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post Aug 15 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(wenqing @ Aug 15 2012, 04:41 PM)
daikor.MBF any news???seem like got move little bit biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 15 2012, 04:38 PM)
Agree with you Sky gor. I personally think retirement age should be around 50 or below that, although I can live with 55. The problem is now everywhere Govt keeps upgrading the retirement age, and all this contribute to jobless to the younger generations. We should just stick with the official of 55 years old and then if the person does not have enough savings or want to work for another few years, then he/she can do so. But making it official at 60, I believe we are following the US/Euro zone and if their jobless rate can go so high, eventually we will catch up.
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Most companies prefer to hire fresh grads instead of those over 30.
I suppose you are very young. If you are over 30, you'll know how difficult it is to get a job.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Aug 15 2012, 04:44 PM)
Most companies prefer to hire fresh grads instead of those over 30.
I suppose you are very young. If you are over 30, you'll know how difficult it is to get a job.
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If hiring. If a person >50 years old working, I doubt they will need replacement. Increase that to another 10-20 years, we can see how many jobless grad waiting to take over their jobs
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 15 2012, 04:46 PM)
If hiring. If a person >50 years old working, I doubt they will need replacement. Increase that to another 10-20 years, we can see how many jobless grad waiting to take over their jobs
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Thing is, one of the main point is low salary here.
Because of low salary, many old fella, be it 55 or 60 year old, still not saving enough money to live for another 15 years (if they die at 70-75 year old).
And it's not a good idea to throw away the old ones just for the purpose of increasing jobs for the young ones. What we should do is to increase jobs, be it for the old ones or the young ones, same same. Because either old ones or young ones, jobless still an issue (as stated above, salary too low so savings not enough).
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I notice old people in SG work in KFC, mcdonald. Can we do the same in malaysia.
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QUOTE(kino318 @ Aug 15 2012, 04:53 PM)
I notice old people in SG work in KFC, mcdonald.  Can we do the same in malaysia.
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in those advance country, they prefer senior citizen to work as toll operator, cashier and restaurant worker.

But in Malaysia, due to cheap labor, who want to hire those senior citizen with low productivity hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kino318 @ Aug 15 2012, 04:53 PM)
I notice old people in SG work in KFC, mcdonald.  Can we do the same in malaysia.
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can but health cannot everyday eat KFC and burger need to go IHH or KPJ more often or even worst then back to square one (money earn = money spend maybe more) .....
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Wah.. CI in green 0. Fatt Fatt laugh.gif
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yellowman laughing all the way to the bank today.
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yok, once mention msports close green immediately so keng ahhh...... call more often pls notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 15 2012, 04:51 PM)
Thing is, one of the main point is low salary here.
Because of low salary, many old fella, be it 55 or 60 year old, still not saving enough money to live for another 15 years (if they die at 70-75 year old).
And it's not a good idea to throw away the old ones just for the purpose of increasing jobs for the young ones. What we should do is to increase jobs, be it for the old ones or the young ones, same same. Because either old ones or young ones, jobless still an issue (as stated above, salary too low so savings not enough).
Just my view. nod.gif
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With more automation, jobs will be getting lesser and lesser, whether we like it or not. IMO, there is no way to increase jobs but still possible to maintain jobs. Salary is one thing, the main thing is every govt in the world are actually spending the citizen's retirement fund. They spend it and hope to use the new generations' fund to cover the old one, but not enough, so extending the retirement age will be the only way. In Malaysia, we can still withdraw at 55, as of today, but in US, you will get penalty if you withdraw before the official retirement age. If it only happens in Malaysia, yes, it is low salary. Now in fact it has already happen to US and Euro Zone. Our salary is higher than theirs? I doubt so.
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my points of argument is not purely salary its liased with purchasing power..... which the latter is more appropriate if we discuss about the costs of living ....... rm 3k salary can buy rm 4 per meal, can easily survived and got saving ...... compare with rm 3k salary can buy rm 6 per meal means purchasing power is lower....... i will prefer we can control the inflations and workout a formula (personal spending) to adapt to the money we earned monthly which most of the ppl is fixed unless is commisions based workers .......
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 15 2012, 05:00 PM)
With more automation, jobs will be getting lesser and lesser, whether we like it or not. IMO, there is no way to increase jobs but still possible to maintain jobs. Salary is one thing, the main thing is every govt in the world are actually spending the citizen's retirement fund. They spend it and hope to use the new generations' fund to cover the old one, but not enough, so extending the retirement age will be the only way. In Malaysia, we can still withdraw at 55, as of today, but in US, you will get penalty if you withdraw before the official retirement age. If it only happens in Malaysia, yes, it is low salary. Now in fact it has already happen to US and Euro Zone. Our salary is higher than theirs? I doubt so.
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That's why foreign investment into our country is very important. BN (got help from advisors TTB/Ajib's bro in CIMB etc) is on the right track aggressively inviting foreign investors to come in our country. This is the only way to increase jobs in the country without spending too much of our own money (be it from EPF or so). Look at SG and we all know how many Malaysians are now there working. Singapore has massive foreign investments and therefore created much more jobs than their citizens need.

One of the major issue of western countries is that they don't save, they just spend. That's why China is so rich now. It's basically these rich western economy (with high salary) giving money to China from their very high purchasing power. On the other hand, created lots of jobs for China to produce products for the westerners to buy.


Added on August 15, 2012, 5:14 pm
QUOTE(cwhong @ Aug 15 2012, 05:05 PM)
my points of argument is not purely salary its liased with purchasing power..... which the latter is more appropriate if we discuss about the costs of living ....... rm 3k salary can buy rm 4 per meal, can easily survived and got saving ...... compare with rm 3k salary can buy rm 6 per meal means purchasing power is lower....... i will prefer we can control the inflations and workout a formula (personal spending) to adapt to the money we earned monthly which most of the ppl is fixed unless is commisions based workers .......
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Last time when I were in the US college, my room mate, an American, basically have zero savings. He just work part-time in the school's canteen, and got free food from it, and then spend ALL of his salary to buy bags, clothes, magazines etc. Each month, he has zero savings. If next month he not working, he will come to me asking me to borrow him some money to buy soap etc. And how old was he? 25 year old, a rather old undergrad student who suppose to be mature. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(cwhong @ Aug 15 2012, 05:00 PM)
yok, once mention msports close green immediately so keng ahhh...... call more often pls notworthy.gif
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i no good at this. pana gold finger stronger. but this is red-chip, "investors" won't like it. biggrin.gif


Added on August 15, 2012, 5:19 pmMalaysia 2Q GDP grows 5.4% vs 4.9 in 1Q. icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...s-49-in-1q.html


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any tanjung offshore berhad shareholders here? wat's going on with the restricted offer for sale stuff?
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 15 2012, 05:11 PM)
One of the major issue of western countries is that they don't save, they just spend. That's why China is so rich now. It's basically these rich western economy (with high salary) giving money to China from their very high purchasing power. On the other hand, created lots of jobs for China to produce products for the westerners to buy.
Westerners don't save because they pay high taxes, and get pension in return.
Chinese save a lot partly because of traditional values, and partly because they have neither pension plan nor medical insurance coverage.
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CIMB quarterly result was out, yoy EPS up 14.4%.............EPS 14.93c
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Today got anyone bring back gold bar? Seems like yellow man brought home some biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 15 2012, 05:34 PM)
Today got anyone bring back gold bar? Seems like yellow man brought home some biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ Aug 15 2012, 04:56 PM)
in those advance country, they prefer senior citizen to work as toll operator, cashier and restaurant worker.

But in Malaysia, due to cheap labor, who want to hire those senior citizen with low productivity hmm.gif
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In SG, they have the rule to hire old people to work as those. But in majority of the developed nation, there is no such rule, that's why every1 is scrambling for those jobs, but the youngsters there don't like to do the dirty job, although I must admit, the pay for these dirty jobs are not low.


Added on August 15, 2012, 5:55 pm
QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 15 2012, 05:11 PM)
That's why foreign investment into our country is very important. BN (got help from advisors TTB/Ajib's bro in CIMB etc) is on the right track aggressively inviting foreign investors to come in our country. This is the only way to increase jobs in the country without spending too much of our own money (be it from EPF or so). Look at SG and we all know how many Malaysians are now there working. Singapore has massive foreign investments and therefore created much more jobs than their citizens need.

One of the major issue of western countries is that they don't save, they just spend. That's why China is so rich now. It's basically these rich western economy (with high salary) giving money to China from their very high purchasing power. On the other hand, created lots of jobs for China to produce products for the westerners to buy.


Added on August 15, 2012, 5:14 pm

Last time when I were in the US college, my room mate, an American, basically have zero savings. He just work part-time in the school's canteen, and got free food from it, and then spend ALL of his salary to buy bags, clothes, magazines etc. Each month, he has zero savings. If next month he not working, he will come to me asking me to borrow him some money to buy soap etc. And how old was he? 25 year old, a rather old undergrad student who suppose to be mature.  hmm.gif


Added on August 15, 2012, 5:15 pm

i no good at this. pana gold finger stronger. but this is red-chip, "investors" won't like it.  biggrin.gif


Added on August 15, 2012, 5:19 pmMalaysia 2Q GDP grows 5.4% vs 4.9 in 1Q.  icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...s-49-in-1q.html
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I think China is govt rich, citizen poor, while in US, many of the citizens still able to survive, but yeah, the westerners don't save as much, but more obvious in US due to the banking rules over there, while the Eurozone people still save a lot. Asians are slower to be independent, thus, the working generation now will be sandwich in between their parents and children. In many of the western nations, once you are 18, you are on your own, but here, imagine during my uni time, almost all of my friends getting allowance from family. I think I was the rare one having to work part time to earn my living.

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 15 2012, 05:52 PM)
I think China is govt rich, citizen poor, while in US, many of the citizens still able to survive, but yeah, the westerners don't save as much, but more obvious in US due to the banking rules over there, while the Eurozone people still save a lot. Asians are slower to be independent, thus, the working generation now will be sandwich in between their parents and children. In many of the western nations, once you are 18, you are on your own, but here, imagine during my uni time, almost all of my friends getting allowance from family. I think I was the rare one having to work part time to earn my living.
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ya, all depends on parents one. just graduated already got parents bought them new car. And the youngsters who earn 2-3k a month can change smartphone yearly and buy ipad, can afford go coffee bean few times a week. And many of them expect the first installment of their first house to be paid by their parents as well. It's expected, if parents did not buy, they even not happy. nod.gif

they are so weak. But you are the strong one, started work early. thumbup.gif

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