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post Apr 8 2013, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ Apr 8 2013, 03:09 PM)
Job Title :  Software Engineer
Job Desciption : Programming
Years spent in company : almost 2 years
Company :SME
Industry : IT
Tenure : Permanent
Employment Level : Junior
Experience before joining : 1st Job
salary : 3k
Age : 25

Moving to nxt job after 2months, getting 3.7k, fair pay?
Have been working very hard for the past 2 years, current company is offering 4k to have me stay, but i choose to jump with lower pay for better learning opportunity.
My starting salary frm current company is 2.4k, getting more thn 10% increment per year, ppl around me said 10% per year is very good, but refer to the year of exp and salary ppl posting here, even im getting the so call "very good" increment but 10%-15%+ per year, obviously i still cant hit what the salary they are claiming with the same year of exp. Mind to share exp how u guy get the big hop?
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That's y when u hop, u must hop to a better place where u can learn and at the same time pay u more.
Ask for 4k from ur next job.
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post Apr 8 2013, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ Apr 8 2013, 03:46 PM)
i put my expected salary as 4k, they nego to 3.7k. The company is introduce by my frend, i love the environment and they will to giving chances for talented ppl with decent reward according to ur performance (unlike my current company, no shit is given no matter how hard u work and contribute), thats why i accepted the 3.7k, hoping to perform good and get promote. Normally when hoping to nxt job, how many % higher thn current job salary is reasonable as expecting salary?
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That's just company talk
all company when they want you, will say that to you...

if it's up to me, i'll stay firm to my demand.

it's up to u how much is considered ok
depends on how much u think u r worth and how much u r actually worth

u think u r worth 4k
the hiring company thinks u r worth 3.7k
ur ex company thinks u r worth at least 4k

see how they push it to u that u r only worth 3.7k?
go tell the new company, 4k. Stating that ur current company countered offer. lol!
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post Apr 8 2013, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ Apr 8 2013, 04:26 PM)
My frend is oso from IT line, not HR, so he juz telling me what he actually going through there.
I did told their HR i getting 4k counter offer, but they still offering 3.7k. Considering bonus i getting here max will only be 1 month, regardless ur position and performance, so overall the gross at new company is better, as long as u perform good. And considering i will get my expected salary when my probation end. And this is my 1st Job and its SME, converting to MNC, not sure how MNC work, just my presume, that my SME working style might not work in MNC and need time to adapt. Hope my move is correct.
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Since u have made up ur mind. All the best to ur new job then. thumbup.gif
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post Apr 8 2013, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ Apr 8 2013, 04:33 PM)
thanks  tongue.gif
let say im not an extraordinary person where i can get a very big hop in salary every time i jump, wats the normal salary increasing rate? 10%? 20%? 30%? just want to know how the market rate work  tongue.gif
i see some ppl said 30% for each hop, 30% for me seems like too over.
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i'd say 20-30% is pretty fair.
But i'm in construction industry, not sure if it's the same for u.

for ur case, where the increment is ~5%, it's even lower than my yearly increment.
i wouldn't have considered it
but that's for me.....

everyone has a different thinking
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post Apr 8 2013, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(ragk @ Apr 8 2013, 04:45 PM)
hah 5%? mine current is 3k, nxt company offer 3.7k, its 23% lol
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pai seh pai seh...

i got confused with ur 2.4k starting salary, somehow tot u were jumping from 3.5k to 3.7k
my bad. my apologies... sweat.gif

23% is pretty decent i'd say
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post Apr 11 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(BRC @ Apr 11 2013, 09:25 AM)
Really depends on industry
Do more research
You'll be suprised
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that's quite true
depending on industry and the location, the salary range is pretty huge
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post Apr 23 2013, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Apr 23 2013, 08:22 AM)
These day rarely people will get such increment within the same company.

The easy way to get high increment is to jump company, but jump only if you are good in interview/work. Else you just get yourself in trouble.
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can y not?
my increment, within the same company:-

2.2k>2.5k>2.61k>3.2k>3.37k>4k>4.7k

then i left. Kakaka!
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post Apr 23 2013, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Apr 23 2013, 09:33 AM)
I mean rarely not impossible. Seem you had promoted from Jr to Snr Exec.

BTW mind to share your position, experience & what industry also?
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when i was promoted, the increment was from 3.37k to 4k.
I'm a M&E Engineer. Experience, 4 years plus lo. This will my 5th year working.
Industry, construction.
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post Apr 23 2013, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Apr 23 2013, 10:15 AM)
wa u guys not bad le... I guess work in KL more money 1 ler sad.gif
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But working in Kl also need to spend more....
Living expenses is higher comparatively
Cheapest food will be at least RM5, not inclusive of drinks
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post Apr 28 2013, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(samo1390 @ Apr 28 2013, 07:33 PM)
I got offer from a shipbuilding company in Sarawak for a Project Inspector position (inspect shipbuilding) . They offer RM1200 (RM1.2K) per month for first 3 month probation, then slowly increase after that. Is this normal?
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u dun have any qualification?
that's just slightly above our minimum wage of RM900
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post Apr 28 2013, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(samo1390 @ Apr 28 2013, 10:20 PM)
Yes i do. I am Mechanical Engineering fresh graduate. RM1.2k for probation. Mentioned to increase after 3 months probation. Increment depend on performance.
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err....don't u think 1.2k is way too low?
whatever that is informed verbally but not specified in the offer letter, u can just treat it as sweet talk
say they increase 50% after probation, that's just 1.8k man.

i won't take that offer if i were u

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post Apr 29 2013, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(samo1390 @ Apr 28 2013, 11:19 PM)
I'm still considering coz the rest is oil palm. Though higher but no life. Low pay is so typical for "foochow boss". Plus the company is actually owned by my friend's family. Thats why its just "verbally" informed me. Even "verbally bonded" , say expect not to treat it as stepping stone
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that's even worse.
working for ppl u know sometimes isn't that good
most ppl find it really hard to separate the work from the relationship
in the end, the relationship turn sour...

anyhow, u r based in Sarawak? I'm not too sure bout Sarawak rates...maybe others can advise better
i'm based on salaries from Penang & KL
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post May 8 2013, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(twins9 @ May 7 2013, 08:22 PM)
Mech engineer, 27, 3 years experience, Nilai Industrial park, RM4k basic for 6 months probation, Rm1k allowance upon confirmation but no salary increase till 2014.  Is that reasonable pay?
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Meaning increment end of the year la?
that's pretty normal.
you don;t expect companies to give increment every quarter or every half right?
5k for 3 years experience sound pretty good for a mechanical engineer.
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post May 9 2013, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(twins9 @ May 9 2013, 12:23 PM)
Just started work... looks like hampalang sapu type, like from ground level up... also given meal allowance of Rm5 a day at factory canteen only.

RM4k starting till confirmation, then only get the extra Rm1k allowance afer 6 months/ blink.gif   

The thing is the fixed allowance of Rm1k upon confirmation will not have epf, right?  Allowance taxable?

No petrol or toll allowances though unless on official viist to other factories.
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Fixed allowance...if i remember correctly should be with EPF...
and will be taxed
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post May 10 2013, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(BRC @ May 10 2013, 01:34 PM)
O&G no engineers?
dude seriously??? doh.gif
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I think he separated the O&G Engineers as a different level lo.

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post May 13 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ May 13 2013, 11:45 AM)
Got offered for a 5k job back home. Is 5k RM for a civil engineer consultant job in East Malaysia consider normal? 6 years exp. Currently working overseas and Malaysia in and out but looking for opportunity to be full time back home.
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I'd says it's kinda low. but considering it on the east, my manager fren is only getting 7k last year with 10 years exp. So maybe that's the rate there?
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post May 13 2013, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ May 13 2013, 05:19 PM)
Ya the pay there a bit low, like normal rate already, still looking around for the pay rate. Thanks! icon_rolleyes.gif
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How much is the paycut that we are talking here?
Well, earning SGD n then to come back, definitely will need paycut...
assuming it's 2.4, 3k salary in Singapore will give u an equivalent of RM 7.2k already
most companies here will argue that the living expenses here is lower, blah blah blAH...
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post May 14 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(JohnJon82 @ May 14 2013, 12:20 PM)
More than 50% pay cut if consider the exchange rate. The salary number also can't match in my hometown and current pay. Poor place...
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well, the currency xchange itself is already at 150% paycut if 1 to 1
consider your situation at 50% paycut, it isn't that bad.

up to you to decide if the 50% paycut is worth it or not...
the time you will be able to be with your family...
the time u reduce travelling back n forth...


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post May 15 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(akash @ May 15 2013, 09:30 AM)
You Are Absolutely Right...

Previous Work is Based in Sunway and Current Work is in Damansara KL.

That is the current Dilemma i am Facing now....Unable to Decide which one to do first...Due to the fact the work is Contract, having a scared feeling that what if was not renewed and ended the 1 year contract and i purchased and house example..How can i commit to that payment + my other monthly fixed commitment.Since already age 26..I cant be able to afford to carry my file again to get another steady job and repeat the same thing again..

All i want is a steady job i can settle with and continue with my life till i retire...I cant afford to carry file every year and wasting my time,resource and what ever small saving and end up unable to commit to any necessity living needs. i am not young anymore and needs to think about life and future.

Too sacred now. rclxub.gif
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It will never be enough.
do you think you will be satisfied when u earn Rm5k?

it's human nature to strive for more.
what you can do is to live within your means.
earn 3.2k, learn to live with it
lower your expenses, then you will get saving

i survived my first few years in kl at Rm2.5k, i saved 1k...
if i can do it, y not u?
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post May 15 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(akash @ May 15 2013, 09:57 AM)
True true..Agree on that.

Just i am finding different possible ways to lower down expenses.

My main cons are now is i am driving.To be frank, i don't know how to ride bike as i never learnt..Now i am regretting it as traveling with car is costing alot.

Food wise i am already bringing from home so i save from food. Parking is a challenge as i tried to use public transport but failed as no nearby public transport at my working place and my work start etiher 6am/7am.

I do aware i need to live with it by lowering down and also need to move on positively but but its like i am walking on fire now as the job is not secured yet and need to wait a year more to get to know for conversion which i see a few of them here are working good but yet on contractual basis and not converted.
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i ride bike, save on petrol, save on toll, save on parking....
that itself can already reduce at least a few hundred
and convenient, provided u dun stay too far from your work place

now, even in singapore, i ride bicycle to reduce the expenses...
it's possible to reduce, just ur willingness to do so

i've seen ppl staying in JB to reduce rental expenses
waking up at 530 just to travel to work

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