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post Mar 22 2013, 06:43 PM

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All it Hypermarket digital mall and viewnet LYP dell prices are really good for ultrasharps.

Dell U2913WM RM1515 Viewnet 5 years warantty.

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post Mar 22 2013, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 22 2013, 07:04 PM)
Is it consider as HD if I set 1280x720 resolution from S20B300B since its max resolution is 1600x900?
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1600x900 is already hd.

setting it lesser than the maximum on ure screen not advisable.

The pixel/inch on the screen is adjusted to allocate each pixel on a 1:1. when u do a 1280x720 and strech it. ure streching the pixels. hence y it doesnt look sharp. Unless u set on ure video driver and monitor 1:1 with maintain aspect ratio but u will get black bars at the top/bottom and sides.
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post Mar 22 2013, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 22 2013, 08:19 PM)
Actually I'm using S22B350 now. I doesn't set to native resolution because the font looks smaller even I change font size from Control Panel and therefore I set to 1280x800 resolution after I've tried several resolutions so that I can view better.
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http://www.samsung.com/my/consumer/pc-peri...r/LS22B350HS/XM

Native : 1920x1080

To make u understand better think that theres on ure screen theres exactly 1920x1080 pixels on it so each pixel gets a color etc.

when u set a lower resolution and make it strech on that screen say a 1280x720 ( not 800) cause u want to maintain a 16:9 ratio as per ure native screen.

Each pixel on ure 1280x720 is streched on 2.25 pixels on the screen.

so hence y u loose sharpness.

unless u maintain aspect ratio hence u will get a 1280x720 with black bars top/bottom and both right/left. but u will get perfect 1:1.




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post Mar 23 2013, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 23 2013, 12:11 AM)
Does higher inch monitor cause headache or eyes strain when sitting in front of the monitor?
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hmm kindda depends on pixel per inch...ppi or pixel pitch
basic sizes n reso

23inch - 1920x1080 - 95.78 PPI, 0.2652mm pixel pitch
27inch - 1920x1080 - 81.59 PPI, 0.3111mm pixel pitch
24inch - 1920x1200 - 94.34 PPI, 0.2692mm pixel pitch
27inch - 2560x1440 - 108.79 PPI, 0.2335mm pixel pitch
30inch - 2560x1600 - 100.63 PPI, 0.2552mm pixel pitch

the norm in my opinion is 23 at 1920x1080p for close distance gaming. its perfect. u see from above users on 16:10 24inch vs the 23 abt the same. those who want to game a bit further away without squinting would go for the 27 1080p. the 1440p 27 in my opinion is pure squinting. so big diff. the 24 to 30 6ppi 0.100mm difference so still perfect

lets see ures

21.5inch - 1920x1080 - 102.46 PPI, 0.2479mm pixel pitch. urr pixel size is smaller than the 30.

for me this means squinting as i am used to 24 1920x1200.

thats y i bought dell 29inch instead of the 27inch 1440p which was just rm100 more

29inch - 2560x1080 - 95.81 PPI, 0.2651 pixel pitch. transition was easy on the eyes.

it depends on user but for me using the 23 as base...higher PPI lower pixel pitch closer i got to be to see or squinting.


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QUOTE(Ulysses @ Mar 23 2013, 07:01 AM)
so as for 21.5inch - 1920x1080 what does it means? good for eye or not? mine is 21.5 full hd
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Read on the data. It means compared to
23,27 1080p, 24,29 n 30.. Ure screen pixel size is way smaller n harder to read based on equal viewing distance.

Any other than that each to his own. Some born with eagle eye some born almost blind lol.

Choose a fit. If u find ure 21.5 is good think then 27 1440p will be ure next choice. Unlike me i hate it. Ud be suprised how many ppl prefer 27 1080p with a longer viewing distance.

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Mar 23 2013, 10:34 AM)
Gosh, i just called Dell helpdesk to enquire the price of U2413. And its around RM2k..... shocking.gif

Now I'm like lost........ need someone to recommend me a good 24inches monitor.  ohmy.gif
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U2413 is Premier Color like U2713H. Yeah its about 1.5k

They suppose to launch later U2413M. Cheaper version with IPS only like U2412.

RM819 in Digital Mall. Con USB 2.0.



so far only on 2713H and 2913WM amd 2413 all have display port out. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
Daisy chaining.

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QUOTE(erik8lyt @ Mar 23 2013, 07:32 PM)
I sit away from 21.5 inch monitor for around 85 cm. Is it good for my eyes?
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If superman sit 100cm from 5inch monitor. Still good for him

If ure squinting then not good. If eyes get tired easily. Not good.

Everybody diff. Only ureself can tell. 85cm from a 21.5 monitor with that pixel pitch??
If it was me.. Def too far away.

Take note smaller pixel pitch normally sit closer.

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QUOTE(corad @ Mar 23 2013, 10:26 PM)
That's interesting, didn't know dell customer reps work on weekends.

Anybody knows what discounts are applicable to this model? The US site is only USD499 or RM1500.
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Premier colors discount wont be much. Norm around RM100-200 difference. Check with Ban Leong.

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Mar 24 2013, 05:34 AM)
so, based on ur experience on 2713H, how much improvement is the premier color version compared to the cheaper 2913wm?
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read on this

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm

2913WM is the same as 2713HM on color reproduction

so u can read the difference of 2713HM vs 2713H.

2713HM
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The U2711 and U2713H use wide gamut backlighting types (WCG-CCFL and GB-LED respectively) which offer an extended gamut covering 102 - 103% of the NTSC colour space.

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U2713H feature an 8-bit + A-FRC panel which can offer a colour palette of 1.07 billion colours if you have a relevant end to end 10-bit workflow (application, operating system, graphics card, interface etc)



2713H
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The U2713HM on the other hand uses modern White-LED backlighting which can only cover the sRGB reference colour space, offering >99% coverage according to the spec. It would be referred to as a standard gamut screen

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The U2713HM uses only a normal 8-bit IPS panel and has 8-bit signal processing.


2913
Pros
1.2913WM has all the other stuff 2713H has except this two and has good panel uniformity (2713H seems to have a issue)
2.So far on bezel this is exclusive to 2913WM only. The design is different. Very thin plastic on the edges with a black bar of screen. Pretty cool as it puts the screen same level as bezel. No dell has this afaik.
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3.Movies lol.. great for 2:35 etc.. aka 1920x800,1920x 1040 etc cropped which most movies are
cons
1.Vertical lines 1080 instead of 1200 etc. This so far doesnt seem to affect me yet on the transition. Likey the 2913WM alot.
2.Cons movie 1920x1080p will have two black bars at the side.

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Mar 24 2013, 01:17 PM)
oh lol, i assumed u own both unit, and i was talking about whether or not the extra gamut on the premier color units has impact on real life experience like better color during the movie  or something to justify the premiuum several hundreds ringgit cost. tongue.gif yea, i do know the ratio thingy has its pros and cons.  blush.gif
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No

27 i got a iMac 27. Apple 30, Two dell 2410 (110% Gamut), Two Benq FP241W (AU Optronics P-MVA 8 ms panel 6ms GTG 1920x1200)

Premier color thing new for me too. Also all the premier color comes with pixel guarantee.

Extra gamut is for pro editing. Color reproduction. No impact on moving frame rates etc.

The 2412 is old n not up to date with 2413 fully capable. 2713H. I cant stand the pixel pitch. On imac cause of the osx u wont notice but on windows icon n font u will.

Hence choosed the 2913WM.

Btw quality on stand nothing beats the benq. If drop from 5 storey building confirm car hancur. 7 years champion rm7.3k for two ..still going strong n my fav monitor.

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 01:41 PM)
Hey guys,for those monitor which only have 1 HDMI port...is it possible to use a HDMI switcher to switch between PS3,notebook and pc?

If so,can someone recommend a model and price?
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Any will do. Limitation of switcher afaik is hdmi 1.4 only.


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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 01:53 PM)
Erm can you explain more about the limitation  laugh.gif

EDIT:Let me google a bit while waiting for reply  tongue.gif
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Meaning dont use 3d monitor etc or tv with arc hdmi support.
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 09:59 PM)
Hmm at first planned to get Samsung S23B550V because it has 2 x HDMI port but now since I planned to get a HDMI switcher...mayb I will get Samsung S24B350H instead  laugh.gif

Too bad Dell UltraSharp dont have HDMI port at all and LG IPS237L seems to have ghosting effect when playing FPS games hmm.gif
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Dell 2913WM. U2413. U2713H, U3011 l

Its amazing my 7 year Benq has s-video, hdmi, dvi, vga, Composite and even Picture in Picture.

But if HDMI is what ure looking for go for S2340, S2440, S2740

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 10:50 PM)
Lol my wallet bleeding kuat kuat sweat.gif
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http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/product...0889&redirect=1

S2740

VGA, DVi and HDMI.

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 11:13 PM)
How much is that? sweat.gif

EDIT:Checked at garage sales...it's around 1150  rclxub.gif Can buy LED TV adi sweat.gif
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Have read the rule on ure signature is limited to 15lines

I am sure that led tv will have backligt led ips panel


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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 11:42 PM)
Meaning??
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Meaning a 1k tv will look crap.

Benq GW2450hM - Rm599
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/monitors/...onitor-review/2

Looks good. DVI, VGA, HDMI.

As a user of AMVA n IPS panels.

try AMVA. Its awesome on black levels especially.


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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 24 2013, 11:56 PM)
Oh thanks for recommending!Now I have more options instead of just Samsung laugh.gif
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I would think in the RM500-600 range

Its either

Dell - U2312HM - E-IPS - VGA+DVI+DP - RM549
Benq - GW2450 - AMVA - VGA-HDMI-DVI - RM599
Viewsonic - VW2370MH - AH-IPS - VGA+DVI+HDMI - RM539.. loooks good AH-IPS and Frameless like U2913WM.
Cons so far i see on this is the adjustment on the stand.

BTW Display port on u2312 is useless unless ure going to do multi setup screen using high end ati cards.

btw AH-IPS are newer than E-IPS.

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 25 2013, 12:11 AM)
Wow thanks!Erm my budget is somewhere around 500-700.Erm how about Dell S2440L?It's AMVA also and it has HDMI port.But well it's glossy so it might be good and bad depending on lighting.

Viewsonic looks good but is there an 24" version of it?Never tried viewsonic and benq monitors before so I'm not sure good they are.I guess need to see it face to face at shop tongue.gif
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saw that in digital mall. Infact i think u can see all the monitors in digital mall all it and their prices are very very good.
RM699..
2340L is RM569.

looks like a nice screen.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_s2440l.htm

theres a comparison against benq here.

ghosting looks solid same as benq.Better than Dell E-IPS which is prone to it.
Seems to be a very good A-MVA Panel.

BTW remember most gc's nowadays are DVI, DIsplay port and mini HDMI. So vga means u need a DVI to VGA converter from ure card. Ure happy with the extended connection??

Like my TJ11, FT02s.. a few of them lol..cant do that cause the top cant close.

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the samsung is a tn panel. Unless ure hardcore gamer. and only dedicate this to gaming ...

I'd never recommend tn panels unless for that very reason. BTW nobody makes better tn panels like samsung.



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QUOTE(Duckies @ Mar 25 2013, 12:31 AM)
Oh I see.Hmm it's gonna be multipurpose.Browsing, watching movies and gaming laugh.gif Well the rest of them other than Samsung will be good for gaming?

The response time shown from their monitor specs seems good.All below 5ms GTG
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The best TN panels are meant for gaming and nobody makes them better than Samsung..Except hmm Benq Gaming line looks good.

http://gaming.benq.com/gaming-monitor

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