Cycling V3, General talks on Racing/road bikes
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 Oct 17 2012, 07:42 AM
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Does Red yaw FD compatable with force shifter and crankset? If i not mistaken it can mix and matched with other sram parts?
Hope they can get hold of the new force at good price for me. What in your opinion you think its the best combo of sram stuff if i should go for sram path. I not keen on red as I don race. Force will be fine for me, i am interested in having red yaw FD too This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 17 2012, 07:45 AM |
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Oct 17 2012, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 17 2012, 09:12 AM) it's an FD after all.. it works irregardless of which SRAM shifter you have... SRAM claims that for best compatibility, you have to use the same Red 2012 shifters... that's their recommendation, but they want to sell products at the end of the day.. whether to believe them or not is up to you... Don think i would need to buy any sram brake as the Madone 5.9 had integrated brake included if i go for the frameset. Apparently the brake its quite good based on the review. Still waiting for my lbs to call me up usually for me, i would go with a complete group + and uprated Caliper and Crankset (FD i usually don't bother, Red 2012 being an exception)... so, in this case...i would take the force and pair them with a full set of Red 2012 FD and Crankset... you get yaw controlled front FD and also a stiffer uprated version of the Red crank and stiffer chain rings than previous models.. trim function on the force shifters is a + depending if you ever need it... the new stiffer chain rings is part of the contribution to the improved chain ring as it prevents flex that was claimed to exist with previous model... hence, some people went to the extreme of mounting SRAM TT rings on the older Red crankarms...again, i don't power shift under high loads... i never felt any flex on my current crank at all, although being a Rival crankset... I did say that i would also uprate the calipers earlier up top... with Red 2012, i haven't tried it before... but i read that some people are not as satisfied with the clamping power of the new aerolink calipers... claiming it is not as powerful as previous Red calipers even after playing around with pad combinations.... i am not too sure about this as i don't usually brake on the limit... the only plus point on the new red caliper would be weight and that slightly funkier look... good or not is up for debate... and it's shit expensive... i'd stick with force calipers if i were you... or if you can spend that much... a pair of eeebrakes @ double the price of Red Aerolink... velonews did a full compatibility test on the Red 2012 mix and match... give it a read... http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/03/new...tibility_209270 Added on October 17, 2012, 9:21 ami already have a Red 2012 FD with chain catcher... being set aside now as i bought it but too lazy to mount it up... also waiting to get my Alligator housings + powercordz from ebay and gonna do it together at the same time... don't want to fray the front cables at the moment... can't tell you for real how much improvement can the new FD be... i jus believe that the new FD should have less chances of chain rub... that's all for me... how stiff it is? is something i don't really worry about... i also have a K Edge chain catcher before i got it... so, the new and improved catcher is not really a selling point for me as well.. jus plainly to reduce chain rub...   |
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Oct 17 2012, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 17 2012, 09:12 AM) it's an FD after all.. it works irregardless of which SRAM shifter you have... SRAM claims that for best compatibility, you have to use the same Red 2012 shifters... that's their recommendation, but they want to sell products at the end of the day.. whether to believe them or not is up to you... Don think i would need to buy any sram brake as the Madone 5.9 had integrated brake included if i go for the frameset. Apparently the brake its quite good based on the review. Still waiting for my lbs to call me up usually for me, i would go with a complete group + and uprated Caliper and Crankset (FD i usually don't bother, Red 2012 being an exception)... so, in this case...i would take the force and pair them with a full set of Red 2012 FD and Crankset... you get yaw controlled front FD and also a stiffer uprated version of the Red crank and stiffer chain rings than previous models.. trim function on the force shifters is a + depending if you ever need it... the new stiffer chain rings is part of the contribution to the improved chain ring as it prevents flex that was claimed to exist with previous model... hence, some people went to the extreme of mounting SRAM TT rings on the older Red crankarms...again, i don't power shift under high loads... i never felt any flex on my current crank at all, although being a Rival crankset... I did say that i would also uprate the calipers earlier up top... with Red 2012, i haven't tried it before... but i read that some people are not as satisfied with the clamping power of the new aerolink calipers... claiming it is not as powerful as previous Red calipers even after playing around with pad combinations.... i am not too sure about this as i don't usually brake on the limit... the only plus point on the new red caliper would be weight and that slightly funkier look... good or not is up for debate... and it's shit expensive... i'd stick with force calipers if i were you... or if you can spend that much... a pair of eeebrakes @ double the price of Red Aerolink... velonews did a full compatibility test on the Red 2012 mix and match... give it a read... http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/03/new...tibility_209270 Added on October 17, 2012, 9:21 ami already have a Red 2012 FD with chain catcher... being set aside now as i bought it but too lazy to mount it up... also waiting to get my Alligator housings + powercordz from ebay and gonna do it together at the same time... don't want to fray the front cables at the moment... can't tell you for real how much improvement can the new FD be... i jus believe that the new FD should have less chances of chain rub... that's all for me... how stiff it is? is something i don't really worry about... i also have a K Edge chain catcher before i got it... so, the new and improved catcher is not really a selling point for me as well.. jus plainly to reduce chain rub... I not sure if they are going to get a prebuilt madone and exchange the Ultegra part to Sram part or just start with bare frameset I got the feeling that the shop will get the prebult madone instead of frameset which should be cheaper for them and me  This is my probable build kit -Force RD, rear gearset, Chainrings and shifter (the newer one if possible) -Red FD/chain catcher, Crankset -Wheels not sure, probabaly use back my FR1 wheel Not sure if i should go for full crankset with 28 - 11 or with the wfli cassate or compact crank. My normal route only have short but steep hills along the way. I was thinking for my new bike i would go for full crankset and leave compact for climbing job on my EMC (there another place which is a proper hill climbing loop) What ya think? This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 17 2012, 08:22 PM |
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Oct 17 2012, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 17 2012, 10:02 PM) sudah tak sabar ya? Yes bro, wonder what suggestion they will come out |
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Oct 17 2012, 10:12 PM
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Yup thinking going for full crankset and play with the cassate according to a given situation.
Btw, if 11-28 are used. Need to add the link on the chains right? |
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Oct 17 2012, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 17 2012, 10:14 PM) huh? what link? that one need to ask our YB la I mean the chains that link the whole system together. hahaThis post has been edited by minizian: Oct 17 2012, 10:22 PM |
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Oct 17 2012, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(hianboy @ Oct 17 2012, 10:19 PM) Testing I am interested in the watch shop beside it. hahaQUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 17 2012, 10:25 PM) whatever the length or cassette combo, u gotta have the link. Do i need to extend the link if i using compact crank 50/34 and using 11/28 cassate? Thinking swap my EMC cassate to better tackle the mountain at my place. Last attempt failed as i had cramp on my leg  Same question applies to full gearing crank and with 11/28 This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 17 2012, 10:39 PM |
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Oct 17 2012, 11:00 PM
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random stuff today, was at free breakfast event to encourage ppl to cycle to work. An ang moh chat with me and asked me why not many asians ride road bike (as in proper road cyclist and not commuter type). What he said is quite true, I rarely see asians riding it apart from my buddies. Apparently most who rode are Singaporean or indonesians. I usually bumped into them more often in the weekend.
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Oct 17 2012, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 17 2012, 11:03 PM) bcoz too mainstream? Maybe not their passions. I bet rich mainlanders will rather spend the $$$ on a expensive car or luxury item than a similar priced bike. I had not doubt they could easily buy the best equipment the money can buy if they are into cycling.For us, i think not much exposure around. Frankly speaking before i came here i dont even bother to watch dauphine libere (many years ago) or Parix roubaix eventhough its broadcasted on Europort on astro. Only big event is Tour de Langkawi and honestly speaking the TV coverage really sucks to the ball in my opinion. Watched the first stage on TV1 this year and told myself never watch again. Rather read the short article at sports section highlighting the event. For singapore ppl, from what my singaporeans friend told me. They had good bikeline here and there around the island which in my opinion good for them. I wished KL had same thing too  I had the impression riding in KL is safe when you are in bunch riding. I feel more worried for me to ride in KL as i more like lone rider or only with 1/2 buddies beside me. Apparently rider got rob if they are riding alone  Overall, i think cycling not really Asian sports if compared to the likes of badminton. Exceptions apply to certain country like Japan which had good rider here and there in the pro peloton. Not having proper cycling infrastructure doesnt help at all too  Malaysia also had good cycling program but more toward track cycling, not sure about road cycling team. Seems to be very quiet about it, i heard one of the malaysian rider name being mentioned by eurosport cometator at the WC road race recently but did not see the footage of them riding the bike.This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 17 2012, 11:25 PM |
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Oct 18 2012, 07:00 AM
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Not sure if u guys can watch this docu.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/201.../11/3608613.htm Added on October 18, 2012, 7:23 am QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 17 2012, 11:38 PM) tats biased... Haha i also get to see those ppl with super duper equipment riding too. Most of it appeared during the weekend. I know someone here who own a business here who had one of the most expensive bike around and did full service every four month most of the now so called riders are equipment obsessed.. at least wat i call it.. they dun like to ride... they jus like to own a ride... hence, why you see many crazy bikes around and i am not sure if they can even afford it in the first place... it'll never grow until the day more people take cycling seriously.. not from a hobby perspective.. but from a sporting perspective all the way to the commuting factors... yeah.. our national tour and it only gets 30minutes highlights on public TV... wat a shame... it used to be the worlds 3rd richest race... i think went as high as UCI ranking 2.2 (read it before, dunno wat that ranking system is) in one of those years long gone ago... I have nothing against it as its his money but i feel like its lebih lor. Mind you he dont race, more like social rider.I think most ppl who rode more empahsize on the bike/equipment/wheels than person engine. Ego is one of the reason. I can see most ppl  when i said my ride is EMC especilly in kl. First thing goes into their brain is BMC Pity my lbs did not carry EMC anymore due to not able to fullfil my lbs order.  my lbs boss told me he returned all the order when emc did not deliver the remaining order requested.Found myself rode faster with my stock wheels than with my fulcrum wheels Average speed is similar but the time taken around the route is faster FR1 still wins on the climbs tho.Checked with my magazine and found that Langkawi tour is still at that UCI rating. Probably the ride was challenging for the cyclist who entered tat why it earned that rating. Sigh.. Guess it need to give it some good publicity by the organiser or the $$ being songlapped for other stuff  QUOTE(miaopurr @ Oct 17 2012, 11:44 PM) 50/34, 12-21 Lance is never in my equation when i am looking at trek, i had to admit the new madone 5-7 series is nice with features and price wise (for madone 5). I just settle with what my bike shop offered. I dont feel like starting a new relationship with another lbs since most i went too treat me one kind (probabaly cos i am asian). Spent half hour looking around and no one come to layan me. Other brands my lbs carried is not in my price range (pina/colnago/bmc) and trek is the one within my reach and its well supported by trek australia. Wished same thing goes too in malaysia Added on October 17, 2012, 11:51 pmhttp://veloclublagrange.wordpress.com/2010/12/18/gears-and-compact-cranks/ Added on October 18, 2012, 12:30 amit has begun! http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/10/fallout/ This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 18 2012, 07:31 AM |
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Oct 18 2012, 07:55 AM
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Wondered if my stock wheel (with med aero profile) helps? Even my riding speed is floating around 30kph?
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Oct 18 2012, 09:16 AM
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cheked again, its around 40 seconds faster than the time i used FR1 over same course.. Must be too hungry for free breakfast
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Oct 18 2012, 01:47 PM
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maio i had posted the link lor.... hahah
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Oct 18 2012, 05:48 PM
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I had 2 sets of Nalini cofidis jersy and bib for RM300. Haven tried it yet as i dont have look bike to complete the package.
Maybe look pedal will do too. Is look pedal that good ar? Some ppl swore to it some ppl don like it. I feel like shimano spd-sl were the kind of stuff where you "put and forget" till the cleat wear out. Dunno should i try look pedal on my future new bike? Added on October 18, 2012, 5:50 pmHad chaimpion sys jersy and bib and jersy with my lbs printed on it, frankly speaking the bib shorts is the most comfy of all i tried. Pity the price my lbs offered is quite steep. Can easy get CS own collection jersy and bibs directly at their webstore half the price of what my lbs offered. This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 18 2012, 05:52 PM |
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Oct 18 2012, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 18 2012, 06:13 PM) between shimano and look... there is really no difference on how the pedals function.. look's selling point over shimano over so long has always been weight... Noticed look pedal are narrower than shimano upper range (105 to DA). Do you think spending on ultegra or DA carbon pedals are wasting of money? After all shimano pedals are heaveast of all brand compared.there is also a slight chance that the look's pedal might crack as it does not use a metal body like shimano to reduce weight... if you crash it in the wrong way and hard enough... the polycarbonate pedal platform might crack... only a very slight chance... cleats wise... i think shimano is cheaper to maintain as keogrip cleats costs in the region of sub 80 over here.... non grip keo cleats less than 50... shimano cleats also around 50... any degree of floats also same price.. |
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Oct 18 2012, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 18 2012, 06:27 PM) look pedal are actually wider on the platform if i am not wrong... Did not know that look is wider than Shimano 105. Wonder should i make the leap for look cleat. Frankly speaking read about teh pedal squaking and req freq maintanace over the durable shimano pedals. i'd say 105 would be a good choice comparing it to R-540... ultegra is spending money where you don't see returns.. DA, even worst... might as well you head to Look Keo 2 Blade Carbon.. Kinda odd to have 2 system side by side. One on my traning bike and one on performance bike This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 18 2012, 06:30 PM |
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Oct 18 2012, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 18 2012, 06:30 PM) i've never have to maintain my look pedals before... also no squeak from my look as far as i can recall when i was using it... How you compare with shim spd-sl as in clip-in and clip-out & general feeling with the look?This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 18 2012, 06:37 PM |
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Oct 18 2012, 06:53 PM
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My shimano 105 pedal is not really tight, only around 5 clicks from full "-" guessed i will keep shim for now for durability and cost reasons. I actually walked alot in clipless pedal shoes too.
Sometime my left leg will get cramp if when i unclip. sucks This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 18 2012, 06:54 PM |
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Oct 18 2012, 06:57 PM
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isnt sucks when u use the cover on without knowing what it was being stepped on? I actually had one for shimano pedals but did not used it after realising i am going to use the same hand to put the cover on to eat sausage muffin from morning market
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Oct 18 2012, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE(butthead @ Oct 18 2012, 07:01 PM) err... there is this thing called a hand wash? Sorry was eating dinner now. What i usually does is take off my riding glove and wash with water from my bottles and wipe with tissue or handkachief.your parents should have taught you to wash your hand whenever you want to put it in your mouth for whatever reasons... Lol at those aerolites, surprised that they are still around even for the obvious short coming Feel like i am trying to be weight weeinies too. Light rider + bike = winnrar |
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