freezing is not really tanking ... it is more creep controlling ...

... tank as good as barb/monk...

yes this is what i thought so.. barb requires really good EQ to progress in inferno.. i am not sure about the lower cost to maintain monk though because as far as i know, dex equipment are the most expensive basic stat in the game..

wrong wrong wrong lol.

your only right is yes, barb is VERY gear dependent. without decent gear, barbs are arguably the worst class
however once they gear up, they can be EASILY the best.

refer the lyn top stats. look at how much dmg reduction/armor a barb can go compared to the other classes.
then look at their dps. lol trumping SS demon hunters.

again wrong, barb has skills that life leeches/regens based on scalable %
monks are purely STATIC value heals.

and range? monk's only range is the runed up deadly reach. barbarian can friggin weapon throw skill with rune to further enhance it (refer to "chicken" inferno ranged barbarian youtube video)

monk is a way better tanker than barb only assuming that both of them are at lesser gear (eg: full set i level 61)
however once both of them gear up (eg: full set ilevel 63), barb EASILY outpace the monk in tanking.

mainly because your healing skills scale, and if your gears are bad, you dont get much out of it. monk ones are static, so they are good when they arent decked out uber gear, but once they are, they dont benefit any of it aside from e.hp scaling (which barbs benefit from that too mind you)

fair enough the thread is about buffed (bluff lol) stats. however know this: we want to bluff also we cannot acquire such stats.

kripparrian has WAY LESSER stats (lol budget barb), yet he can do act 3/4 fairly well. albeit a lot of difficulties.
granted, he is kripparrian, not everyone is.

my point being, if you're having better stats on your barb than your monk and you cant do as well, its probably:
1) you're not playing your barb properly
2) you're able to play your monk better than your barb (i find the LYN monk thread very resourceful compared to the other 4 classes )
3) both barb/monk are only decently geared, and as i said, monk does better than barb if they arent in awesome gear. however as i have also said, as they gear out better, barb will easily leave the monk class in the dust

- it is up to one's decision to gear up as a pure tank, pure dps, or in the middle. chances are you want to do both, and as such, you require better stats, and thus being more expensive. (it is the same for monk, as with EVERY CLASS save DH because lol smoke screen)
- monk is equally as toufu as barb with similar stats. the biggest differentiation is that we have serenity
- it is common for monk to have 10k armor (albeit require keen eye buff for over 10k armor) and 1k all resist too, but again, when elites in act 3-4 can hit me for 5 digits regardless of the stats i have, i am as toufu as a barb is. however i still finished inferno diablo. again, you probably play better on your monk than your barb. though at the same time, it seems that you're carried on your monk, not sure bout your barb, but that *COULD* be a factor; assumptions from my end though.

i've known a few barbs that go for armor/ar being a full tank. they have separate gears to swap if they wanna dps. SAME case for my monk

god like dps is very subjective. if they dont have decent armor/AR to begin with, they just get 1 shotted before their DPS/LoH can even kick in. again, works the same for monks.

"monk can teleport" go ask the monk thread who has that in their hotkey LOL!
while barbs on the other hand, chances are they have dash thingy with marathon rune (kripparrian does! so it cant be bad, huh?)

and my points above still stands

FoT is only good if you got good enough survival stats and/or offensive stats/dps.
being lesser, deadly reach will always be better in terms of buffing 50% armor or 18% dps.

and hell, deadly is aoe, have a bit of range, FoT is single target (for the most part) until the 3rd hit that has a small AoE

Barbs has a LOT of skills for close ins and most of them are very very practical without much drawbacks. (leap lets you go 33k armor, no?)

i havent played a barb myself, however i have many friends who do and i team/coop up with a barb very very frequently.
and form my experience on those barbarians, they can tank better when i do and in fact, they LOVE IT when they get mobbed because of how OP revenge is. in fact some of my barb friends tell me NOT to blind unless things get out of hand because he love to spam revenge/healing from revenge. dps wise? lets just say frenzy/WoTB > anything a monk has. and my biggest dps boost (MoC) benefits him as it isnt that exclusive/special to myself anymore. granted, i benefited greatly from his warcry

again, if you're dying like toufu having 10k armor 1k AR compared to your monk, the only thing happening is you're not playing your barb as well as your monk. how else other barbs (lol my sister is reaching inferno soon on her alt barb w) are doing DECENTLY fine/finishing inferno act 4 in the very first place? initially i bring in kripparrian because he is CLEARLY doing something right for barbs when he is clearing inferno act 4 with MUCH LESSER STATS. should i say monk class is horrible because i only clear inferno post 1.0.3 with almost DOUBLE of what kripparrian has on his budget barb?

if you invalidate my points because i dont play a barb, that would be very sad as diablo3 isn't a very difficult game to be very honest and imho you don't really need to play that class to get an idea on how things work. (eg: 10k armor does x dmg reduction, ignore pain does x % dmg reduction and so forth)

@Aleune: id suggest you spending more time on monks before you comment about skill set, not EVERY monk set thunderclap for hotkey, they actually do lack hotkeys to skill the skills they "want". this is based on my experience and observation

generally imho both classes has its pro and cons, in terms of general mobility, barb do have that advantage, leap to be specific

AR and armor ration has a specific balance, as a barb you should know that, stacking up maximum AR and armor doesnt mean that you will do better tanking than another that is having lesser.

why most barb goes for dps on later acts are very obvious, tanker barbs arent as efficient as dps when you are soloing for obvious reasons, the enrage timer. makes not sense if you are gonna tank a shitload of mobs/elites/champ but cant kill it when you are alone before the enrage timer hits.

id beg to differ, the elite among elite are ALL hybrids, barb or monk alike. clearly though we arent those "elite players" and so is ALeUNe, and i guess that is where he paid for trying to be one when he gear his barb (assuming so, as he seems to want EVERYTHING from his monk too lol)