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post Aug 6 2012, 12:26 PM

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what's the diff wif firestorm booster and stuffs in this link? any1?

http://www.fuelsaving.info/ignition.htm
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post Aug 6 2012, 12:28 PM

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Front n rear Struts noramlly wat brand is good??peice is around?? For saga flx need fix how many on it...


Added on August 6, 2012, 12:39 pmFront n rear Struts noramlly wat brand is good??peice is around?? For saga flx need fix how many on it...

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post Aug 6 2012, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:26 PM)
what's the diff wif firestorm booster and stuffs in this link? any1?

http://www.fuelsaving.info/ignition.htm
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Very enlightening read there... rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 6 2012, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:26 PM)
what's the diff wif firestorm booster and stuffs in this link? any1?

http://www.fuelsaving.info/ignition.htm
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In theory :

1. The article claims that modern ignition coil can ignite 99% of the fuel in the combustion chamber. I dunno about that, but one of the Firestorm's claim is that it encourages a more complete burn.

2. In a stock ignition, fuel-air mixture is ignited at the point of the spark, and propagates outwards to combust the rest of the mixture. Because a ignition booster creates a larger spark, more portions of the mixture is ignited at once, hence combustion is faster.

Again, this is just theory. Practically speaking, V12k and kenjilew who tested it claims there are slight improvements, so maybe our stock ignition is not that good, or it's all just placebo, it's up to you to judge.

I should mention that it is not all positive feedback from the seller's thread, so each car may react differently.

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post Aug 6 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 6 2012, 12:51 PM)
In theory :

1. The article claims that modern ignition coil can ignite 99% of the fuel in the combustion chamber. I dunno about that, but one of the Firestorm's claim is that it encourages a more complete burn.

2. In a stock ignition, fuel-air mixture is ignited at the point of the spark, and propagates outwards to combust the rest of the mixture. Because a ignition booster creates a larger spark, more portions of the mixture is ignited at once, hence combustion is faster.

Again, this is just theory. Practically speaking, V12k and kenjilew who tested it claims there are slight improvements, so maybe our stock ignition is not that good, or it's all just placebo, it's up to you to judge.

I should mention that it is not all positive feedback from the seller's thread, so each car may react differently.
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I'm just afraid that it will actually promote knock in the engine

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post Aug 6 2012, 12:56 PM

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i was interested with FS actually but heard from few mechanic, they said it really does increase the performance, but the cons, our piston wall can't stand that heat for long term and result in piston kaput and the side effect to our engine as well... lastly, our pocket also koyak, need to replace this and that... so after hear from them, feel afraid to install one...
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QUOTE(FreakyRookie @ Aug 6 2012, 12:28 PM)
Front n rear Struts noramlly wat brand is good??peice is around?? For saga flx need fix how many on it...


Added on August 6, 2012, 12:39 pmFront n rear Struts noramlly wat brand is good??peice is around?? For saga flx need fix how many on it...
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Front struts I recommend 3max since it is 4 point vs UR which is 2 points.

Rear struts can be 3max or UR depending on your preference. There are a few other bars by UR for the Saga (room bar, side bars, rear antiroll bar, lower brace bar etc. etc.). Each will affect your handling differently.

We are currently runnin a bulk for 3max FSB and RSB, RM140 and RM120 respectively.
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:00 PM

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sorry if my statement below offend you reapers ,
i just wanted to say , you in real life , got quite some similarity with your avatar , quiet look alike
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(li_5997 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:55 PM)
I'm just afraid that it will actually promote knock in the engine

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I can't see how it can cause knocking unless it can change the ignition timing blink.gif
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:01 PM

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So ood lar u guys, talk about kedit kad sumore. Me all these while use kesh saje
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:56 PM)
i was interested with FS actually but heard from few mechanic, they said it really does increase the performance, but the cons, our piston wall can't stand that heat for long term and result in piston kaput and the side effect to our engine as well... lastly, our pocket also koyak, need to replace this and that... so after hear from them, feel afraid to install one...
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Haha, there really is no way to prove or dis-prove this.

The same for any performance mods, be ready for any consequences, like you wanna pakai performance air filters, be prepare to have more fine dust enter your engine.
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:56 PM)
i was interested with FS actually but heard from few mechanic, they said it really does increase the performance, but the cons, our piston wall can't stand that heat for long term and result in piston kaput and the side effect to our engine as well... lastly, our pocket also koyak, need to replace this and that... so after hear from them, feel afraid to install one...
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You making me worried... but a lot ppl using it dont have that problem also.... takut laaa
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 6 2012, 01:01 PM)
So ood lar u guys, talk about kedit kad sumore. Me all these while use kesh saje
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Kesh bagus. Less unplanned spending.

Well maybe not applicable to you, especially at EA. rclxub.gif
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:21 PM

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yawn.gif no FS for me for the time being. No money to mod car liao. Dun have hai limit prasstic kad like you guys all richfag. Only kad kedit I have is RM2000 limit masterkad for petrol+insurance nia.

Need to save money for side lower bar whistling.gif Btw, this saturday may be able to join you guys icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 6 2012, 01:21 PM)
yawn.gif no FS for me for the time being. No money to mod car liao. Dun have hai limit prasstic kad like you guys all richfag. Only kad kedit I have is RM2000 limit masterkad for petrol+insurance nia.

Need to save money for side lower bar whistling.gif Btw, this saturday may be able to join you guys icon_idea.gif
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Did EA quote you on the side lowers? I am intereseted as well...
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post Aug 6 2012, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Aug 6 2012, 02:23 AM)
NGV?!!??!?!  shakehead.gif OK. Here is the deal, I'm no mechanic, I can only answer based on my experience.

The only NGV I played with is a WAGA with campor engine. Came with a missle arm switch
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When running on gas, RPM goes slightly higher around 1100rpm, whereas petrol is 800rpm. So, easy to say there must be something intervene the throttle body to suck more air+gas on the GAS idling speed. So, below are the fact and point as I can remember:

1) Gas idling vacuum pull more, suck more gas than petrol to keep the engine running
2) Petrol driven campor engine, normal idling vacuum is around 17in/hg only
3) When applied load(driving for example), vacuum reading shoot up near to 0, once smooth cruising will maintain around 20in/hg when running on gas
4) When applied load, vacuum reading able to maintain within 5~15in/hg when running on petrol. Unless you slam on the accelerator, very rare to see 0 vacuum.

The above should be NORMAL setup for gas/petrol powered motor. As for troubleshooting...

1) On idling, vacuum ranging 15~23 is very healthy engine.
2) On idling, with aircond compressor vacuum drop 2~3in/hg is very normal as part of the torque went supply cooling effect(GaGa's SANDEN compressor is differernt story)
3) On idling, vacuum reading should be STABLE.
4) On idling, if vacuum reading flicker meaning 1 of more valve couldn't close tight
5) On idling, vacuum reading goes above 10in/hg(less than 10) meaning there is a leak somewhere
6) On idling, vacuum point to 0. Your car can't move at all. Even if it move, either instant die off or continue drive slow + hutan bakar effect
7) On normal driving, during pickup vacuum went above 10in/hg(less than 10) is very normal, as long as the car cruising smoothly, vacuum reading should drop down between 10~15in/hg.
8) When driving, above 10in/hg burning rich. Petrol/gas burnt out of nothing below I guess?
9) When driving, between 10~20in/hg is burning stoich. Efficient.
10) When dirving/downhill, vacuum drop below 25in/hg is burning lean... result is...
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Source from Urbandictionary

Hope this help. I'm no sifu, but I normally clutch the car during downhill(provided the road is clear and not in a corner).
All having the same whistling sound as expected due to paper filter restriction. As long as windspeed does not compromise, rest assured is clean cabin and longer lasting cooling coil.

Rust proofing... don't know. I got no warranty, so never bother to find out. Let others to take this.
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Hi, thanks for the write up. My car is all normal. Well, there's just one part which I think there's a typo?

QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Aug 6 2012, 10:47 AM)
Firestorm Ignition Booster
Bulk price RM220 / RM230 (with postage) - Minimum order for bulk price = 5 orders
Closing date 22 August 2012

1. li_5997
2. kenjilew
3. manubis
4. coolkwc (Postage to JB) [PAID]
5. A573154
6. calvin_kenni [PAID]
7. chuck PIS
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Can the Persona fuse box be closed after installing the firestorm?
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 6 2012, 01:25 PM)
Did EA quote you on the side lowers? I am intereseted as well...
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He quote me 298, diskaun 10, +12 installation, all in 300 if I'm not mistaken.

Drexchan from EA autoworks wave.gif fai tit cum clarify. Dun later I promote wrong price u cum fuck gao me
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QUOTE(li_5997 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:55 PM)
I'm just afraid that it will actually promote knock in the engine

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knocking has more got to do with octane level, not the sparks from spark plugs.

QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Aug 6 2012, 12:56 PM)
i was interested with FS actually but heard from few mechanic, they said it really does increase the performance, but the cons, our piston wall can't stand that heat for long term and result in piston kaput and the side effect to our engine as well... lastly, our pocket also koyak, need to replace this and that... so after hear from them, feel afraid to install one...
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This product has been thoroughly tested for 3 years before begin on sale to the public. Of coz there's always the if it is good why manufacturer don't use it yada yada argument and one point to counter that claim is perhaps the bureaucracy within automotive industry that make the company who pioneered this decide to stay away and goes to the mainstream consumer instead.

I was first introduced to the device on December last year. I only decided to get it on July. More than 6 months to do reviews and gather feedbacks. One of the BLM club member already has the device for more than a year and apart from spark plug change at every interval, no major problems reported so far.

No matter how experienced a mechanic was, he is still a mechanic, and hence whatever the mechanic said regarding a product which he never probably see or feel before, can be taken with a pinch of salt. How can you pass on a judgement so quickly without even experiencing the product?

QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 6 2012, 01:53 PM)
Hi, thanks for the write up. My car is all normal. Well, there's just one part which I think there's a typo?
Can the Persona fuse box be closed after installing the firestorm?
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I'm not very sure bout this.... but for the Saga, yes it can. flex.gif

If the Persona shares the same fusebox design as the saga, then it is plausible.
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Aug 6 2012, 01:53 PM)
Hi, thanks for the write up. My car is all normal. Well, there's just one part which I think there's a typo?
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Depends on how u interpret it. I write figure better for your understand:

When driving between 0-10in/hg is burning rich.

When driving between 11-20in/hf is stoich. A/F nisbah ngam-ngam. Fuel itself act as coolant to chill down the burning temperature.

When driving 25/26/27/28/29/30in/hg, this is burning lean(exclude idling). Lean burning creates hai heat!

When cruising downhill, wheel momentum will tarek the driveshaft, driveshaft tarek final gear, final gear tarek back clutch, clutch spin flywheel, flywheel pusing crankshaft, crankshaft tarik conrod, conrod turun with piston, piston tarek angin... blink.gif at this time gas pedal sudah lepas, minyak/gas talak masuk, tapi piston tarek angin kuat, bila piston naik sampai abih on top of the combustian chamber, heated oxigen + minimum idling fed amount of A/F will ignite either by sparkplug or self ignite if RON too low. Normally during downhill, vacuum will hit 26in/hg, dangerously lean. Some said during downhil their temperature gauge shows temperature drop, now I dare not to say I'm right. Does the water temperature sambung at radiator tank? Or inside the combustian chamber? If your engine burning lean become very hot IN the combustian chamber, will you know it by reading the radiator tank?

Genting uphill might not kill the car; most probably downhill.

My usual YAB style David Singahlingam reply. Correct me if I'm wrong. U fren2 with Gajah a not? Next time come TT lar, in the end we're Campor brothers mar
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post Aug 6 2012, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Aug 6 2012, 05:49 AM)
Hi Bro...
Fyi me hv used this method b4, too. Simple, easier way to get a good proper tap.  rclxms.gif
This sp "wire tapper" cuts thru the insulation of the wires to get a good contact & is cover-protected from accidental shorting.  thumbup.gif

Ole way is to manually strip part of insulation of 1st wire  to join the 2nd wire to it.  sweat.gif

Most ppl now juz push in the 2nd wire into socket of connector of the 1st wire...NO "cutting" at all!!  whistling.gif
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Ah.. good advice. Thanks so much

anyway, doesn't the method that "clip" the 2 wires together as shown in the video considered at cutting wire?

like that won't woid warranty kah?

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