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 Kia K3 aka Kia Forte 2013 !, look naise

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post May 31 2013, 02:11 PM

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Initially i anticipate for this car, but price is disappointing
Have u guys see this? http://paultan.org/2013/05/29/toyota-corol...ltis-rendering/

Looks promising =) in my waiting list
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post May 31 2013, 04:35 PM

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is it...a fuel guzzler?
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post May 31 2013, 05:51 PM

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Is the back seat of K3 60:40 split foldable ?
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post May 31 2013, 05:51 PM

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fuyoh..bash korean manufacturer everywhere..
tak habis habis with it..
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post May 31 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(dragonkiat @ May 31 2013, 05:51 PM)
Is the back seat of K3 60:40 split foldable ?
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Yes, it's foldable, of course.
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post May 31 2013, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 29 2013, 10:58 PM)
You can check the size of the Multi-link in Mazda 6, its a quality one comparable to conti makes. K5 multi-link, the bone size is smaller and at the same time, they build their cars like in between Japanese and conti therefore they don't get close to conti. The K3 Cerato and Elantra, if they are fitted with Multi-link instead of torsion beam, it might get you somewhere nearer to conti. Also, depends on how willing are they to give you the more expensive, bigger and heavier multi-link bone. Doing so could end up getting less interior space.

Comparing Lancer '07 and Forte '09 that are sharing the same platform. The Forte has slightly more space inside due to torsion beam and it has 2650mm wheelbase compared to 2635mm in Lancer. The weight difference is evident too. Kerb weight Lancer 2.0GT 1380kg, Lancer 2.0GL 1330k while Forte 2.0L at 1293kg, that explains where the Lancer gets the additional kerb weight. That is in the rear to give it better handling by increasing more weight to the rear to counter the front.
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In short r u saying Forte give less ingredients ? that why using same platform but end up much lighter ?? R U sure Lancer sharing same platform with Forte ?? whistling.gif

Even P1 is using multi link but your baby doesn't thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 30 2013, 09:07 PM)
Hi weakmeal69,

Glad to meet some1 from engineering field. Is your thesis done on local shipping companies fleet or worldwide? If it is local, I am surprised to know that they already started using Hyundai diesel engine & genset? I am more used to CAT anyway. Thanks for the info.

In terms of automotive lines, the Koreans do posses some diesel technology that are better than its Japanese counterpart nowadays. Problem with Japan, they are not encouraged to go further into diesel, therefore their tech is dated compared to conti diesel engine and even Korean.
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Really ?? hmm.gif How come i see so many Diesel Japanese Pick Up Truck & Lorries rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Buydirect @ May 31 2013, 06:09 PM)
Yes, it's foldable, of course.
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But K3 sold in some other countries don't have this feature .
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 30 2013, 09:29 PM)
Your reply only fill in the blanks with foul language initial and there is entirely nothing. Today, you can find Forte in hot Arab desert where their regulation is breakdown must never happen. However, there is no Civic, no Teana, no Sylphy in hot Arab desert nowadays. However, you can still find old Accord in Arab large city but not selling well. They used to have N-brand but now fading and took over by Korean makes. Toyota, it will be there. Mazda, it is making its way there too.

Fact is, cars that are reliable, durable and practical only could make it into Arabs market. You could not even pinpoint technically what leg is weak? Do you mean the tie rod, lower arms, suspension, frame?

All I can say about my old Forte 1.6EX 4AT is that I could keep driving this car for over 10 years without problem as long as I keep it service. Korean makes, its engines & gearbox carried Japanese + American DNA whereas the design is german DNA.

If Kia willing to go further to provide conti handling, they'll have to fork out extra cost to give higher end suspension (upper part soft but lower part very stiff) that gives comfort and handling. If they were to do so, they'll end up having to sell more expensive than Japanese makes. In Australia, Mazda 6 costs more expensive than other Japanese D-segments despite same tax rate for all. Reason being, more ingredients being included.
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R U sure they is no Civic in Middel East ?? Better check ur fact boy ! vmad.gif

I remember Nissan is selling quite well in UAE & GCC, even Sunny, Altima, Sentra is selling well beside SUV & Truck. rclxms.gif

Probably u need to keep ur Forte EX kosong for very long as the RV will drop further upon Cerato launching. doh.gif


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QUOTE(dragonkiat @ May 31 2013, 05:51 PM)
Is the back seat of K3 60:40 split foldable ?
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yes , it is
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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ May 31 2013, 05:51 PM)
fuyoh..bash korean manufacturer everywhere..
tak habis habis with it..
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maybe his old korean car bring a lot of problem to him brows.gif
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QUOTE(070 @ May 31 2013, 06:43 PM)
maybe his old korean car bring a lot of problem to him  brows.gif
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my dad still using old korean car..ok je..
need tukar those main part
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QUOTE(weakmeal69 @ May 31 2013, 12:05 AM)
nope..im studying in russia btw.n now im doing thesis based on Greece shipping company. as for malaysian i think they r still relying on those company with reputable rating like man b&w. they still not dare to try something new.. just like msian with their honda n toyota giving a chance for them to monopolize the market.

CAT? lol. it's kinda funny bcause my prof. said that russian engineer really dont prefer it as the say it is a nightmare to maintain n service CAT's product. that what i was told n not to flame cat btw.. notworthy.gif
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Noted, that explains.

CAT is indeed inferior compared to SCANIA, MAN, Volvo, etc. People still use it probably because it's American, cheap and could be easily fixed despite a nightmare. You can flame it anyway, always stick to truth. Diesel technology, the Germans & Scandinavian are best. Japanese made is weakest but people use them due to easy & cheap maintenance. Korean, they got tech from MMC earlier but later Germans & Italians (rumored from Germans MTB that build tanks engines).

Car wise, Toyota is still king because they always stick to reliability & durability first with easy and cheap maintenance. Tech wise, they still have VVT though its GDi tech is overtaken by Mazda and Koreans. Honda is easier to take down as it lacks the reliability, durability and up to date technology. Honda is relying heavily on marketing, copypaste design and rumors making people believe it is powerful and great.

Korean made, at least they place the initiative to push further where Japanese made didn't attempt to do (except Mazda). Japanese made beaten conti back then (1970's to 1990's) not by being a better car but rely on cheaper price, cheaper maintenance, focus on reliability/durability, lighter chassis to get better FC. Handling, tech, FC (given the same size & weight) and build quality were no match against conti.
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QUOTE(edison1437 @ May 31 2013, 09:09 AM)
hm...i tot forte share same platform with elentra hmm.gif  hmm.gif
btw extra 15mm whell base contribute 90kg to the kerb weight
is it what you meant? icon_question.gif
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The new K3 Cerato shares platform with Elantra MD.

The old Forte is based on Lancer '07 platform. The same goes to old phased out Elantra/Avante '07. I mean the heavier multi-link suspension contributed to additional weight and used up some of the space in Lancer.

The more eyesore comment (without any facts or issues being addressed) bashing Korean makes means Koreans makes is more successful. What these eyesores bashed Korean back then. Compared to Korean makes today:
- reliability/durability proven
- due to healthy sales volume, spare part suppliers bring in bulk spare parts.
- there are many Korean spare parts yet cheaper today
- practicality proven
- RV proven beating N-brand and the newer 1 is trying to get closer to T & H brand RV king

Only thing missing is Korean B-segment >> Rio & Accent sedan to sell at RM80k.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ May 31 2013, 06:27 PM)
R U sure they is no Civic in Middel East ?? Better check ur fact boy !  vmad.gif

I remember Nissan is selling quite well in UAE & GCC, even Sunny, Altima, Sentra is selling well beside SUV & Truck.  rclxms.gif

Probably u need to keep ur Forte EX kosong for very long as the RV will drop further upon Cerato launching.  doh.gif
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Civic and Accord only limited to inside city use you mean? I am talking about Arabs interstate use where breakdown must never happen. Cut out the trucks as I am talking about cars here. Back then there are only Toyota and Nissan, today there are Hyundai and Kia. Libya war, you can see Korean makes around driven by freedom fighters. In Syria, you can see Forte around. In Arabs, there are more Hyundai-Kia nowadays. Yes, there are many American cars too as they could take the heat.

Unlike you bunch, I am genuine car owner like the rest. Cars that are good, reliable and durable, people tend to keep them longer. Unlike N16 Sentra without ABS (thanks to you bunch), narrow Sylphy with poor FC 8.9km/L yet high maintenance, my colleagues and I can't wait to dispose before RV drops further and replaced with Altis and Forte.

You talk like buying car is free, yes you bunch can drive company products out easily. If you are manager level, they give you Latio, Sylphy or Teana depend on rank, can get driver too & petrol allowance free. That explains why you bunch don't care about FC and narrow width & failed practicality, etc because you didn't buy them with own money.
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QUOTE(jayraptor @ May 31 2013, 09:52 PM)
The new K3 Cerato shares platform with Elantra MD.

The old Forte is based on Lancer '07 platform. The same goes to old phased out Elantra/Avante '07. I mean the heavier multi-link suspension contributed to additional weight and used up some of the space in Lancer.

The more eyesore comment (without any facts or issues being addressed) bashing Korean makes means Koreans makes is more successful. What these eyesores bashed Korean back then. Compared to Korean makes today:
- reliability/durability proven
- due to healthy sales volume, spare part suppliers bring in bulk spare parts.
- there are many Korean spare parts yet cheaper today
- practicality proven
- RV proven beating N-brand and the newer 1 is trying to get closer to T & H brand RV king

Only thing missing is Korean B-segment >> Rio & Accent sedan to sell at RM80k.
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seems like a lot die hard japanese supporters who like to shoot korean, i also want to share my comment on korean car...
for those pioneer forte owner in lyn, u may knew me, cause last time i did tembak forte gao gao in the forte thread. tongue.gif

btw, i grew up in a family which always own japanese car, currently parents driving camry and accord.
for myself, 1st car is a myvi, dun want talk much on this, as most of u know about myvi. laugh.gif

in 2010, when i looking for a replacement, my budget was max 80K, and it must be a sedan, it was not much choices. due to my job, i handle toyota, honda, nissan and kia dealers, some 2nd hand car dealers and some japanese manufacturer. i need a sedan car as i always travel, sometimes need to pick up customer for entertainment. my yearly mileage hit around 60K, normally i will change my car in 3-4 years time.
that time in my shopping list, only 2 cars fit in, vios E and forte sx. both 81K.
after some consideration, mainly due to 2nd hand resale value, and "so called" trusted toyota quality, as my house hav camry, i went for vios. funny things is, my colleague bought a forte few months later, i was always laugh on him about the so called korean car nightmare, bad resale value, high FC, problems kao kao and etc.

now is already down the road for 3 years,
do i feel my vios really better compare to forte? nope. just like driving a "myvi sedan"... sweat.gif
do my vios problem free? nope. EPS problem (after claim new EPS still exist!), rattle noise @ dashboard, seat-belt buckle rattle, suspension rattle and etc.
do my vios handling good? nope, but it became a bit better after i low down the suspension with 16" rim.
do my vios FC good? YES! finally i agree on this, RM75 give me 580KM... biggrin.gif

what my comment on forte? as i got the chance to drive it, not only once, mostly every week, as i need to go outstation with my colleague, sometime he will take my car, sometime i take his car...
the driving feel for forte is a C segment car, which vios never give u. talk about handling, of course civic fd win hand down, but forte better than altis a bit (tested by toyota sa). is it better than my vios? i would say yes. laugh.gif .... btw compare stock to stock.
power wise, only altis hav 1.6 model, some toyota sa did tried my colleague's forte, their comment is, "power not bad eh, about same with our altis 1.6". but if compare to civic 1.8 sure tak boleh.
FC, full tank get 530KM+-, lower than my vios, but is a C segment btw.
problem kao kao? not really, some rattle noise also, and some minor accessories problem, all fixed, btw mechanical parts still ok, running fine till today! shocking.gif

resale value? as my mileage now 170K, is time to change car already... drool.gif
2 days earlier, had a happy hour session with one of my 2nd car dealer boss, asked him my vios trade in price, he only can quote me max 53-54K, as current vios giving 10K discount, this hurt vios 2nd hand value! at the same time, i did ask my colleague's forte, also year 2010, trade in price around 51-53K, i was wtf, forte 2nd hand price about the same with my vios. doh.gif

for those who say korea car had a bad resale value, i would say yes, but only for those older model, new model is not...

if given me another chance to choose again for vios E and forte, i would take forte, no doubt...
times had changed, japan car not as strong as before, they were slowing down if u compared to last time, this is not good! even in electronic field, sharp manufacturer in batu pahat sold to taiwanese, due to the whole japanese electronic business were down, and marine shipment for japanese manufacturer were also cut down a lot! if continue like this, at de end japan will suffer...
only car cbu from japan were good, those ckd or import from thailand were so so only, another factor due to our beloved umw and honda malaysia, always give us low spec car, but sell high price!!!... doh.gif

so do korea car so bad? if u compare based on price range, i would say nope, it may better than some other brand, but some ppl said, pls la, compare apple to apple. but if compare apple to apple, i already save up at least 10K-20K for the same segment cars, which i can spend these money on house, go for travel and etc, enjoy better quality life.

those are my 2 cents, some of u may disagree, but this kind of "war" is like iphone vs galaxy S, when i got my S2, a lot of my buddies and colleagues which using iphone shoot me sohai, bodoh; see my iphone more canggih, bla bla bla this and that...
until today, some of them change to samsung d...
now is my time to shoot back them laugh.gif

hope k3 will hav a right price, give a hit to those umw, honda malaysia and etc...

This post has been edited by NiCkY: May 31 2013, 11:25 PM
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seems like a lot die hard japanese supporters who like to shoot korean, i also want to share my comment on korean car...
for those pioneer forte owner in lyn, u may knew me, cause last time i did tembak forte gao gao in the forte thread.  tongue.gif

btw, i grew up in a family which always own japanese car, currently parents driving camry and accord.
for myself, 1st car is a myvi, dun want talk much on this, as most of u know about myvi. 

in 2010, when i looking for a replacement, my budget was max 80K, and it must be a sedan, it was not much choices. due to my job, i handle toyota, honda, nissan and kia dealers, some 2nd hand car dealers and some japanese manufacturer. i need a sedan car as i always travel, sometimes need to pick up customer for entertainment. my yearly mileage hit around 60K, normally i will change my car in 3-4 years time.
that time in my shopping list, only 2 cars fit in, vios E and forte sx. both 81K.
after some consideration, mainly due to 2nd hand resale value, and "so called" trusted toyota quality, as my house hav camry, i went for vios. funny things is, my colleague bought a forte few months later, i was always laugh on him about the so called korean car nightmare, bad resale value, high FC, problems kao kao and etc.

now is already down the road for 3 years,
do i feel my vios really better compare to forte? nope. just like driving a "myvi sedan"... sweat.gif
do my vios problem free? nope. EPS problem (after claim new EPS still exist!), rattle noise @ dashboard, seat-belt buckle rattle, suspension rattle and etc.
do my vios handling good? nope, but it became a bit better after i low down the suspension with 16" rim.
do my vios FC good? YES! finally i agree on this, RM75 give me 580KM...  biggrin.gif

what my comment on forte? as i got the chance to drive it, not only once, mostly every week, as i need to go outstation with my colleague, sometime he will take my car, sometime i take his car...
the driving feel for forte is a C segment car, which vios never give u. talk about handling, of course civic fd win hand down, but forte better than altis a bit (tested by toyota sa). is it better than my vios? i would say yes. laugh.gif .... btw compare stock to stock.
power wise, only altis hav 1.6 model, some toyota sa did tried my colleague's forte, their comment is, "power not bad eh, about same with our altis 1.6". but if compare to civic 1.8 sure tak boleh.
FC, full tank get 530KM+-, lower than my vios, but is a C segment btw.
problem kao kao? not really, some rattle noise also, and some minor accessories problem, all fixed, btw mechanical parts still ok, running fine till today!
resale value? as my mileage now 170K, is time to change car already... 
2 days earlier, had a happy hour session with one of my 2nd car dealer boss, asked him my vios trade in price, he only can quote me max 53-54K, as current vios giving 10K discount, this hurt vios 2nd hand value! at the same time, i did ask my colleague's forte, also year 2010, trade in price around 51-53K, i was wtf, forte 2nd hand price about the same with my vios.  doh.gif

for those who say korea car had a bad resale value, i would say yes, but only for those older model, new model is not...

if given me another chance to choose again for vios E and forte, i would take forte, no doubt...
times had changed, japan car not as strong as before, they were slowing down if u compared to last time, this is not good! even in electronic field, sharp manufacturer in batu pahat sold to taiwanese, due to the whole japanese electronic business were down, and marine shipment for japanese manufacturer were also cut down a lot! if continue like this, at de end japan will suffer...
only car cbu from japan were good, those ckd or import from thailand were so so only, another factor due to our beloved umw and honda malaysia, always give us low spec car, but sell high price!!!...  doh.gif

so do korea car so bad? if u compare based on price range, i would say nope, it may better than some other brand, but some ppl said, pls la, compare apple to apple. but if compare apple to apple, i already save up at least 10K-20K for the same segment cars, which i can spend these money on house, go for travel and etc, enjoy better quality life.

those are my 2 cents, some of u may disagree, but this kind of "war" is like iphone vs galaxy S, when i got my S2, a lot of my buddies and colleagues which using iphone shoot me sohai, bodoh; see my iphone more canggih, bla bla bla this and that...
until today, some of them change to samsung d...
now is my time to shoot back them laugh.gif

hope k3 will hav a right price, give a hit to those umw, honda malaysia and etc...
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found another adds.

http://www.oto.my/car-for-sale/61866/new-2....6-pulau-pinang

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The All-New Forte K3 - Arriving In July (Book Now !)
The new Forte will be equipped with 17-inch alloys and factory-fitted leather seats. The electric driver's seat will have two memory settings. In terms of safety, the compact sedan will be fitted with no less than six airbags. From the sales person's catalogue, the new K3 can be selected in 10 different colours. The 2013 Forte measures 4,560mm by 1,780mm by 1,445mm (L x W x H). K3 will also be equipped with the same 130bhp 1.6-litre D-CCVT engine mated to a six-speed automatic gearbox. Century sprint is quoted as 11.6 seconds. For those who have been waiting for the arrival of the all new Kia Forte K3, the good news is that you can pre-book yours for RM99,900 now.

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QUOTE(NiCkY @ Jun 1 2013, 12:23 AM)
seems like a lot die hard japanese supporters who like to shoot korean, i also want to share my comment on korean car...
for those pioneer forte owner in lyn, u may knew me, cause last time i did tembak forte gao gao in the forte thread.  tongue.gif

btw, i grew up in a family which always own japanese car, currently parents driving camry and accord.
for myself, 1st car is a myvi, dun want talk much on this, as most of u know about myvi.  laugh.gif

in 2010, when i looking for a replacement, my budget was max 80K, and it must be a sedan, it was not much choices. due to my job, i handle toyota, honda, nissan and kia dealers, some 2nd hand car dealers and some japanese manufacturer. i need a sedan car as i always travel, sometimes need to pick up customer for entertainment. my yearly mileage hit around 60K, normally i will change my car in 3-4 years time.
that time in my shopping list, only 2 cars fit in, vios E and forte sx. both 81K.
after some consideration, mainly due to 2nd hand resale value, and "so called" trusted toyota quality, as my house hav camry, i went for vios. funny things is, my colleague bought a forte few months later, i was always laugh on him about the so called korean car nightmare, bad resale value, high FC, problems kao kao and etc.

now is already down the road for 3 years,
do i feel my vios really better compare to forte? nope. just like driving a "myvi sedan"... sweat.gif
do my vios problem free? nope. EPS problem (after claim new EPS still exist!), rattle noise @ dashboard, seat-belt buckle rattle, suspension rattle and etc.
do my vios handling good? nope, but it became a bit better after i low down the suspension with 16" rim.
do my vios FC good? YES! finally i agree on this, RM75 give me 580KM...  biggrin.gif

what my comment on forte? as i got the chance to drive it, not only once, mostly every week, as i need to go outstation with my colleague, sometime he will take my car, sometime i take his car...
the driving feel for forte is a C segment car, which vios never give u. talk about handling, of course civic fd win hand down, but forte better than altis a bit (tested by toyota sa). is it better than my vios? i would say yes. laugh.gif .... btw compare stock to stock.
power wise, only altis hav 1.6 model, some toyota sa did tried my colleague's forte, their comment is, "power not bad eh, about same with our altis 1.6". but if compare to civic 1.8 sure tak boleh.
FC, full tank get 530KM+-, lower than my vios, but is a C segment btw.
problem kao kao? not really, some rattle noise also, and some minor accessories problem, all fixed, btw mechanical parts still ok, running fine till today! shocking.gif

resale value? as my mileage now 170K, is time to change car already...  drool.gif
2 days earlier, had a happy hour session with one of my 2nd car dealer boss, asked him my vios trade in price, he only can quote me max 53-54K, as current vios giving 10K discount, this hurt vios 2nd hand value! at the same time, i did ask my colleague's forte, also year 2010, trade in price around 51-53K, i was wtf, forte 2nd hand price about the same with my vios.  doh.gif

for those who say korea car had a bad resale value, i would say yes, but only for those older model, new model is not...

if given me another chance to choose again for vios E and forte, i would take forte, no doubt...
times had changed, japan car not as strong as before, they were slowing down if u compared to last time, this is not good! even in electronic field, sharp manufacturer in batu pahat sold to taiwanese, due to the whole japanese electronic business were down, and marine shipment for japanese manufacturer were also cut down a lot! if continue like this, at de end japan will suffer...
only car cbu from japan were good, those ckd or import from thailand were so so only, another factor due to our beloved umw and honda malaysia, always give us low spec car, but sell high price!!!...  doh.gif

so do korea car so bad? if u compare based on price range, i would say nope, it may better than some other brand, but some ppl said, pls la, compare apple to apple. but if compare apple to apple, i already save up at least 10K-20K for the same segment cars, which i can spend these money on house, go for travel and etc, enjoy better quality life.

those are my 2 cents, some of u may disagree, but this kind of "war" is like iphone vs galaxy S, when i got my S2, a lot of my buddies and colleagues which using iphone shoot me sohai, bodoh; see my iphone more canggih, bla bla bla this and that...
until today, some of them change to samsung d...
now is my time to shoot back them laugh.gif

hope k3 will hav a right price, give a hit to those umw, honda malaysia and etc...
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