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post Mar 22 2013, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 22 2013, 07:04 PM)
Is it consider as HD if I set 1280x720 resolution from S20B300B since its max resolution is 1600x900?
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1600x900 is already hd.

setting it lesser than the maximum on ure screen not advisable.

The pixel/inch on the screen is adjusted to allocate each pixel on a 1:1. when u do a 1280x720 and strech it. ure streching the pixels. hence y it doesnt look sharp. Unless u set on ure video driver and monitor 1:1 with maintain aspect ratio but u will get black bars at the top/bottom and sides.
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post Mar 22 2013, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 22 2013, 07:17 PM)
1600x900 is already hd.

setting it lesser than the maximum on ure screen not advisable.

The pixel/inch on the screen is adjusted to allocate each pixel on a 1:1. when u do a 1280x720 and strech it. ure streching the pixels. hence y it doesnt look sharp. Unless u set on ure video driver and monitor 1:1 with maintain aspect ratio but u will get black bars at the top/bottom and sides.
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Actually I'm using S22B350 now. I doesn't set to native resolution because the font looks smaller even I change font size from Control Panel and therefore I set to 1280x800 resolution after I've tried several resolutions so that I can view better.
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post Mar 22 2013, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 22 2013, 08:19 PM)
Actually I'm using S22B350 now. I doesn't set to native resolution because the font looks smaller even I change font size from Control Panel and therefore I set to 1280x800 resolution after I've tried several resolutions so that I can view better.
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http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/pc-peri...r/LS22B350HS/XM

Native : 1920x1080

To make u understand better think that theres on ure screen theres exactly 1920x1080 pixels on it so each pixel gets a color etc.

when u set a lower resolution and make it strech on that screen say a 1280x720 ( not 800) cause u want to maintain a 16:9 ratio as per ure native screen.

Each pixel on ure 1280x720 is streched on 2.25 pixels on the screen.

so hence y u loose sharpness.

unless u maintain aspect ratio hence u will get a 1280x720 with black bars top/bottom and both right/left. but u will get perfect 1:1.




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post Mar 23 2013, 12:11 AM

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Does higher inch monitor cause headache or eyes strain when sitting in front of the monitor?
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post Mar 23 2013, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 23 2013, 12:11 AM)
Does higher inch monitor cause headache or eyes strain when sitting in front of the monitor?
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hmm kindda depends on pixel per inch...ppi or pixel pitch
basic sizes n reso

23inch - 1920x1080 - 95.78 PPI, 0.2652mm pixel pitch
27inch - 1920x1080 - 81.59 PPI, 0.3111mm pixel pitch
24inch - 1920x1200 - 94.34 PPI, 0.2692mm pixel pitch
27inch - 2560x1440 - 108.79 PPI, 0.2335mm pixel pitch
30inch - 2560x1600 - 100.63 PPI, 0.2552mm pixel pitch

the norm in my opinion is 23 at 1920x1080p for close distance gaming. its perfect. u see from above users on 16:10 24inch vs the 23 abt the same. those who want to game a bit further away without squinting would go for the 27 1080p. the 1440p 27 in my opinion is pure squinting. so big diff. the 24 to 30 6ppi 0.100mm difference so still perfect

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21.5inch - 1920x1080 - 102.46 PPI, 0.2479mm pixel pitch. urr pixel size is smaller than the 30.

for me this means squinting as i am used to 24 1920x1200.

thats y i bought dell 29inch instead of the 27inch 1440p which was just rm100 more

29inch - 2560x1080 - 95.81 PPI, 0.2651 pixel pitch. transition was easy on the eyes.

it depends on user but for me using the 23 as base...higher PPI lower pixel pitch closer i got to be to see or squinting.


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post Mar 23 2013, 03:24 AM

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1920X1080 on anything over 23inch is poor and bad to my eyes

and i feel i've been robbed using 16:9 compare to 16:10
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 23 2013, 01:05 AM)
hmm kindda depends on pixel per inch...ppi or pixel pitch
basic sizes n reso

23inch - 1920x1080 -  95.78 PPI, 0.2652mm pixel pitch
27inch - 1920x1080 -  81.59 PPI, 0.3111mm pixel pitch
24inch - 1920x1200 -  94.34 PPI, 0.2692mm pixel pitch
27inch - 2560x1440 - 108.79 PPI, 0.2335mm pixel pitch
30inch - 2560x1600 - 100.63 PPI, 0.2552mm pixel pitch

the norm in my opinion is 23 at 1920x1080p for close distance gaming. its perfect. u see from above users on 16:10 24inch vs the 23 abt the same. those who want to game a bit further away without squinting would go for the 27 1080p. the 1440p 27 in my opinion is pure squinting. so big diff. the 24 to 30 6ppi 0.100mm difference so still perfect

lets see ures

21.5inch - 1920x1080 - 102.46 PPI, 0.2479mm pixel pitch. urr pixel size is smaller than the 30.

for me this means squinting as i am used to 24 1920x1200.

thats y i bought dell 29inch instead of the 27inch 1440p which was just rm100 more

29inch - 2560x1080 - 95.81 PPI, 0.2651 pixel pitch. transition was easy on the eyes.

it depends on user but for me using the 23 as base...higher PPI lower pixel pitch closer i got to be to see or squinting.
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so as for 21.5inch - 1920x1080 what does it means? good for eye or not? mine is 21.5 full hd
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post Mar 23 2013, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Mar 23 2013, 07:01 AM)
so as for 21.5inch - 1920x1080 what does it means? good for eye or not? mine is 21.5 full hd
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Read on the data. It means compared to
23,27 1080p, 24,29 n 30.. Ure screen pixel size is way smaller n harder to read based on equal viewing distance.

Any other than that each to his own. Some born with eagle eye some born almost blind lol.

Choose a fit. If u find ure 21.5 is good think then 27 1440p will be ure next choice. Unlike me i hate it. Ud be suprised how many ppl prefer 27 1080p with a longer viewing distance.

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post Mar 23 2013, 10:34 AM

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Gosh, i just called Dell helpdesk to enquire the price of U2413. And its around RM2k..... shocking.gif

Now I'm like lost........ need someone to recommend me a good 24inches monitor. ohmy.gif

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 23 2013, 10:34 AM)
Gosh, i just called Dell helpdesk to enquire the price of U2413. And its around RM2k..... shocking.gif

Now I'm like lost........ need someone to recommend me a good 24inches monitor.  ohmy.gif
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U2413 is Premier Color like U2713H. Yeah its about 1.5k

They suppose to launch later U2413M. Cheaper version with IPS only like U2412.

RM819 in Digital Mall. Con USB 2.0.



so far only on 2713H and 2913WM amd 2413 all have display port out. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
Daisy chaining.

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post Mar 23 2013, 07:32 PM

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I sit away from 21.5 inch monitor for around 85 cm. Is it good for my eyes?
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post Mar 23 2013, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 23 2013, 07:32 PM)
I sit away from 21.5 inch monitor for around 85 cm. Is it good for my eyes?
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If superman sit 100cm from 5inch monitor. Still good for him

If ure squinting then not good. If eyes get tired easily. Not good.

Everybody diff. Only ureself can tell. 85cm from a 21.5 monitor with that pixel pitch??
If it was me.. Def too far away.

Take note smaller pixel pitch normally sit closer.

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post Mar 23 2013, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 23 2013, 10:34 AM)
Gosh, i just called Dell helpdesk to enquire the price of U2413. And its around RM2k..... shocking.gif

Now I'm like lost........ need someone to recommend me a good 24inches monitor.  ohmy.gif
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That's interesting, didn't know dell customer reps work on weekends.

Anybody knows what discounts are applicable to this model? The US site is only USD499 or RM1500.
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QUOTE(corad @ Mar 23 2013, 10:26 PM)
That's interesting, didn't know dell customer reps work on weekends.

Anybody knows what discounts are applicable to this model? The US site is only USD499 or RM1500.
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Premier colors discount wont be much. Norm around RM100-200 difference. Check with Ban Leong.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 23 2013, 02:50 PM)
U2413 is Premier Color like U2713H. Yeah its about 1.5k

They suppose to launch later U2413M. Cheaper version with IPS only like U2412.

RM819 in Digital Mall. Con USB 2.0.
so far only on 2713H and 2913WM amd 2413 all have display port out.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif 
Daisy chaining.
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so, based on ur experience on 2713H, how much improvement is the premier color version compared to the cheaper 2913wm?
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Mar 24 2013, 05:34 AM)
so, based on ur experience on 2713H, how much improvement is the premier color version compared to the cheaper 2913wm?
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read on this

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

2913WM is the same as 2713HM on color reproduction

so u can read the difference of 2713HM vs 2713H.

2713HM
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The U2711 and U2713H use wide gamut backlighting types (WCG-CCFL and GB-LED respectively) which offer an extended gamut covering 102 - 103% of the NTSC colour space.

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U2713H feature an 8-bit + A-FRC panel which can offer a colour palette of 1.07 billion colours if you have a relevant end to end 10-bit workflow (application, operating system, graphics card, interface etc)



2713H
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The U2713HM on the other hand uses modern White-LED backlighting which can only cover the sRGB reference colour space, offering >99% coverage according to the spec. It would be referred to as a standard gamut screen

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The U2713HM uses only a normal 8-bit IPS panel and has 8-bit signal processing.


2913
Pros
1.2913WM has all the other stuff 2713H has except this two and has good panel uniformity (2713H seems to have a issue)
2.So far on bezel this is exclusive to 2913WM only. The design is different. Very thin plastic on the edges with a black bar of screen. Pretty cool as it puts the screen same level as bezel. No dell has this afaik.
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3.Movies lol.. great for 2:35 etc.. aka 1920x800,1920x 1040 etc cropped which most movies are
cons
1.Vertical lines 1080 instead of 1200 etc. This so far doesnt seem to affect me yet on the transition. Likey the 2913WM alot.
2.Cons movie 1920x1080p will have two black bars at the side.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 24 2013, 11:50 AM)
read on this

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

2913WM is the same as 2713HM on color reproduction

so u can read the difference of 2713HM vs 2713H.

2713HM
2713H
2913
Pros
1.2913WM has all the other stuff 2713H has except this two and has good panel uniformity (2713H seems to have a issue)
2.So far on bezel this is exclusive to 2913WM only. The design is different. Very thin plastic on the edges with a black bar of screen. Pretty cool as it puts the screen same level as bezel. No dell has this afaik.
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3.Movies lol.. great for 2:35 etc.. aka 1920x800,1920x 1040 etc cropped which most movies are
cons
1.Vertical lines 1080 instead of 1200 etc. This so far doesnt seem to affect me yet on the transition. Likey the 2913WM alot.
2.Cons movie 1920x1080p will have two black bars at the side.
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oh lol, i assumed u own both unit, and i was talking about whether or not the extra gamut on the premier color units has impact on real life experience like better color during the movie or something to justify the premiuum several hundreds ringgit cost. tongue.gif yea, i do know the ratio thingy has its pros and cons. blush.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Mar 24 2013, 01:17 PM)
oh lol, i assumed u own both unit, and i was talking about whether or not the extra gamut on the premier color units has impact on real life experience like better color during the movie  or something to justify the premiuum several hundreds ringgit cost. tongue.gif yea, i do know the ratio thingy has its pros and cons.  blush.gif
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No

27 i got a iMac 27. Apple 30, Two dell 2410 (110% Gamut), Two Benq FP241W (AU Optronics P-MVA 8 ms panel 6ms GTG 1920x1200)

Premier color thing new for me too. Also all the premier color comes with pixel guarantee.

Extra gamut is for pro editing. Color reproduction. No impact on moving frame rates etc.

The 2412 is old n not up to date with 2413 fully capable. 2713H. I cant stand the pixel pitch. On imac cause of the osx u wont notice but on windows icon n font u will.

Hence choosed the 2913WM.

Btw quality on stand nothing beats the benq. If drop from 5 storey building confirm car hancur. 7 years champion rm7.3k for two ..still going strong n my fav monitor.

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