You come to the wrong hive (lowyat forum). If you think we are just normal bees then you are making a big mistake. Infact, we are giant hornets from japan. Run now before they wake up and eat you alive.

Hi,

First of all I would like to thank you for rationalising yourself. Sir we are in a similar situation to this :

"Before you attend a job interview you ask your soon to be eomployers to declare all their assets and wateva u've mentioned above. Because you are not sure that the company might or might not close down tommorow. You do all the talking to your soon to be employers which does not sound right at all."

If you want to know more about the business then we can set an appointment and I can enlighten you further. The point of me writting in this post in the first place was to rationalise people's general concept of MLM and also that MC-Ocean has changed many peoples lives. People who have not thought of luxury life are now enjoying it through this business.

Employees who have worked tirelessly putting in 10-12 hours everday only to be paid 5k-8k is not going to enjoy luxury life and they can never become wealthy working until the age of 55. This is an alternative whereby you rip the rewards of your hardwork. You enjoy and "INCOME" and NOT a "SALARY". You also will be thoguht to think and move like a businessman.

Again this is not an investment. The general definition of an investment is that you don't have control of your returns. Business on the other hand is within your contol. You need a modal to startup a business which you are going to run. Also, we have AJL license meaning you are paying for a set of products. You can't invest and not get something in return in an MLM company. That is illegal.

Regards.

looks like this parasite refused to back down.. let the giant hornets do its job.

Sorry to say this sounds like a load of fluff to me, you are not telling me anything more about your company, and merely mentioning to meet up. you then disguise the short answer by putting lots of "mere commercial fluff".

I feel a bit ill-at-ease when people do not want to reveal basic information about their schemes online but rather get PMs and private meetings.

I would like to ask 2 basic questions, what products do i get, and where does my money go? revealing this information should not breach any confidentiality or business secrets.

the same way i would ask any investment. If gold broker, i would get gold (virtual or real) and my money goes to paying for the gold. Or in terms of shares i would get shares and my money goes to the promotion of that company.

in the same way, what do i get from an initial investment with you guys?

if you so proud of your business.
please provide link so that we can verify your so-call "investment"

I know Amway and Cosway sell consumer stuff. And they publish their product details, price etc...they are legitimate MLM

What does this Mc Ocean sell ? Some McDonalds products like fillet o fish ?

Or are you just selling memberships to feed those members on top ? aka ponzi scheme ?

Don't lah ask us for private appointment, pm....if you are legitimate, why fear disclosing everything in the forum ? Unless you have something to hide ?

they sold alot of product, etc water filter,health supplements, bla bla, etc

but they not emphasis on selling the products if you catch my meaning.

and they got 3 membership to sell as well..

You are wrong .
Actually they giving people "OPTION" which is
(a) Selling products
(b) Membership recruitment

but of course, people tend to choose (b) as it is the faster way to $$$$$$$$.

Guys,

It has been challenging for MLM companies to cope with the same way of marketing their products just as Amway and Cosway did those days. Studies have showed that there has been a steady decline in products sale through MLM because of 2 things:

1. The consumers are infact the retailer thus killing the consumer market.
2. Younger generations (Generation Y) opt to not trust MLM because of their tainted image.

So over the years, MLM companies have tried to improvise to suit with the current demands. One of the main problems MLM companies faced were nobody likes to sell products door to door. The only way to do it otherwise was to perform indirect sale aka. Recruit. Now here comes the interesting point. Are both these method's against our law and syariah law. No.

But the issue is people are getting smarter and smarter day by day. So this generation too are adamant in recruting because it was similar to a door to door sales. They also mentioned that "Why should you recruit me and make yoursleves richer (Upline)?" Mc ocean does not emaphasis on this. We have came up with a well structured method to show how we have overcame these problems. Thats why people are ready to join us. I've just became a member 2/3 months ago don't you think I would have anlysed these issues first?

We have products but we are not required to sell. Don't get me wrong we have excellent products but its just we have found another indirect way of marketing the product. If indeed Mc ocean is emphasizing on sales of products I would have been the first to put the name of the product up to get some sales here. But we don't practise that method.

If at all you are business minded this is the place to groom young upcoming entrepreneur. Conventional business these days take up to almost RM250k to startup. This does not include overheads, advertising, rolling funds, competion. How many of u guys can guarantee me x% of returns if I were to do your conventional business???what happens if it fails?Rm250K burn?Owe the bank for the rest of your lives?

This is where we provide an alternative solution. In any business its not the amount you startup with but how fast you get back your modal aka ROI%. There is no good or bad in business as long as its legal, well structured and you yoursleves believe that you can do it.

Regards.

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Added on December 19, 2012, 11:29 amHi,

You will get a range of products which you would find suitable for you.You will have to come to our office to choose the products. Your money goes to the company which releases the products of course.

Sir we are not a desperate comapny who focuses on sales of products. We want quality and capabale partners to grow with us. This business is only through invitation and not every tom d*** and harry can infact do this business. We don't want quantity, we want quality.

Regards.

This post has been edited by exlish: Dec 19 2012, 11:29 AM

they do sell product (typical health supplement, perfume, water filter, and i think got stationery too!) but trust me, they not emphasis on product selling.

thats the reason they wont reveal much about the product and for every so called ''meeting'' i attended, they emphasis more on recruitment and not products knowledge.

they will talked how poor they were, how unsuccessful they were but after joined this 360 degree change..suddenly can afford to buy big car and big house and can go travel..(lol, why all MLM always used this concept r?) although i can't denied they got someone successful in mlm but how many can get there?

they so called membership involved 3 level..i think the lowest cost around 100-200 (forgot the exactly amount) and the highest rm30000!

my fren who introduced this to me, he try alot of way to persuade me to join but now..he didn find me anymore..sigh

i just shared my previous experience with mc ocean and for those who interested to venture in mlm, just do more research before you join! nv join blindly! (sometimes a simple google can reveal alot of infomation)

by the way i found out mcocean were being banned before and cannot renew the license (but now settled) and also they were set up by those same group from lamberger (lol,just simply google it)

no hard feeling

So i was right.. you sell membership into the company..

I ask again what products you give.. you say you give retail price so why should i join the company when i can go out to the shop to buy the products?

if you really give products at retail price and if i leave within 6 months i get 90% of my money back then I should join up get the products and leave.. so i only pay 10% of the retail price for the products.

sounds like a good deal, what products do you give? don't say you give like RM30k worth of toilet paper la.. that one i smack you..

more importantly HOW does the company get the money to pay out to members?

It is based on new members coming in? if no new members come in then how?

What attracts new members to join? What service do you provide to attract new members?

What you tell me is basically you sell membership into the company

IMO, the "main business" here is selling membership to support the upline. Since they don't focus on products, if no new members join, they will definitely stop earning. Having the products is just to make them "look legal". Take away the products, and it'll be considered illegal. So legally, they are doing a legal business. They'll just twist the word saying you are paying for the products, instead of membership. And their everyone there will tell you almost the exact same thing (~90% of the contents are the same).

EXACTLY..they will let you take the products equivalent to the ''membership'' fees you paid.

Aiyah.. why you reveal so fast.. i was trying to make that fanboi admit it.. haha.. oh well =)

lol..who..? me?

not you.. exlish.. haha =D

The funny thing about your all your post is that, u're trying to sound smart and condemning mlm. I believe u have yet to venture into a business like this. You don't even know how mlm compensation plans work! Omg! FACEPALM! So before u condemn, educate yourself first.

The basis on how MLM works is through the sale of the product. Ie. Either through sales or people who join. The company receives the money and gives a pay out to the distributor or the upline. Oh yes, and on the 90% money back guarantee within a certain period of time, of course you have to return the products la! Another Facepalm for u!

So in the ealier posts... MLM gives you two options, either to sell or to recruit. Its FLEXIBLE and u can use either strategy (very similar to insurance industry). If u r against recruiting, then feel free to sell and I'm most glad to have a worker like u! I do agree that how people are forced to join is wrong and not ethical. But if a person sees an opportunity to do this business then why stop them? Its people who tarnish the image of MLM by the way they do things!

And in regards to failing and not succeeding in MLM, let me give u a glimpse of real life. Only 3% of the population is ultra rich, 10% live a very comfortable life, 60% work for a living and 27% require financial support. They say in MLM only the top 5% of people only succeed and the rest fail... So can u guarantee me that in your lifetime u can be in the top 10% of the population? If u can't does that mean u fail in life? And be another person sitting in a myvi condeming the person in a BMW that drives by?

Well, let's put it a conventional business perspective, did you know that 90% of all new businesses fail within the first 2 years? And yes that's hundred of thousands of lifetime savings down the drain. Ever wondered why u sit in a kopitiam talking about doing a business but nothing really happens? Its because 1. U don't have the cash 2. U know how high the risk is.

So, u decide nvm la I will continue working my way up the corporate ladder... I used to work in HSBC as a manager. And I thought to myself how to be a CEO? Then I realised HSBC had 300,000 staffs.... So that will be a probability of 1 in 300,000! Wah! I play toto 4D also have higher chance of winning! 1 in 9999 chance!

Haha! There are 3 types of people in life... 1. People who makes things happen. 2. People who sees things happen. 3. People who wonder what happened. So categerize yourselve and if u r no.1 pls come and find me and together we change our lives!

HSBC manager? "are you damn serious"?

So are you one of the SP in MC Ocean?

Yes, for HSBC Premier Banking. I also have a learn to swim business with several partners. Plus I'm also into MLM...

Have a business man point of view, always see the opportunity and grab it. But always help people sincerely if u do MLM and build them up cause their success speaks the loudest for you.

People who fail in MLM is because they have the thinking of, u pay me I move my a** but people who has the initiative move their a** first then reaps the benefits.

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Added on December 27, 2012, 5:56 pmLol! Why so keen to know? Well, if u wanna have a dicussion over drinks just PM me. ;p

This post has been edited by empro: Dec 27 2012, 05:56 PM