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post Jul 21 2012, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(krizalid88 @ Jul 20 2012, 06:43 PM)
dis fag sikit2 label dap ultra kiasu, ultra kiasu..dafuq
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because

1. he is chinese

2. he understand mandarin

in conclusion he really knows everything about his people, about what they say and what they really want. only malays are thinking they are unity among PAS, DAP and PKR.

wait till DAP show their true color.
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post Jul 21 2012, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(stinger82 @ Jul 21 2012, 03:26 AM)
huh?

muyutin said even ameno dunno how malai think.

how can he knows everything about his people? he is branded traitor if i'm not mistaken.
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he was called a traitor because he convert into islam and start criticizing his own race, especially DAP. and that really shows how tolerate they are.
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post Jul 21 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 21 2012, 03:21 PM)
What if he is really what he is alleged to be? 

We can't call a spade a spade?
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what he did till granted them to call him traitor?
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post Jul 21 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 21 2012, 04:13 PM)
You go read his writings.

Here, a critique.

http://hartalmsm.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/...da-scary-truly/
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it is just a matter of opinion. and how you understand it. i dont think he is actually suggesting that ethnic cleansing should take into place. and to consider he is actually a muslim and never in this world muslim did any massacre or ethnic cleansing for that matter. muslim soldiers treat their POWs with great respects and that is the teaching of Islam.

ridhuan tee is a pious muslim who wrote the truth about certain people of his race. and oversensitive ultra kiasu couldnt accept even the slightest critics, and call him traitor.
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post Jul 21 2012, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jul 21 2012, 04:39 PM)
ya, DAP cannot tolerate stupid ppl critic them, problem?

mahafiraun cannot tolerate smart ppl critic them, problem?
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mahafiraun is mahathir? go read at his blog and see how he never filter any of the comments. unlike anwar ibrahim who shoo away anyone who ask question not favor of him in press conference. and mahathir cannot tolerate critics?


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post Jul 22 2012, 04:25 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 22 2012, 12:35 AM)
Oh, that's just his blog. 

While he was PM, did he tolerate criticism very well? 

Oh, he must also be another someone you look up to, besides Ridhuan Tee.
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that is characteristic of him as a leader. leaders lead and we gotta admit he did pretty well. it was the same as lee kuan yew too where he doesnt like critics and he admit it openly.

QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 12:56 AM)
So is hindraf for hindus only or also for indian muslim? Also, can we get mahathir to do a dna test to see he is more of an indian or malay?
Why is Indian in malaysia neglected when they have one as a national leader?
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you went too far to even question his colour. you should look into yourself. i am indian myself and i am doing well and i dont know which part of me or my family were being neglected where we dont even have any political influences at all. me and my family are just normal citizen and we dont have any bumi rights to begin with. but all of us, human being have one thing in common to success, that is hard work. lots of indian out there realize about this and they start working hard and some even better than me, they own restaurant, open their law practice, their clinics and some even monopoly the satellite tv. yes they are indian

if you all about asking a favour you might get it but in return it wont be a dignify life.
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post Jul 22 2012, 05:29 AM

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QUOTE(hazremi @ Jul 22 2012, 05:01 AM)
what a great reply to a racist remark
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im just telling out the truth. some people neglect the truth so they find easy way out blaming others for their sorry life, instead of working hard to achieve success.
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post Jul 22 2012, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(liverpool2020 @ Jul 22 2012, 05:31 AM)
This guys is a traitor
He sell his soul for benefits
Itsut like those chinese who served Japanese military during world war 2 for benefits
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jul 22 2012, 11:12 AM)
Next you'll be saying anyone and everyone who bowed their heads when the British and later on the Japanese overlords walk past were all traitors without any exceptions.
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This is what we call a selective judgement. One fella who convert to islam and openly telling the truth about his race and criticisize the over kiasu attitude of certain people are call traitor.

Another fella who was a politician and openly admitted he is the type of person who the end justify the means and historically proven he is traitor, according to some, is not a traitor.
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post Jul 22 2012, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 11:26 AM)
So you mean hindraf is a scam? Since they always shout that indians are being discriminated? I thought previously you talk so much about KBP folks being discriminated that they are "forced" out of their own land? So now suddenly all is jolly good for you, lol.

So what is wrong if mahafiaun admits his dna is more of an indian? Can ridhuan tee's offspring deny that their dna is more of a chinese later on in their life? Or will they conveniently pass off as a malay?
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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 11:29 AM)
I guess you are saying that those millions of indian estate workers are not working hard enough. Am i right?
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First of all, hindraf is not a scam. It is illegal organization who have blur mission and objective and they dont have clear path on what they are trying to achieve and what they are trying to fight for. Same like perkasa who are nothing but just a media show. They will assembly, make noise and media will be there. nothing more than that. The only different is hindraf is illegal, and they use force. remember their first illegal demo when they claimed they have been brutalised but as a matter of fact they are the ones who throw stones and beat the crap out of the police. It was like punching buffet for klang gangsters.

Both mahathur and ridhuan tee never deny their blood. Ridhuan tee still visits his parents and they have very good relationships and that my friend is the teaching of islam.

Third. I am indian, my grandparents was cattle farmer in kampung buah pala and we are poor. My parents work hard and land him a small flat. I work had and i bought a terrace and an apartment. Not only me but lots of indian work hard and they got what they deserve and we dont even need any special rights. You are trying so hard to paint a poor picture on indian community giving false image that indian are soo poor and heavily marginalised where the fact we are doing extremely well and we are all are having a healthy discussion in the largest online community in malaysia, founded by an indian.
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post Jul 22 2012, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 22 2012, 03:54 PM)
Errr...that's not the truth; that is his opinion only and he might well be wrong. 

Why keep bringing up his conversion?  Does it lend more weight to his opinions?
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Yes. You are right. that is merely his opinion and he might be wrong. But that still does not justify himself to be called a traitor. I am stating fact that he is muslim. Thats all.
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post Jul 22 2012, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 04:54 PM)
No, i did not mention that the Indian are poor. I am merely quoting what Hindraf and other Indian based NGOs are saying. They say that majority of Indian are marginalized, and you are telling me otherwise. So, either you are right and or they are right. If you are right, then those Indian based NGOs are spreading lies all these while, am I right? That is the question i am throwing to you, and you dont have to twist and turn to answer, just yes and no will do.

Secondly, since when did Mahathir says he is an Indian? Can an Indian join UMNO, instead of MIC? Please enlighten me. Thank You.

Also, being filial is a teaching of Confucius. And that dated back to aprrox 500 BC, while Islam is being founded aprox 600AD .
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I am twist and turn and you expect a yes and no answer from me? Playing lawyer now. You should tell me earlier, saves me trouble to write a lengthy post.

Islam teach its follower to love and respect parents especially mother. I am not arguing who starts the idea, but then again you might end up accuse me twist and turn.
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post Jul 22 2012, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 06:54 PM)
So you dont have the guts to say all those Indian based NGOs are lying?
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Why should i accuse them of lying? All of ngos regardless of race have their own objectives. Hindraf are not ngos and they are illegal and they have blur vision about what they are fighting for. They accuse the government are sideline the indian which is off course not true. I dont go ballisitc and call all of the ngos are lying. I hope you can engage in this discussion in such a healthy and respective manner.
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post Jul 22 2012, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Jul 22 2012, 06:17 PM)
who is more malay ?

ridhuan tee abdullah  or Zairil " Khir Johari"  Abdullah ?
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You got it worng, ridhuan tee is not a malay on the first place. He is mualaf. A muslim convert. Muslim is not exclysively only for malay. This misconception should be clear.

You can google and see how even a norwegian convert to islam and and they are muslim and they are not malay.
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post Jul 22 2012, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 08:22 PM)
But most Indian based NGOs are accusing the goverment of sidelining the Indian. Since you are right, they must be lying then. So, please go ahead and sue this NGO and tell them right on their face that they are a LIAR for accusing the goverment.
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You should do that instead of forcing to do something not in my interest. I dont for a fact call any ngo are liar and as hindraf is not ngo, it is illegal establishment. I never say i was right but that is my opinion and i stand firm on it and i expect you to respect and share out your opinion. You dont have to be emotional and ask me to sue just because you have problem consuming my opinion. Bear in mind this is free country and everyone have rights to express their own opinion. You might not like my opinion but you have option to just ignore or share your opinion but not up to getting emotional and accuse me of saying others are lying. And went further to forcing me to sue others. I dont know what are you trying to achieve and what are you trying to convey here. Perhaps you can bring your extremist idea to other place that might find it as amusing

QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 08:25 PM)
How do you define Malay? This is what according to the constitution of Malaysia. You seems to enjoy putting your own personal opinion as the Gospel truth without caring about facts.
Article 160(2) of the Constitution of Malaysia defines various terms used in the Constitution. It has an important impact on Islam in Malaysia and the Malay people due to its definition of a Malay person. The article defines a Malay as a person who satisfies two sets of criteria:
First, the person must be one who professes to be a Muslim, habitually speaks the Malay language, and adheres to Malay customs.
Second, the person must have been:
(i) (a) domiciled in the Federation or Singapore on Merdeka Day, (b) born in the Federation or Singapore before Merdeka Day, or © born before Merdeka Day of parents one of whom was born in the Federation or Singapore, (collectively, the "Merdeka Day population") or
(ii) is a descendent of a member of the Merdeka Day population.

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Malay is a race. Chinese is a race too. Constituition is there to provide guidance and valid according to the law but you might missed out that in johor their definition of malay went another step higher in which it defines that malay who were born in johor will be acknowledged as malay which directly renders all malay in other state to become non malay.

I am indian. I embrace islam just recently and i speak malay so does that mean i am a malay now? My physical appearance suggest the otherwise and i am even proud to acknowledge myself as indian rather than blindly labelling myself as malay.
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post Jul 22 2012, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jul 22 2012, 09:20 PM)
I thought constitution is the highest law in any country, not to provide guidance ?.
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You are right it is the highest law in any country but can you imagine people are actually want to amend the constitution? Plus is is a man made law so please dont be like some who take it as divine

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post Jul 23 2012, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 22 2012, 10:48 PM)
Will you register your child as an Indian or Malay?


Added on July 22, 2012, 10:49 pm

Will you register your child as an Indian or Malay?
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i dont know why you need to ask such question. is it really necessary for you to know?
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post Jul 23 2012, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 23 2012, 10:35 AM)
I asked pertinent question about the amendments made to the constitution.  But you don't want to answer.  whistling.gif
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i choose not to answer.
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post Jul 23 2012, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 23 2012, 10:39 AM)
You are a proud Indian Muslim, and you keep saying that. So, i dont see why you cant give a direct answer as you will register your child as Indian.

Remember dont lie in the Ramadhan month.
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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 23 2012, 11:11 AM)
Lets see how he twist
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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 23 2012, 11:38 AM)
Your question he needs to consult Utusan how to spin.
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jul 23 2012, 02:33 PM)
leeches, has been going around tok cock and bull without facts. suggesting that songlap is OKAY under the current administration. must be one of the pro BN cronies. i wonder how much he got for getting to be a BN trooper? leeches, mind telling us how CIA trained you?
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QUOTE(herbie35 @ Jul 23 2012, 02:43 PM)
wahahaha..i love this guy..
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QUOTE(klk888 @ Jul 23 2012, 03:37 PM)
He is still waiting for Utusan directive to spin his way out i guess.
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wow this thread has become a hate thread about me. so much for the freedom of speech.
i will just leave it here and will not answer any of the above. feel free to make any assumption to suit your ego
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post Jul 23 2012, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jul 23 2012, 04:50 PM)
Why not?  smile.gif 

You insinuated that some people want to amend the constitution.  Seems you take issue with that, right? 

While you seem not the least bit concerned that there has been many amendments made to the constitution.  By some count, hundreds of amendments.  Or perhaps you are ok with that because the amendments were made by BN.
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nope. i am fully aware with audience here and how your replied, so i guess the best thing is not to answer. it will lead to nowhere. look pal, people here even start to judge me and even went further asking about my personal things so what is there for me to say? i guess if it happen in real life you guys might even send a life bullet to me.


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