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post Oct 10 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 10 2012, 09:23 AM)


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unless you live in the pyrenees or the alps where you try a kamikaze descent and super late braking on the long fast descents... i believe the wheels of late 1 or 2 years have advanced to the point where cracks, delamination, blow outs have been eliminated or reduced provided you used the correct brake pads recommended by the manufacturer of the wheel....

if worried, stick back to alloy rims... they are safe and has good wet braking performance...a little weight has never hurt anyone...

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 10 2012, 09:40 AM)
our normal rides and descents are usually safe on carbon clinchers. except genting descent, i doubt it. but, we can no longer go up genting, so no problem.

however advanced the carbon clinchers, stopping power is still not at par with alu rims. and some carbon rim n pads combo squeal when u brake.

by the way, have u ever looked at a rider's face when his carbon wheels hit a pothole?
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Just curious if u guys ride carbon clincher currently or just alu clinchers?


Added on October 10, 2012, 9:09 pmFor me in my opinion, if wanted to buy full carbon wheel i rather buy a tubular carbon wheel instead of clincher as to avoid those heat issues but as we discussed few page before it sucks when tubs tire puncture... Sigh... decisions deicisions, is my lightweight-ness had effect on performace on carbon clincher?

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post Oct 10 2012, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 10 2012, 09:44 PM)
i ride alu clinchers. previous wheelset was alu clinchers, new wheelset also alu clinchers. when i was in the process of deciding what i would buy, i did contemplate on getting a set of carbon clinchers. then i thought it would a hassle to change brake pads, since i would be using my old wheelset as well. so i moved on to carbon/alu wheels. ditched it, because carbon/alu wheels were too heavy, not worth the price. so finally,i chose normal alu clinchers

some of my friends have both tubs n clinchers. clinchers for normal ride n training. tubs are for their race days.
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So you are currently using the like of FR0 or Ksyriums lor?

For me i was thinking saving up the carbon clincher &tubular combo wheel set for my second better bike rolleyes.gif For now i just stick with FR1.
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post Oct 10 2012, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 10 2012, 09:52 PM)


jus find a pair i like and i'll stick with it... my next adventure will be heading in velocity's direction.. want to try a pair of their A23 as opposed to HED Ardennes... i've been having a couple of mail conversations with the australia guys over the past couple of months and they can custom build a set to my requirements instead of their standard specs...i think it should be a worthy investment despite the quite steep pricing..
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Thanks for the advice. icon_rolleyes.gif

Pity my bike shop dont carry velocity wheel eventhough. The bike shop near my house actually carrier velocity wheels but dislike the way they treat me. mad.gif

Pity velocity did not sell the wheel directly to customer, the head office is located in the same city as i am shocking.gif
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post Oct 11 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 10 2012, 10:24 PM)
dun be itchy lar miao... Ksyrium SL is enuf adi...
velocity has a lot of shops in aussie.. and i am not sure if they actually ship it by mail to inland officially? but one of my questions to them was whether if they could ship it to my friend so he can bring it back when he comes back to malaysia and they say it is possible...
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Make sure ask them ship to your friend within one month before he left aussie for kl. Your friend can claim GST tax off the wheel within one month of invoice date of issue. That what i did when i and bought and carry and claim my FR1 (and assortment of small item) back to KL(and back to aussie), small amount claimed back but better than nothing man thumbup.gif apart the hassale of carrying wheel to and fro..

Not sure about Velocity themselves will conduct the sales, but maybe yours special case so they close one eye. If i were same situation as u, they will direct me to a nearest dealer to do the purchase as they not allowed to sell directly to me. Some stupid aussie law actually rclxub.gif


Added on October 11, 2012, 12:50 am
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 10 2012, 10:18 PM)
if u have only one bike, u can only choose to have either wheels with carbon brake track or alu

SO, if i were u,

if i were to choose wheels with carbon brake track, i'd go with zipp 303 carbon clincher. or easton

if alu brake track, i'd be content with the FR1
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I will stick to FR1 for now since i had that wheel edi, like you said i not ready to change the brakes wheever i changed between aluminium and carbon wheel. I most prob get it when i get second bike smile.gif

ENVE smart wheels are quite a hit hear in my lbs, i did not go much into it as I not intend to buy any carbon wheel at that time. The shop owner told me its only useful if i ride 35kmh or more for deep dish wheel

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post Oct 11 2012, 08:25 PM

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Frankly speaking only Armstrong himself knows the truth. Whatever happend to him its not really my business. Just sick of Armstrongfag praising him that he is innocent bla bla... Looking forward for the unfolding drama icon_idea.gif

I had one of his book which is more or less guide of being a good cyclist like him.. Too bad he did not share the secrets of doping cry.gif

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post Oct 12 2012, 01:16 PM

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my armstrong Performance Program book cost about 15 ringgit shipped to me in australia. hell the bookstore here selling the same book for AUD40 yawn.gif

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post Oct 14 2012, 06:39 PM

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Aussie cycling scene was in chaos after GreenEdge DS admited to doping during Armstrong era... Its being hoo-haa time in aussie cycling scene.

Just being curious, BMC race machine is more stiff than Team machine slr right? That mean the ride will be harsher in long distance race? Does it make things worse with my lightweight?

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post Oct 14 2012, 09:29 PM

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Does, BMC and Trek had good warranty support in KL?
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QUOTE(minizian @ Oct 14 2012, 06:39 PM)
Aussie cycling scene was in chaos after GreenEdge DS admited to doping during Armstrong era... Its being hoo-haa time in aussie cycling scene.

Just being curious, BMC race machine is more stiff than Team machine slr right? That mean the ride will be harsher in long distance race? Does it make things worse with my lightweight?
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 14 2012, 09:37 PM)
support means your relationshio with the shop...

as of time of writing, there is a trek concept shop in kl called treknology... if you buy your trek from elsewhere... hard to tell...

as for bmc, a rumor is popping up that they are sourcing a local dealer to take up a bmc concept shop here... what happens is anyones guess with bmc
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Support as in like if shit happend to my bmc/trek frame and some specific brand stuff the shop able to source for it in short time. I can see trek and bmc is very well represented here in aussie but not sure in KL. I probably will be back in KL for good 1/2 years time so that whyi just checking around. No point buy a good frame but support like shit in kl.

Is Bikepro carrying BMC? I know that they are carrying Time and Scott bike. I actually sort of like building relationship with that unker as i bought small stuff like shoes and clothing. Because of this i was considering getting Time RXRS from my current LBS but budget not enough for now. cry.gif

Butthead, do you mention that one of the BMC with sram red cost around RM15k plus? Do you recalled which model was it?
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post Oct 15 2012, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 14 2012, 10:25 PM)
your weight wil have little or no relation to both the frames unless you are a large and brutish rider... both the frames are fairly comfy as they are not known to be the stiffest in market...

both frames have tcc, the rm01 has it on the fork only while the slr01 is in the fork and frame...

straight answer..if you are worried bout comfort, go wih slr... if you worry bout power transfer... go with rm...


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Ok thank for your words. What up with your preference towards EA90 wheels? hmm.gif I assume praticality reason?

QUOTE(vin_ann @ Oct 15 2012, 10:52 AM)
from what i know, my guessing Trek Malaysia aka Treknology have no good relationship with Trek Singapore where the main distributor are distribute Trek bikes to Malaysia...

My gang, wanted to get Trek 2013 mandone something, cost RM18,000, he made inquiry to Trek Malaysia, no stock off course, Treknology made inquiry and wanted to order the 2013 bike from Trek SG, the Trek SG requested Treknology to pay cash to get the bike... Treknology request my friend to pay the amount to get the bike...

my friend felt not comfortable with the arrangement, and uses this opportunity to cancel the thing! Imagine, pay full amount up front RM18,000 for thing that you not able to see now!

at least Treknology should ask for some deposit... i wonder y they no ask deposit in 1st place... hmmm... or maybe i missed out any part...

anyway, it's my 2cent guessing....

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If its tru its really sucks, i am considering one of the madone together with Time and BMC. Do you know who carries BMC bike here in KL? If i not mistaken KH cycles carries Look and Time bike right?

I am always wonder why cant big company like trek or specialised had direct link to dealer in KL instead of the need of going tru singapore? I know the market here is much more smaller but kinda sucks that had to go tru singapore as middle person.

Same shit happend when buying watches, all the nice stocks are in singapore and not in kl doh.gif



Btw, Matt white did not get sacked. He just step down as DS after confessing he took drug at the armstrong era

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post Oct 15 2012, 03:59 PM

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No wonder i see lots of Spez bike around in KL. Damn my current lbs do not stock Spez. Apprently they used to do it and some prob between them and the shop decide to stop selling it and carry trek bmc and pina etc instead.
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what will u do if u were in my shoes?

Its kinda sucks that the bikeshop in kl will treat me like shit if i bring them the bike (for service) they carried but not bought from them (lets say i got it in aussie). Its kinda sucks man, guessed that how the world goes sad.gif

Oh ya, i did not open any proper "account" with any bikeshop in KL apart from that unker shop where i buy misc items there.

Its kinda odd here in aussie, even "concept" store also carries multiple brands that compete against each other. Guessed maybe its one of the aussie law for that

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Went to my LBS today to window shop for carbon bike. Given them a budget and requirement. BMC road racer they had on sales were not available in my size cry.gif Was looking around and saw this madone 5.9

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Damn it so look good in real life and remind me of radioshit team. The price was 1k more than my targeted budget but my lbs told me that they can work something out with me. The default complete bike came with ultegra di2. They suggested me that i go for mechanical ultegra instead of the DI2 version and ditch the stock bontrager wheel to my fulcrum racing 1 comp wheel. Frankly speaking does internal wiring make life harder for mechanics/me to maintain as compared external wiring system? It may look clean but at expense of making thing harder for mechanics. What did you guys think about it? Shoud i go for mechanical (cheaper) or DI2 version(cheaper long term?)? I have no prob strech my budget to accomadate di2 if required.

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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 16 2012, 02:55 PM)
it's in australia... currency conversion also you die already


Added on October 16, 2012, 5:26 pm

you saw the new 5.9? the one exactly in your picture?

i didn't noticed they up'ed the ante on the 5.9 so much for the new 2013 models... almost everything that is on the 7 is on the 5.9... all the integrated brakes, aero tubing is there except for the 7 series carbon grade and the step joint method...

the 5 series has always been an excellent bike even when the 6 was around... it was made for the people who can't afford the 6 series then but wanted some of the 6 series features.. didn't know they pushed almost all the features they introduced on the 7 all the way down to not only 6 series, but also the 5 series...

for RM1k extra, i'd take the 5 over the road racer... AUD1k, might have to think a bit...

the new 5.9 comes with Bontrager Race Lites... and it seems they too upgraded the entire race lite lineup and introduced wide 23mm rims....and is tubeless ready... weight is not the most interesting, but looking at the fact that it is a tubeless rim, i don't think it is really too heavy...
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Yes u are right its the new 2013 trek madone 5.9. Like some said, it does not happend without picture so this is it after my visit to my lbs today brows.gif :

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Its seriously does look good, my shop had sales older madone 5.9 in Ultegra di2 at my budget reach but the bike colour scheme looks like lower level treks and there are limitation on size choice so its matter of me squeezing into the bike then the bike fitted to me. I also won really feel the difference between the 7 series and 5 series in ride quality but i guessed for sure there are diff compared to my alu bike.

To be hoenst i am leaning towards the 2013 5.9 now, mostly is the colour scheme and the features that are available from the Madone 7 series. What i like is the shop will be able to order me suitable bike size for me should i decide to go for this model. Since ordering this particular build (di2 ultegra) will blow my budget, my lbs told me that probably ditch the DI2 for mechanical version (to be honest i am still unsure to go for mech or di2 rclxub.gif ) and probably use the fulcrum racing 1 that i already owned.

I will just see how it goes and wait for my lbs to give me a call regarding that matter, then i will just discuss with them about that custom build. I have no rush for the bike now as i am more than happy to ride my EMC bike.

Btw, is that race lite wheel 23mm width is the same kind as the velocity a23? I not sure how much does the market value will cost for that wheel. As far i check bontrager us price which around USD350ish, its probably better to keep it as bashing wheel doh.gif

**Oh ya, my 1k is in aud not RM. doh.gif


Added on October 16, 2012, 9:04 pm
QUOTE(shinchan5347 @ Oct 16 2012, 01:57 PM)
Woah how much for the road racer?
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Its on sale at around 3900 AUD. Its on sram red. Guess could get to 3700 if my lbs are good to you or repeat customer or just hard bargaining. If you can claim gst that would be approx 10% off price you paid for the bike it will be better deal too.

Not sure BMC price here in KL but I know that the EMC i got were cheaper than in KL and could be better if i could be able to claim the gst doh.gif I also noticed TIME bikes were cheaper in kl too than my lbs thumbup.gif I not sure about Spez or any other major price in kl.


Added on October 16, 2012, 9:06 pm
QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2012, 10:29 AM)
i'd go with mechanical.

be sure to ask ur LBS for the free EPO. it comes with all trek bikes
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Is it okay why u prefer to go to mechanical way? Is it save cost(i dont mind doing so frankly speaking) or just lighther or (insert here)

Forgot to ask about the EPO thing while i was there doh.gif

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post Oct 16 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2012, 10:08 PM)
i've read positive feedback from di2 users in terms of smooth shifting. i've never ridden it, but i've tried shifting the gears. didn't like it. it felt like pushing a button, no real 'clicking' feel when shifting. that's about it.
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I see, i also feel the same too when i try the ones at the shop. Don have much feedback, like you said just clicking a button, I also don really like the hood shape, i still prefer the older 105/DA/ultegra hood with 10mm spacer in it, feel more flow into it. I think the new hood is adjustable like in sram using hex key ? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2012, 10:12 PM)
do u have to choose shimano? any option to change to sram?

wanna make the leap?
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I am considering it too but frankly speaking not sure which sram to get (red/force rclxub.gif ). Any opinion on that. I am keen on trying on sram since i got edi shimano equiped bike. I waiting the shop to call me up first to discuss about my build. I will see how it goes from there. Not sure when they will call since i told em its not urgent.

Miao are u using sram currently? Any opinion about it.

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2012, 10:23 PM)
i'd go with force. price is cheaper than DA7900, and lighter in weight too! i've never tried sram before. u gotta ask our YB butthead.

my previous groupset was ultegra 6600. then i upgraded to DA7900. the rear shifting is excellent. but not the front shifting. with DA7900, i have to really push the lever as hard if not harder than ultegra 6600, in order to upshift the FD. i thought maybe i was just unlucky to get an imperfect shifter, but then i read a number of reviews with same feedback on DA7900 front shifting.

very disappointed with DA7900. sometimes i regret i didn't make the leap. hahaha....

again, racun diri sendiri
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My shop got DA9000 edi, forgot to take the pic of it. haha

I also felt that the front shifting for 105 is abit hard too, had to push the leaver full swing to get the gear properly shift into the big ring. Not a prob for me as i mostly ride in small chainring.

Isnt Sram had fair share of tiny bits of imprefection too? I know the 2013 sram red address most of the problem but i not sure about the force. I know the new one with zero thing front and rear were released this year but haven seen it at any bike shop here in aussie.

If i not mistaken the new force had the zero loss shift for front and rear.

Butthead pls enlighthen us

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2012, 10:28 PM)
it's not about riding in small or big ring. it's about paying thousands but u get less than perfect products.
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Okay got it smile.gif

Same shit happend to watches too, pay so much for it but dissapointed out of it doh.gif
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 16 2012, 10:31 PM)
i heard DA9000 shifts as good as di2 smile.gif
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i did not ask the folks at my shop about new DA9000 cause i know i wont be getting it anythime soon. doh.gif Apparently the DA7900 is not as good as expected after browisng tru few forums and some compare to the older generation DA prior to the 7900 wink.gif
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Thanks for the link smile.gif

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