I think the price is ok, as I said earlier the variance between Korean & Japanese car r marginal outside Malaysia, just that these re badging play the tricks, NAZA main focus should be the 1.6 model, though I agree that Focus would be wiser choice if I would to pay 120k compare to a Cerato.

Btw, if i not mistaken, forte will be phase out, motorman or 70 can verify on this?

When ncp42 replaced by dugong, there is no price slash for more than 10%. Count by discount price/official price, what umw did to vios now is insane.

nazaed it? swift done it also, but remain the badge.

manufacturer vs distributor... hmmmm, there is an example in late 90's. kah motor and honda malaysia. that can show who is the real boss then the manufacturer decided to take step.

You think all are crazy with Korean cars?
Cannot be for those really crazy with Korean cars, rather than buy Japanese cars until today still able to go half cut of record shop grab as they can.

After look for white on Kia Spectra owner never bother their like shit looks now.
I'm so pity to them.
Paint all out & all dent with never repairs at all.
Some bumper dropped and paste with tape.

I don't expect too much after Forte will be facing the same day..

This post has been edited by kimsim: Jun 3 2013, 07:59 AM

NAZAed as in re badge the car under local badge, Swift is CKD not rebadge, from the amout of stars of your ranking i believe your got my drift.

KIA Carnival is the only car i remember going from CBU to CKD then Rebadge to NAZA Ria, where the price slashed from 160K to 99K.

Many sensitive issue r not advisible to post here, but i bet u know why kah motor lost their distributionship right ?

This post has been edited by jolokia: Jun 3 2013, 08:56 AM

got ur drift? lol...
about the rebadge factor plus some other factors that i did tell my colleague when he got his forte, but been few years, nothing comes true, where by big discount to clear old stock pun tak ada, i quite paise also. lol

Those citra and ria were very long time ago, 2003?
after that did they do the same thing? Sportage, Sorento, old optima? I believe that the planning department head been slah away, if they rebadge and ckd, they need the volume to commit to kia korea, based on their sales, the volume is not there, plus if commit ckd and rebadge halfway, what i can say is suicide. Haha.

Btw, what we talk now also just predicton, none of it come true yet, i waiting on it also...

About kah motor case, as i work with honda malaysia and honda dealers, knew those tactic d.
If one day u are the manufacturer, and u wanna get rid off a distributor, there's a very easy plus effective way. Hehe...

This post has been edited by NiCkY: Jun 3 2013, 09:30 AM

the price is till unofficial yet right
anyway if I am the one choosing between the new K3, Focus, Altis and Civic
for sure I'm going got Focus since the price about the same for 2.0L

the wait is killing..

120k K3 vs. 119k Focus
Sure Winner Focus la....... straight KO K3... speed, handling, performance all win... K3 see Focus tailight only.... 170HP with ford signature handling how to lose.....
If K3 really dare dare put 2.0L at more than 115k... really suck my balls lor..... KIA wait zap lap only

Better re-check your facts. I remembered KIA SA giving a huge 7k discount with free body kit for Forte once.

Beside i check my facts, how about u provide more specific details on that? That discount is on when? Year end sales? Maybe just those tricks which sa need to get some attention, when customer call up and enquire, den say no more stock, new offer is lesser d, these are normal sales tactics.
Den we need our forumer motorman or 70 to confirm this.
If betul, colleague cant lansi d. LoL

You need to renew it anyway. Even you have already booked the Cerato, it will take some time before you actually get the delivery. You won't get it instantly, that s for sure.

What you will loose is the road tax cost, as you cannot reclaim from the buyer. Road tax is usually minimum only for small cc cars. But for the motor insurance, you can cancel it later when you get the new car, and the insurance company will refund it to you in pro-rate basis, so you don't loose much.

Cheers!

Yes, Forte will be replaced by Cerato, that's official. As to whether there is going to be a price dumping exercise to clear Forte like what Vios is doing, I hate to disappoint you guys but I don't think so. Cerato 1.6 is at a different price bracket, 95-99K range, whereas Forte is sub 85K. Besides, there aren't many Forte stock left, so stock clearance with massive discounting is highly unlikely. That is why the new model is called Cerato, and not Forte or Forte K3, to enable both models to sell alongside one another, until the Forte stock runs out by itself.

As a matter of fact, I am confident there will still be a demand for Forte even after Cerato is launched. They will always be buyers who like the design of the Forte over Cerato. Actually, I would be pleased if Naza does not discontinue the Forte model, as I believe they will be always a market looking for a model of good value like what Forte offers. In addition, a lot of buyers have a certain limit to their repayment capacity per month, such as 10% down payment at RM830 per month. With the Cerato, one needs to pay at least 990 to 1K per month.

Launching as KIA and rebatching to Naza later with price deduction is now a thing of the past. Naza has learned not to repeat the mistakes of Cardinal/Ria or Carens/Citra which affected the RV and consumer confidence.

KIA has moved on from the days of the old Spectra, with quality issues and poor resale value. And moved on well it sure has. I am sure if you have attended some ceramah during the PRU13, you would hv heard about how the Korean GDP has improved over that of Malaysia, which is a reflection of the pace of development, economy and improvement on their products over the past 10-15 years.

Just to draw a parallel comparison, those days, one would sweat and think twice about buying a Samsung TV or fridge or a mobile phone. Today, they are at the forefront of new technologies and are the among the best sellers, surpassing the likes of Sony, Toshiba and other Jap brands.

Sadly, some old perception on Korean cars remain. If and unless you drive a Forte and experience it first hand, I don't think your comment is a fair one.

drove a forte koup before, drove md elantra before, both also so so....ok ok la.... waiting for a kia Cerato, buying a cerato depending on a generous or greedy price.... Sorry to say still prefer Focus..... but focus kinda exceeded my budget...

You talk like there is everything including P&C on the Internet for free. Mind give me the URL website where I can find your full name, IC together with credit card number, expiry date and security code? Also, can you give me the link where I can find the gearbox model number for Latio? You lost your common sense in this one. Those feedback for NASA staff scouting here to read. Definitely not for you.

Back to facts talk about car price, manufacturer don't get to set selling price at will. You forgot the excise duty, sales tax, manufacturing cost, break even point, revenue, etc. What? You think your father owns the car pricing policy here? Google won't find you more details that are P&C, even actual tax rate on cars not available, you only get the general public info.

Old Forte rebadged under NASA get tax reduction for national car status exemption. That is why they get to sell 10% less than actual price. Else, under Kia badge, the old Forte 1.6EX 78k will be priced at RM90k, 1.6SX RM85k at RM97k while Forte 2.0 RM97k will become RM110k under earlier P1 protection policy with best negotiated tax rate. Now that there's Inspira & Preve, P1, tax rates on new K3 Cerato increased pushing the new car price further up, not to forget the K3 is CBU from Korea, only to get partial CKD status by assembling doors, seats and windscreens here.

Cost of producing a K3 Cerato costs more expensive than producing 1 Civic and Altis. The high tensile strength material, the 6AT gearbox, the dual VVT DOHC engine, VIS all required material and money to build. Rough breakdown example only, not accurate actual data for K3 Cerato 1.6L:
- the car cost RM15k to produce + Kia Korea revenue markup RM15k placing the car sales to NASA at RM30k.
- Shipping cost RM2k
- Tax Excise 90% RM28.8k (after adding shipping cost RM2k +30k = 32k)
- Sales tax another 30% RM18.24k
- This brings up to RM79.04k already, minus selling price RM100k, there is RM20.96k left for other expenses : transporting the car, royalty fees for Kia manufacturer and to feed salesman commission RM1500, staff, etc.

If tax rate follows global, the K3 Cerato 1.6 should be priced around RM60k under max tax rate. US tax rate on car is lowest while UK is highest in Europe.

Unlike you bunch, substandard products that you assemble here, you can throw CRA2Y discount like mad until ruining the RV of earlier buyers. Don't have to talk about others. How come X-Trail T31 you can sell at RM130 but the new X-Trail CBU from Indonesia sold at RM145k? Easy, because CKD here, you get more tax exemption and also, you can slash price as long as it is not against P1 protection policy and you can still cover royalty sales to N-brand Japan boss.

Your empty narrow Sylphy cost cutting to maximum is priced officially at RM120k that is higher than Focus at RM115k. What say you? Only rely on CRA2Y discount that do not declare officially, you get to sell it at RM107k yet can accept trade in old Sephia at RM10k. Hyundai-Kia, Toyota, Mazda, Ford, etc, they aren't going to give such CRA2Y discount due to higher cost & tax rate.

1 more thing, Focus is CBU from Thailand, therefore can reduce price further.

If they share the same platform I'm pretty sure there will be link out there somewhere
Just like the theta engine block similar to 4b11's endings block

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine

I might be wrong hope You can provide the better source

I might be wrong but kimsim do own a forte right?