a U-turn under MRR2... finally noticeable brake dusts. wheels very smelly from all the heavy braking http://twitpic.com/buvfd5

EBC recommends to get the rotors turned/skimmed prior to fitting new brake pads. or if its too thin (due to previous skimming/wraped), get it replaced smile.gif
if you're on solid disc, no harm on skimming. hell, i skimmed mine despite the drill/slots heh.

for better/bigger brake updates, either change the calipers to more pistons or even have bigger ones (including more pistons) however for iswara, typically need to mod the entire mounting/wheel hub etc instead sad.gif
so i opt for the current setup. mod within what i can on plug and play solutions smile.gif
nothing radical.
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thanks bro.. thinkin of tryin the ebc first.. if it still doesnt satisfy me, then i should proceed to perdana set instead.. but ofcz, the cost is just way too high.. 700+-.. probably able to change 3 times of ebc pads laugh.gif

how much to skim the rotor? and mind share where did u managed to get 160 bucks pad? brows.gif
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post Jan 14 2013, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 14 2013, 04:13 AM)
skim rotors both sides rm70

EBC greenstuff original price is rm320. i got mine for 260 after nego due to very old stock + heavy rust on the pads already.

Pentagon is the sole distributor for EBC for Malaysia and i got my pads directly from there.
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70 to skim the rotor? yawn.gif

Hmm, is it a shop? Tried searching member list no result sad.gif
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post Jan 18 2013, 12:49 AM

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Quazacolt

did u ever encounter delayed gear shift during cold start? something like after a long hour where the engine and gear box is totally cold, then u start your car to warm up about 30 seconds, then when u shift to D, it doesnt shift into gear 1 and it still stucked in free gear, step on the pedal abit, then the rpm raised, but still in free gear but engaged D, then suddenly choked into gear 1 with mild high rpm.. same goes to from 1 to 2 and 2 to 3...

usually it changes instantly 1 right? but now it goes like gear 2 to free gear then only to gear 3 but to directly gear 2 to gear 3..

after the temp gone up a bit, then wont have this problem d.. no gearbox oil leakage though..

or anyone know whats the problem? its an auto tranny btw sad.gif

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post Jan 18 2013, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Jan 18 2013, 07:00 AM)
Did you check whether the AT fluid is sufficient and in good condition? When was the last time you changed the AT fluid?
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Lat service around nov just checked, the mech said still good.. Ytd checked the fluid again, totally full.. But that was during cold engine time.. I know is not accurate, but hey, at least I know there is still non pekat ATF right? laugh.gif


QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 18 2013, 11:12 AM)
few years ago yeah.

but now i use Q8 semi syn ATF and lubegard platinum. (around/over RM300 per ATF fluid change lol)
so... yeah.

these days i play my auto stick as if its manual, ill just call it semi auto.
down shift gear 1/2 (d being 3rd and final gear lol) whack corners, genting etc lol.

did ATF flush before?
or ATF filter change? (need to open up the sump, and replace the gasket as well)

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my ATF OCI is 20k km or 6 months (considering i drive heavily, my mileage always reaches first)

i am considering to extend it 30k km or so because my ATF is ALWAYS crystal clear with no residue or whatsoever upon drain. feels like a waste considering my per ATF OCI is around/more than rm300
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Erm, I think I changed my ATF almost 1/2 year back.. Couldn't recall actual month.. So most likely to be caused by ATF and the ATF filter?

I think since oct, I hardly drive like a madman which rev up to 4.5 to 5k.. Found out my fc also improved from 300 to 330 per full tank lol

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