Resolved.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Aug 5 2013, 06:50 PM

awesome

Kudos for stepping up in this matter.if the previous owner is behaving like that then probably he was the one that cheated at the first place. It's pretty obvious now.

This post has been edited by lucifah: Aug 6 2013, 05:28 AM

Good that you own up to the issue although it is now redirected to another party.

You bought the lens 1st May, You advertised 2nd May, 3rd May sold to Izwan? What's wrong with the lens?

Too soft for my liking, funding for another. As stated in my sales thread.

To be exact, its too soft when wide open (f/1.4) and not sharp enough for my liking.

well this embarrasing....

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Added on August 4, 2012, 5:51 pmif u said buy from salvatore...why wrote demo unit on receipt...? rite now u r looking more idiot than ur look.......

This post has been edited by kazibul: Aug 4 2012, 05:51 PM

Sorry, can't understand

hehehe..i understand why u dun understand...

I doubt u bought the lens @ RM800....u said u COD with him...so u already knew it's a demo unit...receipt stated RM799...and furthermore u should have stated in your selling thread that its a demo unit since u already knew from the first place...

wrong user tot...complaining against izwan

This post has been edited by herojack41: Aug 5 2012, 10:07 AM

Don't you think it is your responsibility to settle it with your buyer and chasing your seller should be a separate issue? Basically, it sounds like the first seller salvator (dunno if he is the owner) sold it off knowing it was screwed up, you bought it and realised it too, then tried to manipulate another buyer into buying it.

Settle with Izwan first. No more delay. Your problem with Salvator is your responsibility. Not Izwan's.

You can doubt all you want. Like you said, god knows the truth.

So are you implying Izwan is trying to goreh money out of rich kids?

silverfire you need to be professional. refund izwan first

Why are you involving Izwan in your dispute between salvator?

Even if you opened up this dispute, it is 3 months too late already.

Bro am happy to hear that u grew ur balls atlast after izwan vs silver fire
This shows ur responsible n accepting the problem n helping Izwan now.

Cheers.
Find the salvator and

Wait, so now you're saying Izwan's dispute is 2 months too late? How can I not involve Izwan in this? He has the lens, he has the 1st police report and both Nikon report. What I see now is working adult bullying/intimidating a student into paying him.

Look, if salvator does not claim responsibility, I have no money to refund Izwan. I'm not doing business on LYN, I'm neither a shop nor company, not earning or anything. What Izwan can do now to get back his money and prove that that lens indeed is still the same lens, he has to get that name on the 1st report from Nikon.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Aug 5 2012, 02:27 PM

Unfortunately, I do not have such a photo. I guess its the perfect opportunity for people to rip off me.

How do we know salvator is the one who sold you the lens? Salvator already edited the thread that there are no more details of the item being sold.

Also, even if nikon reveal the 1st owner name later, how do we know if salvator used a different name to claim warranty thus not matching his real name in Lyn? Serial number is still the best.

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Added on August 5, 2012, 2:43 pmSadly, people see this case as a student knowingly trying to cheat a working adult into buying a faulty product.

This post has been edited by sengih: Aug 5 2012, 02:43 PM

Hello dumbdumb, Izwan bought the lens FROM YOU not the first owner. You have to settle it with Izwan!

So salvator is your friend

Kudos to Silverfire? LOL

Yeap...an accomplice

Serial number? I don't recognise that serial number.

Can Izwan prove that its the same lens I sold him? No.
Does the receipt have the serial number of lens or my name on it? No.
Does the first service invoice have my name on it? No.

So you guys ask me to ask first owner for clarification. When I do, he's an accomplice.

Kudos to all the assholes here.

You got nuked so bad because your statement keep contradicting your other statement. Obviously you going to get nuked by everyone mate.

salvator just called me told the maximum he'd refund is RM300. Consequently, I can refund Izwan that amount and Izwan can keep the lens.

If Izwan cannot agree to that amount, Izwan can(if yet) file a police report against me and I can file a police report against salvator. As simple as that.

This post has been edited by Silverfire: Aug 5 2012, 05:14 PM

Like what?

RM500. Deal? Considering u're still a student...and that lens u can keep...it's useless already...

Are you trying to imply that TS was trying to frame you using the Same model lens you sold him and with the Exact serial number? Too many coincidences ,you yourself would know its impossible.

Please consider my offer

Check the post 24.

Final? Because I wont accept the refund from salvator if you do not agree to that amount and if salvator do not agree to the amount you demand, the police station will be the first place I'm visiting tomorrow.


I have no record for the serial number to begin with.


Sorry, I really don't get the pun.

RM300 not enough...

Seriously I don't understand why you all so love to nuke Silver...
Go clarify with the 1st owner if he got any serial number; or maybe to admit the warranty WAS already void.

1st of whatever (EVERYTHING) discussed in both treads can be manipulated and god knows the truth.

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Added on August 5, 2012, 10:44 pmAnd I would never see a conmen who really want to con you, still keeping everything updated, show himself in facebook/forum, kept original thread unedited, and the list go on...
IF I were the con man I wont even appear here to even let you nuke me...

This post has been edited by IamNOT: Aug 5 2012, 10:44 PM

To answer your questions,

First of all,how TS confronts with the original owner if TS isn't the person who deal with him and doesn't even know him at all. 'Salvator' known as the original owner was revealed after countless complaints have been made towards Silverfire. At least for me, I never ever thought Silverfire as a conman but he's indeed at fault for selling it unintentionally w/ knowing it was already faulty and not to refund TS.

"IF I were the con man I wont even appear here to even let you nuke me..." Not relevant to the case but here you go since you have asked http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2163000 A great example for you to refer.

Totally agree

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Added on August 6, 2012, 12:06 am

By mrnastey at 2012-08-05



Wow bro...is it a coincidence your successful tradelist same design with silverfire??

This post has been edited by Izwan898: Aug 6 2012, 12:10 AM

You should refund full amount of what TS had paid you. Not 1 cent less. Both salvator and you (if salvator really do exist) have a lot more to lose with the police investigations and all.

thats why i like LYN civil court

Have already texted salvator.

Hi silverfire...desperate to defend urself? kuikuikuikui....

I have to admit I copied the format from Silver (with his permission) when I started playing around at Low Yat forum. What make you say we are the same person... @.@

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Added on August 6, 2012, 9:20 amAnd please don't deviate, If it was sent to warranty by the previous owner, the owner should knows.

This post has been edited by IamNOT: Aug 6 2012, 09:20 AM

I have been watching from the sidelines, but I do wonder why the "police report" thing is being bandied around, because it is quite clear that this is a trade dispute. This is not a case of cheating, so at most the police would shrugged an say this is a civil court matter. You are arguing about quality of goods here.

Commenters here seems to be taking sides, allegations and just pouring fuel on fire.

If buyer really want to settle this in a fair and just manner, go an argue your case at TTPM. Filing cost you what, RM5? Argue your case till you are blue there. And yes, you can actually sue a person in tribunal, since you are by definition a consumer. The judgement can be enforced.

Don't think thats powerful enough, you file a tuntutan kecil in Majistret Court. Cost would be around RM100, which the loser would pay.

The only reason you want to file a police report is if you are trying to force the issue outside of actual Malaysian legal channels.

To seller :-

Same avenue is open to the seller against his supplier.

Then probably can stop all this arguments.

Yes but it is advised by the police to file a report first. Next step is TTPM.

Silverfire, please remove the tag from your signature.
You are no longer a Safe Trader & using the tag without actually being one is not allowed.

I'm telling you this upfront before you receive a warning from the forum admins.

This post has been edited by sHawTY: Aug 6 2012, 10:59 AM

Don't know who adviced you, but you never need to file a police report before TTPM. You can just file there straight away.

Too much chit-chat for me.

Someone dumb enough to trying to get away from clear-cut con. Good luck with that. You may escape from police (thanks to their superb efficiency) but one one gonna believe you forever, at least in Lowyat.NET forum.

This implies for either one of you. Judge yourself.

It seems that salvator no longer bother to reply at all. Pretty safe to assume he's ran out on me.

and i tot he's ur fren..
go and meet his/her parents then..
explain the truth and ask for advice..
if he refuse, lodge a police report...

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Added on August 25, 2012, 8:06 amand i tot he's ur fren..
go and meet his/her parents then..
explain the truth and ask for advice..
if he refuse, lodge a police report...

This post has been edited by tech_frix: Aug 25 2012, 08:06 AM

The dude has reactivated his Facebook page @ http://www.facebook.com/JonCStudio

go make some noise at his page bro.. it always works

Wouldn't be of any help. It seems he closed his page again.

Information of known associate James is updated on the first post.

I found his postal address.

I just want to post an update regarding this matter. A friend of salvator contacted me and told me his friend did a stupid thing. He made a full refund to me and told him not to further shame his friend by having his photo posted here thus I removed it years back when he made me the refund.