Athene has done it therefore anyone with enough perseverence could do it too. Try melee classes, they can't even smell diablo's fart without good gear.

can! naked done before. i pop serenity and smell his fart before dying.

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ps: i got naked diablo kill and punch diablo achievements

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 26 2012, 01:21 AM

Can u do it? Do u know how imba athene bow and quiver? Lol.. dont simply say it can be done so easily coz someone with best item in game can do it.. 99% dh cant..

I'm not sure whether it is the same skill or a different skill.
The Wiz was surrounded by 4 elites and these elites could hardly hurt the Wiz.
All 3 players already killed uncountable times but the Wiz still stood there like a boss (on a pool of poison + arcane) with more than 50% HP.

For me, the best tanker is the one that survives longer than others + without kiting.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 09:21 AM

bow + quiver >>> your full gear? Then your gear sucks mega ass, because:

http://athenelive.com/trophyroom/

1303dps weap
+272 dex
+197% crit hit dmg
+8.5% crit hit chance
+15% atk speed
+1 hatred/s
+10 max discipline

That is ALL the stats he gets from his weapon+quiver. ZERO extra vitality, 450 or whatever total Dexterity.

In any case the fact is that one DH has beaten Diablo naked. Can any other class even come close to doing this?

ghom is the lord of fart lulz

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Added on July 26, 2012, 8:25 amwiz and wd can, as long as range

This post has been edited by olman: Jul 26 2012, 08:25 AM

Normal to Hell mode, yes, Barb could be pretty good tanker.
When it comes to Inferno, Barb is no tanker (unless you have god-like gears).
Barb is VERY gear dependent.
This is why you see those powerful Barbs in Inferno opt for DPS and kill-the-monster-fast.
Simply because Barb can't tank in Inferno.
Barb has no healing skills. Barb can't do range attack. Barb has to go melee but on a pool of fire+poison+arcane+invulnerable+shield fast elites?
Barb can only kill the enemy fast, as fast as he can to survive.
God-like DPS, meaning you need to spend HUGE amount on weapon and gears.

Monk is better tanker than Barb most of the time (despite lower armor + resistance). Thanks to the healing skills.
It is way way lower cost to maintain Monk too.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 09:40 AM

show me.

yes this is what i thought so.. barb requires really good EQ to progress in inferno.. i am not sure about the lower cost to maintain monk though because as far as i know, dex equipment are the most expensive basic stat in the game..

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Added on July 26, 2012, 9:43 amactually i am kinda agree with wizards having the ability to kill diablo naked.. if u fight diablo long enough, u will know the movement of it.. like what skill is he going to use next.. with that in mind, it is kinda easy to predict and avoid these attacks with diamond skin, just like what demon hunter did with ss..

This post has been edited by rockroll5022: Jul 26 2012, 09:43 AM

DEX equipment are way cheaper than Barb's STR gears.
Besides, DEX equipment can be used on both Monk and Demon Hunter.
Barb's STR is useless for other class of heroes.

thanks.. it is quite a nice build though with the total cost less than 1.5m only !!

Two hugely different skills.

Diamond skin with crystal shell absorbs 20k-ish damage. It's awesome when you have pretty high DR (armor/resist), not so awesome when you're naked and have 20% DR from Blur. Smoke screen avoids damage entirely.

like i posted on the other monk thread. its the other way around.

price is determined by DEMAND.

str gears are only demanded by 1 class - barb
dex gears are demanded by TWO classes - DH/monk

its easy to know who gets the more expensive gear just by this.

yeap.. simple marketing system.. more demand more expensive.. the same goes to int but D3 is overloaded with more dex players compared to int players, thus making dex the most expensive stat in the game..

wrong wrong wrong lol.

your only right is yes, barb is VERY gear dependent. without decent gear, barbs are arguably the worst class
however once they gear up, they can be EASILY the best.

refer the lyn top stats. look at how much dmg reduction/armor a barb can go compared to the other classes.
then look at their dps. lol trumping SS demon hunters.

again wrong, barb has skills that life leeches/regens based on scalable %
monks are purely STATIC value heals.

and range? monk's only range is the runed up deadly reach. barbarian can friggin weapon throw skill with rune to further enhance it (refer to "chicken" inferno ranged barbarian youtube video)

monk is a way better tanker than barb only assuming that both of them are at lesser gear (eg: full set i level 61)
however once both of them gear up (eg: full set ilevel 63), barb EASILY outpace the monk in tanking.

mainly because your healing skills scale, and if your gears are bad, you dont get much out of it. monk ones are static, so they are good when they arent decked out uber gear, but once they are, they dont benefit any of it aside from e.hp scaling (which barbs benefit from that too mind you)

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Added on July 26, 2012, 10:17 amyes and no though. wiz are fairly overpopulated. the only difference is WD are so rare, while monk isnt, that makes dex more demanded. that, and emerald gems also fuel for every classes weapons for their crit dmg

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 26 2012, 10:17 AM

Those 30K armor is buffed. It's about 10K of armor.

My Barb has 11K of armor (33K after leap). 1500AR after WC + Mantra.
My Barb still like toufu.

My Monk has 6K+ armor and 900AR.
My Monk can swim in A3/A4.

It doesn't work that way.

fair enough the thread is about buffed (bluff lol) stats. however know this: we want to bluff also we cannot acquire such stats.

kripparrian has WAY LESSER stats (lol budget barb), yet he can do act 3/4 fairly well. albeit a lot of difficulties.
granted, he is kripparrian, not everyone is.

my point being, if you're having better stats on your barb than your monk and you cant do as well, its probably:
1) you're not playing your barb properly
2) you're able to play your monk better than your barb (i find the LYN monk thread very resourceful compared to the other 4 classes )
3) both barb/monk are only decently geared, and as i said, monk does better than barb if they arent in awesome gear. however as i have also said, as they gear out better, barb will easily leave the monk class in the dust

Let's leave kripparrian for a moment.
I speak as average gamer.

Why you need such stats? It is not effective in battleground.
With such stats, Barb is still like toufu, what is the point of it?
It is very common to have 10K armor and 1200AR (after War Cry) for a Barb but these are no good at all.
How many Barbs go for tanker? Those Barbs who can farm comfortably in A3/A4 are those with god-like DPS + LOH.
They don't go for armor and AR.

I have an average Monk with 20K DPS (My Barb has 20K DPS too).
My Monk has lower AR and Armor. My Monk is doing a lot better than my Barb.

Ask those Barbs with 20K DPS / 1000 Armor / 1200 AR / 46K HP how they do in A3/A4.
It is pain-in-the-ass. Barb has to chase the teleporter like those desert hornets in A2. Monk can teleport.
Half HP gone before Barb can make a single hit.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 10:49 AM

- it is up to one's decision to gear up as a pure tank, pure dps, or in the middle. chances are you want to do both, and as such, you require better stats, and thus being more expensive. (it is the same for monk, as with EVERY CLASS save DH because lol smoke screen)
- monk is equally as toufu as barb with similar stats. the biggest differentiation is that we have serenity
- it is common for monk to have 10k armor (albeit require keen eye buff for over 10k armor) and 1k all resist too, but again, when elites in act 3-4 can hit me for 5 digits regardless of the stats i have, i am as toufu as a barb is. however i still finished inferno diablo. again, you probably play better on your monk than your barb. though at the same time, it seems that you're carried on your monk, not sure bout your barb, but that *COULD* be a factor; assumptions from my end though.

i've known a few barbs that go for armor/ar being a full tank. they have separate gears to swap if they wanna dps. SAME case for my monk

god like dps is very subjective. if they dont have decent armor/AR to begin with, they just get 1 shotted before their DPS/LoH can even kick in. again, works the same for monks.

"monk can teleport" go ask the monk thread who has that in their hotkey LOL!
while barbs on the other hand, chances are they have dash thingy with marathon rune (kripparrian does! so it cant be bad, huh?)

If you read, my monk is doing better with a poorer stats.

Monk can teleport. Fist of thunder - Thunderclap.
I use it and do immediate melee attack.
While my Barb still has to chase the teleporter.