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post Jul 22 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 04:00 PM)
First of all, hindraf is not a scam. It is illegal organization who have blur mission and objective and they dont have clear path on what they are trying to achieve and what they are trying to fight for. Same like perkasa who are nothing but just a media show. They will assembly, make noise and media will be there. nothing more than that. The only different is hindraf is  illegal, and they use force. remember their first illegal demo when they claimed they have been brutalised but as a matter of fact they are the ones who throw stones and beat the crap out of the police. It was like punching buffet for klang gangsters.

Both mahathur and ridhuan tee never deny their blood. Ridhuan tee still visits his parents and they have very good relationships and that my friend is the teaching of islam.

Third. I am indian, my grandparents was cattle farmer in kampung buah pala and we are poor. My parents work hard and land him a small flat. I work had and i bought a terrace and an apartment. Not only me but lots of indian work hard and they got what they deserve and we dont even need any special rights. You are trying so hard to paint a poor picture on indian community giving false image that indian are soo poor and heavily marginalised where the fact we are doing extremely well and we are all are having a healthy discussion in the largest online community in malaysia, founded by an indian.
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No, i did not mention that the Indian are poor. I am merely quoting what Hindraf and other Indian based NGOs are saying. They say that majority of Indian are marginalized, and you are telling me otherwise. So, either you are right and or they are right. If you are right, then those Indian based NGOs are spreading lies all these while, am I right? That is the question i am throwing to you, and you dont have to twist and turn to answer, just yes and no will do.

Secondly, since when did Mahathir says he is an Indian? Can an Indian join UMNO, instead of MIC? Please enlighten me. Thank You.

Also, being filial is a teaching of Confucius. And that dated back to aprrox 500 BC, while Islam is being founded aprox 600AD .
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post Jul 22 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 21 2012, 05:26 PM)
mahafiraun is mahathir? go read at his blog and see how he never filter any of the comments. unlike anwar ibrahim who shoo away anyone who ask question not favor of him in press conference. and mahathir cannot tolerate critics?
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i heard that maha put ppl into jail whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jul 22 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 04:25 AM)
that is characteristic of him as a leader. leaders lead and we gotta admit he did pretty well. it was the same as lee kuan yew too where he doesnt like critics and he admit it openly.
you went too far to even question his colour. you should look into yourself. i am indian myself and i am doing well and i dont know which part of me or my family were being neglected where we dont even have any political influences at all. me and my family are just normal citizen and we dont have any bumi rights to begin with. but all of us, human being have one thing in common to success, that is hard work. lots of indian out there realize about this and they start working hard and some even better than me, they own restaurant, open their law practice, their clinics and some even monopoly the satellite tv. yes they are indian

if you all about asking a favour you might get it but in return it wont be a dignify life.
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hahahahaha rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

cainis help cainis, malai help malai, and you....didnt help and say hey, they dont need help!! hahahahahahahahha


i know i know.....
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post Jul 22 2012, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 22 2012, 11:07 AM)
Go tell that to the natives in the US... or pretty much anyone that is unemployed in the UK.
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wat talking you????

native is majority in USA?? native is president??

unemployed.....er....you sick?? wat talking you?? how about you tell that to malaysian in USA, UK, AUS that left malaysia for good? hmm.gif hmm.gif
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post Jul 22 2012, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 04:54 PM)
No, i did not mention that the Indian are poor. I am merely quoting what Hindraf and other Indian based NGOs are saying. They say that majority of Indian are marginalized, and you are telling me otherwise. So, either you are right and or they are right. If you are right, then those Indian based NGOs are spreading lies all these while, am I right? That is the question i am throwing to you, and you dont have to twist and turn to answer, just yes and no will do.

Secondly, since when did Mahathir says he is an Indian? Can an Indian join UMNO, instead of MIC? Please enlighten me. Thank You.

Also, being filial is a teaching of Confucius. And that dated back to aprrox 500 BC, while Islam is being founded aprox 600AD .
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I am twist and turn and you expect a yes and no answer from me? Playing lawyer now. You should tell me earlier, saves me trouble to write a lengthy post.

Islam teach its follower to love and respect parents especially mother. I am not arguing who starts the idea, but then again you might end up accuse me twist and turn.
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post Jul 22 2012, 06:11 PM

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other thread kena nuked, just because it is correcting misconceptions that Islam =melayu.
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post Jul 22 2012, 06:17 PM

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who is more malay ?

ridhuan tee abdullah or Zairil " Khir Johari" Abdullah ?
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post Jul 22 2012, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 05:03 PM)
I am twist and turn and you expect a yes and no answer from me? Playing lawyer now. You should tell me earlier, saves me trouble to write a lengthy post.

Islam teach its follower to love and respect parents especially mother. I am not arguing who starts the idea, but then again you might end up accuse me twist and turn.
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So you dont have the guts to say all those Indian based NGOs are lying?
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post Jul 22 2012, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jul 22 2012, 06:17 PM)
who is more malay ?

ridhuan tee abdullah  or Zairil " Khir Johari"  Abdullah ?
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Surely a Genuine Malay not gonna lose to a WANABEE Malay LOL
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post Jul 22 2012, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 06:54 PM)
So you dont have the guts to say all those Indian based NGOs are lying?
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Why should i accuse them of lying? All of ngos regardless of race have their own objectives. Hindraf are not ngos and they are illegal and they have blur vision about what they are fighting for. They accuse the government are sideline the indian which is off course not true. I dont go ballisitc and call all of the ngos are lying. I hope you can engage in this discussion in such a healthy and respective manner.
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jul 22 2012, 06:17 PM)
who is more malay ?

ridhuan tee abdullah  or Zairil " Khir Johari"  Abdullah ?
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You got it worng, ridhuan tee is not a malay on the first place. He is mualaf. A muslim convert. Muslim is not exclysively only for malay. This misconception should be clear.

You can google and see how even a norwegian convert to islam and and they are muslim and they are not malay.
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post Jul 22 2012, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 07:02 PM)
Why should i accuse them of lying? All of ngos regardless of race have their own objectives. Hindraf are not ngos and they are illegal and they have blur vision about what they are fighting for. They accuse the government are sideline the indian which is off course not true. I dont go ballisitc and call all of the ngos are lying. I hope you can engage in this discussion in such a healthy and respective manner.
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But most Indian based NGOs are accusing the goverment of sidelining the Indian. Since you are right, they must be lying then. So, please go ahead and sue this NGO and tell them right on their face that they are a LIAR for accusing the goverment.
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post Jul 22 2012, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 07:24 PM)
You got it worng, ridhuan tee is not a malay on the first place. He is mualaf. A muslim convert. Muslim is not exclysively only for malay. This misconception should be clear.

You can google and see how even a norwegian convert to islam and and they are muslim and they are not malay.
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How do you define Malay? This is what according to the constitution of Malaysia. You seems to enjoy putting your own personal opinion as the Gospel truth without caring about facts.



Article 160(2) of the Constitution of Malaysia defines various terms used in the Constitution. It has an important impact on Islam in Malaysia and the Malay people due to its definition of a Malay person. The article defines a Malay as a person who satisfies two sets of criteria:
First, the person must be one who professes to be a Muslim, habitually speaks the Malay language, and adheres to Malay customs.
Second, the person must have been:
(i) (a) domiciled in the Federation or Singapore on Merdeka Day, (b) born in the Federation or Singapore before Merdeka Day, or © born before Merdeka Day of parents one of whom was born in the Federation or Singapore, (collectively, the "Merdeka Day population") or
(ii) is a descendent of a member of the Merdeka Day population.

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 08:22 PM)
But most Indian based NGOs are accusing the goverment of sidelining the Indian. Since you are right, they must be lying then. So, please go ahead and sue this NGO and tell them right on their face that they are a LIAR for accusing the goverment.
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You should do that instead of forcing to do something not in my interest. I dont for a fact call any ngo are liar and as hindraf is not ngo, it is illegal establishment. I never say i was right but that is my opinion and i stand firm on it and i expect you to respect and share out your opinion. You dont have to be emotional and ask me to sue just because you have problem consuming my opinion. Bear in mind this is free country and everyone have rights to express their own opinion. You might not like my opinion but you have option to just ignore or share your opinion but not up to getting emotional and accuse me of saying others are lying. And went further to forcing me to sue others. I dont know what are you trying to achieve and what are you trying to convey here. Perhaps you can bring your extremist idea to other place that might find it as amusing

QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 08:25 PM)
How do you define Malay? This is what according to the constitution of Malaysia. You seems to enjoy putting your own personal opinion as the Gospel truth without caring about facts.
Article 160(2) of the Constitution of Malaysia defines various terms used in the Constitution. It has an important impact on Islam in Malaysia and the Malay people due to its definition of a Malay person. The article defines a Malay as a person who satisfies two sets of criteria:
First, the person must be one who professes to be a Muslim, habitually speaks the Malay language, and adheres to Malay customs.
Second, the person must have been:
(i) (a) domiciled in the Federation or Singapore on Merdeka Day, (b) born in the Federation or Singapore before Merdeka Day, or © born before Merdeka Day of parents one of whom was born in the Federation or Singapore, (collectively, the "Merdeka Day population") or
(ii) is a descendent of a member of the Merdeka Day population.

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Malay is a race. Chinese is a race too. Constituition is there to provide guidance and valid according to the law but you might missed out that in johor their definition of malay went another step higher in which it defines that malay who were born in johor will be acknowledged as malay which directly renders all malay in other state to become non malay.

I am indian. I embrace islam just recently and i speak malay so does that mean i am a malay now? My physical appearance suggest the otherwise and i am even proud to acknowledge myself as indian rather than blindly labelling myself as malay.
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lol bergaduh dengan si joe mamak. memang la sampai ke tua dia nak menang..in fact dia bukan betul pun...

aku lol pada semua
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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 08:53 PM)
You should do that instead of forcing to do something not in my interest. I dont for a fact call any ngo are liar and as hindraf is not ngo, it is illegal establishment. I never say i was right but that is my opinion and i stand firm on it and i expect you to respect and share out your opinion. You dont have to be emotional and ask me to sue just because you have problem consuming my opinion. Bear in mind this is free country and everyone have rights to express their own opinion. You might not like my opinion but you have option to just ignore or share your opinion but not up to getting emotional and accuse me of saying others are lying. And went further to forcing me to sue others. I dont know what are you trying to achieve and what are you trying to convey here. Perhaps you can bring your extremist idea to other place that might find it as amusing
Malay is a race. Chinese is a race too. Constituition is there to provide guidance and valid according to the law but you might missed out that in johor their definition of malay went another step higher in which it defines that malay who were born in johor will be acknowledged as malay which directly renders all malay in other state to become non malay.

I am indian. I embrace islam just recently and i speak malay so does that mean i am a malay now? My physical appearance suggest the otherwise and i am even proud to acknowledge myself as indian rather than blindly labelling myself as malay.
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i must admit that indian much tolerate than chinese.
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post Jul 22 2012, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jul 22 2012, 08:53 PM)
You should do that instead of forcing to do something not in my interest. I dont for a fact call any ngo are liar and as hindraf is not ngo, it is illegal establishment. I never say i was right but that is my opinion and i stand firm on it and i expect you to respect and share out your opinion. You dont have to be emotional and ask me to sue just because you have problem consuming my opinion. Bear in mind this is free country and everyone have rights to express their own opinion. You might not like my opinion but you have option to just ignore or share your opinion but not up to getting emotional and accuse me of saying others are lying. And went further to forcing me to sue others. I dont know what are you trying to achieve and what are you trying to convey here. Perhaps you can bring your extremist idea to other place that might find it as amusing
Malay is a race. Chinese is a race too. Constituition is there to provide guidance and valid according to the law but you might missed out that in johor their definition of malay went another step higher in which it defines that malay who were born in johor will be acknowledged as malay which directly renders all malay in other state to become non malay.

I am indian. I embrace islam just recently and i speak malay so does that mean i am a malay now? My physical appearance suggest the otherwise and i am even proud to acknowledge myself as indian rather than blindly labelling myself as malay.
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I thought constitution is the highest law in any country, not to provide guidance ?.
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QUOTE(11c @ Jul 22 2012, 09:20 PM)
I thought constitution is the highest law in any country, not to provide guidance ?.
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You are right it is the highest law in any country but can you imagine people are actually want to amend the constitution? Plus is is a man made law so please dont be like some who take it as divine

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QUOTE(elmodistortion @ Jul 22 2012, 09:15 PM)
lol bergaduh dengan si joe mamak. memang la sampai ke tua dia nak menang..in fact dia bukan betul pun...

aku lol pada semua
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