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 Magic Find Increases Quality of Rares, not just the drop chance

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post Jul 14 2012, 11:10 AM

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Just want to know..how about chance of whimsyshire level at highest mf +100 with nv..is it any chance to drop better item like act1,2,3 or 4? or is it good place for farming?
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QUOTE(takino88 @ Jul 14 2012, 11:10 AM)
Just want to know..how about chance of whimsyshire level at highest mf +100 with nv..is it any chance to drop better item like act1,2,3 or 4? or is it good place for farming?
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I thought they nerfed the mf% in whimsyshire? last time I got my precious shield from there (pony hell) with 1.2k armor/3.7k block/15%mf+15%gf/15% block

If you can farm pony inferno, you'll have little problem doing so in act 3 inferno.
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post Jul 14 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 14 2012, 11:01 AM)
MF gives you higher chance, it has been proven by studies published. Blizzard also already published in game guide that MF affects affix quanitity of rare.
The problem is there is no finding that Act 3 has higher base affix count. The only study that is ever proven is that Act 3 has high drop chance of ilvl 63, and that's all. I'm in the camp that Act 3 drops have the same standard affix tier and lower Acts.

As a statistically pointless anecdote, I have been farming Act 3 regularly yet my earnings far lags behind my friend who farms Act 1 with 250MF, a factor of 10 to 1.

If you're still interested, a Reddit post is up for ongoing studies on the effects of MF on Affix count, probably on Goblins.
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Meh.Cant find any study on affix count, just this
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/57939-ongo...stical-insight/

Even if there were any study, Im 100% sure that they will find higher act have higher base affix drop rate,
unless blizzard dev are total morons and somehow make them the same across all acts.


A theoretical graphical presentation that should be how mf effectiveness works across acts (taking affixes and ilvl drop rates into account)

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This is just my opinion.
If you still think that its so skewed that it would work like this:

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Then its up to you.

edit cos the board eats up spaces rclxub.gif

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post Jul 14 2012, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 14 2012, 11:01 AM)
Do you understand what is probability? Guarantee =/= higher chance  sweat.gif 

MF gives you higher chance, it has been proven by studies published. Blizzard also already published in game guide that MF affects affix quanitity of rare.
The problem is there is no finding that Act 3 has higher base affix count. The only study that is ever proven is that Act 3 has high drop chance of ilvl 63, and that's all. I'm in the camp that Act 3 drops have the same standard affix tier and lower Acts.

As a statistically pointless anecdote, I have been farming Act 3 regularly yet my earnings far lags behind my friend who farms Act 1 with 250MF, a factor of 10 to 1.

If you're still interested, a Reddit post is up for ongoing studies on the effects of MF on Affix count, probably on Goblins.
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hmmmm my mf% switch gear can pump my mf% up to 302% (include 75% from 5NV) so i should just farm act1 enough oh? since it is safer.
act2 can die if not careful lulz.

i.e. i switch to 302% mf% before making killing blow for elites.

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post Jul 14 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 13 2012, 01:25 PM)
CONCLUSION: Fuuck Act 3, just farm Act 1 or 2 with 200+MF

I was just thinking randomly.

We are assuming that the %'age chance for multiple affixes from act3 vs act1 mobs is the same. What if it is different?

What I mean is this. We know that MF doesn't affect proportion of ilvl 63 items. However as per this thread, it affects the chance of getting higher number of affixes.

We are assuming that an act 1 elite has the same base %'age chance of dropping 6 affix as an act 3 elite. What if it's different?
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post Jul 14 2012, 01:44 PM

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I did an MF run again in Act1 but to my disappointment, the number of affix looks the same only mostly 4 liners, maybe its just me. Need more testing.
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my MF% not high but I find Act II gives me better stuff than Act I.
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post Jul 14 2012, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(nightshade_nova @ Jul 14 2012, 11:42 AM)
Meh.Cant find any study on affix count, just this
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/57939-ongo...stical-insight/

Even if there were any study, Im 100% sure that they will find higher act have higher base affix drop rate,
unless blizzard dev are total morons and somehow make them the same across all acts.
You can't be 100% sure of something that is pulled out of nowhere and completely unproven. You are basing everything on your own opinion that non-MF A3 should better than MF A1, out of some idea of "fairness".

You have to explain why they would be morons to have the same roll table accross the board. Act 3 already has higher ilvl63 drop rate, so 200MF Act 3 is guaranteed to be better than 200MF Act 1.

QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 14 2012, 01:16 PM)
I was just thinking randomly.

We are assuming that the %'age chance for multiple affixes from act3 vs act1 mobs is the same. What if it is different?

What I mean is this. We know that MF doesn't affect proportion of ilvl 63 items. However as per this thread, it affects the chance of getting higher number of affixes.

We are assuming that an act 1 elite has the same base %'age chance of dropping 6 affix as an act 3 elite. What if it's different?
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The idea that base affix increases by act is the assumption that should be questioned, not the other way round.

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post Jul 14 2012, 02:58 PM

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Agreed, I did a 0% (75% NV5) MF run on Act2 and I found 9xx DPS sword that sold for millions already while Act1 are mostly salvageable junk
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post Jul 14 2012, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 14 2012, 02:49 PM)
The idea that base affix increases by act is the assumption that should be questioned, not the other way round.

Toe-Mah-Toe vs To-Mey-Do. Whichever way you want to look at it, has there been any announcement by the blue's confirming it either way? If it's not confirmed by blues, what makes you so sure that an act 3 mob has exactly the same base chance of dropping a 6-affix rare vs an act 1 mob?
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 14 2012, 03:15 PM)
Toe-Mah-Toe vs To-Mey-Do. Whichever way you want to look at it, has there been any announcement by the blue's confirming it either way? If it's not confirmed by blues, what makes you so sure that an act 3 mob has exactly the same base chance of dropping a 6-affix rare vs an act 1 mob?
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And what makes you think it doesn't? The burden of proof is yours.

The blizzard drop rate info reveal only shows ilvl rate differences, and there have been no new finding towards base affix rates being different. In the absence of any new leads, it is scientifically correct to assume all things being equal.

Again, the burden of proof is yours.
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post Jul 14 2012, 03:32 PM

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post Jul 14 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Jul 14 2012, 03:32 PM)
i've found some gear in act1 with 7 affixes (although the most recent being a ilevel 57 tbh...)
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some affixes are combination of 2-3 stats (e.g. STR and INT together in one affix)
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post Jul 14 2012, 05:40 PM

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yesterday i did act1,2,3,4 inferno.... killed all bosses with 5 buff. all junk 340+ mf buffed

lol. im pretty sure its bliz controlling the economy.
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QUOTE(biatche @ Jul 14 2012, 05:40 PM)
yesterday i did act1,2,3,4 inferno.... killed all bosses with 5 buff. all junk 340+ mf buffed

lol. im pretty sure its bliz controlling the economy.
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I have to agree...seems like whether Act 1,2,3 or 4, the drops are really getting crappy. I ran like 4 hours straight on Act 1. Only had like 6 Level 63 drops. And they were absolutely horrendous. 400Dps hand bow 500 dps spear. 1000 shield with 13% block...I mean wtf? FYI I run with 215% MF after buff. I really think Blizzard has mods the RNG for the allixes and forcing us to the RMAH. As it stands..there is probably no way to play this game if you dont want to AH or RMAH. It is absolutely impposible to find something which YOU can useto improve on your own EQ.

I think I am going to give it up soon
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post Jul 14 2012, 09:00 PM

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ran 2 hours act1 with 200%MF and another 2 hour with just 2x%MF both with 5buff... did not feel any different. 99% of drops still junk.
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post Jul 14 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 14 2012, 03:25 PM)
And what makes you think it doesn't? The burden of proof is yours.
The blizzard drop rate info reveal only shows ilvl rate differences, and there have been no new finding towards base affix rates being different. In the absence of any new leads, it is scientifically correct to assume all things being equal.
Again, the burden of proof is yours.

*shrug* I'm just throwing out some possibilities. Personally I don't care either way since I farm only Act 1 & Act 2 cos I can't be arsed to die multiple times in Act 3/4 (and I'm lazy to gearswitch). Doesn't matter to me if you decide to dismiss the possibility outright just because "Blizzard hasn't said so."

Take this thread for example. Bliz only revealed that MF affects # of affixes like what, 3 or 4 days ago. So if someone came up with this theory 2-3 weeks ago, I suppose you would have also dismissed it outright "because Blizzard has not said anything about it?" If the entire community takes this stance we would still be wondering how exactly armor and resistance affect total damage reduction.
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post Jul 14 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jul 14 2012, 10:09 PM)
*shrug* I'm just throwing out some possibilities. Personally I don't care either way since I farm only Act 1 & Act 2 cos I can't be arsed to die multiple times in Act 3/4 (and I'm lazy to gearswitch). Doesn't matter to me if you decide to dismiss the possibility outright just because "Blizzard hasn't said so."

Take this thread for example. Bliz only revealed that MF affects # of affixes like what, 3 or 4 days ago. So if someone came up with this theory 2-3 weeks ago, I suppose you would have also dismissed it outright "because Blizzard has not said anything about it?" If the entire community takes this stance we would still be wondering how exactly armor and resistance affect total damage reduction.
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What's the point of all this? Now you are accusing me of callous negligence just because I made the correct decision to consider all other factors being equal until new information arrives, which by then we adapt again.

What do you expect me to do? Take your possibility into account and use it as truth, make up some numbers for it? There are so many different unproven possibilites out there people can throw out too, do I consider them too?

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