Among all the forummers, I condemn I&P the most I think. I also comment on the Bandar Kinrara Community Forum. I visit their Kinrara sales office alomost every mth since 1998. Like Mah Sing, I&P has a bad track record back 23 yrs ago when they started in Bdr Kinrara and Butterworth.
Back then, in terms of :

1) House quality - among the worst in Puchong
2) House Facade - among the worst too
3) House layout - among the worst
4) Concept - No concept
5) Township planning - they lost (particulary in commercial aspect)
6) Service & hospitality - Nothing different fr today
7) Pricing - No cheap becoz using lousy building material
8) Workmanship - no eye see
9) Sales office image - You won't feel like going to buy

I may hv different feeling fr some of you guys in this thread, if we examine all the 9 aspects from 1998, you can see some improvements overall (averagely) (I&P 50%) vs Mah Sing (80%) vs SPS (200%) vs IOI (70%).
The things I ever proposed to the head of department / Sales staff -
1. Better marketing brochures and design (sample showed) - Not follow
2. Show house (sample show) - Ya, this year I&P Service Residence is going to hv show room
3. SA product knowledge - No improvement
4. Better show room - AI show room really a change
5. Sell features and benefits (polish selling skills) - The best weapons they hv but dunno how to use
6. Product design (facade & Concept) - They always claims that it is too late for G&G, but at least perimeter fence has been set up in most of the new phases.
7. Suggestion on future service apartment size (Petaling 8 - a failure) -I think they learn fr the mistake, now they has tried to follow the mkt trend (smaller size apartment to suite affordability, design also look better now)

An outlook of the future Service Apartment in Bdr Kinrara :-



This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 10 2013, 10:18 AM

True.
Hard to change to rigid culture. I just want to clarify that I hv raised the service concern to the head, if they ignore it, so what can I (purchaser) do?
The thing is very simple, your money you decide.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 10 2013, 10:29 AM

You keep standing there for few hours, the SA keeps "no hew" Lu for hours
So I say, the most happiest person are IJM & TTDI Boss now.
Who benefit the most fr I&P in competitiveness :-
IOI - Bdr Puchong Jaya, Bdr Puteri
SPS - Pusat Bdr Puchong
TTDI - Alam Impian
Paragon Ex S/B - Paragon Heights
IJM - Bdr Rimbayu
Main contractor for early phases - the build lousy house and I&P clear the shxx for them

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 10 2013, 02:10 PM

A1 & A1a - Living = 25.13' which I think very shallow
A2 & A2a - Living = 30.67' just nice

Alternatively, for A1 & A1a, you can swap the guest room and the kitchen.

you convert the guest room into dry kitchen and extend the wet kitchen at the back, remove the wall in between guest room and living. Existing kitchen become Guest room. It will cost easily 20K. A1 building is 5ft (59.4') longer than A2 (54.5'), if for me, I need more rooms, I will take A1 and spend some budget for the kitchen modification.

Modification like this :-


This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 10 2013, 12:19 PM

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This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 10 2013, 01:02 PM

Apple to apple comparison, link house to link house within the same price range (per sf price)
It is very subjective, I never say I&P new house building material and workmanship are perfect, of course sand bricks is the lowest grade, a component of a house consists of 20+ building materials, fr roof covering, piping, foundation, sanitary fitting, floor finishing etc.

I hv a word with a main contractor who tender the project for SPS and I&P, based on the specifications listed by both developers, he has to markup up 36% in the building costing for I&P AI project. For I&P project, % of bricks expenses is less than 8% of total building cost.
I merely give my own opinion as a purchaser, you hv your point not to agree.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 10 2013, 02:08 PM

Concept is concept, building quality is building quality, can't you differentiate in between?

Clay bricks is definitely better, sound and heat insulation much better, new type called Kalsa bricks also enhance hardness compared to sand bricks

Teamsya Phase 1 by Petaling Garden

Now under I&P

What's wrong with that?
You only compare type of bricks all the while?

Mana boleh macam ini? Spot on a sexy girlfriend & leaving behind the old "FAT" (fat tat) wife?

Dun engage me, otherwise I will sure screw up yr renovation!

You are my bruddderrr!

P1 but the picture posted is wrong, the agent put P3 picture

Rental rate is expected below than 3.5% gross I think. P1 VP shd be June 2013, contractor hint.
Unforeseen interruption fr certain parties

Unless the situation is like Bdr Rimbayu where Bumi take up rate is lower than 50% and leasehold title will restrict the transfer.
I am also not sure the different between MJSA and MPSJ, in Kinrara, all f/h Bumi lot can be transferred easily (to non- Bumi) within 5 yrs. I did raise this issue with the person in charge, she said for freehold project, there will be certain % allocated for Bumi buyers, Kinrara project which needs to allocate 30% quota to unit will normally sold / fulfilled by Bumi buyers during the launch, many are I&P associates. If 30% quota is complied during the launching or prior to VP, then Bumi lot can be transferred freely. AI shdn't hv such restriction, anyone fr Kota Kemuning can confirm this?

About leasehold property, my understanding is
- if 1st owner is Bumi, cannot sell to non-Bumi within 5 yrs
- if 1st owner is Bumi, go through "special channel" to sell to non-Bumi within 5 yrs, the subsequent (2nd purchaser) whom is non-Bumi will hv difficulty to sell to another non-Bumi, he has to sell back to Bumi. (Of course there are lawyers out there Ada lubang to do it)



This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 12 2013, 11:00 AM

I&P AI landed link property is bout 1,950 units only (1,235 acres) compared to Kota Kemuning and Bdr Rimbayu (estimated 5,500 units - 1,879 acres), the density is superbly low for link houses, I can say % speculator in AI is definitely much lower than Bdr Rimbayu, although going very slow, AI Superlink homes has all it takes to appreciate in the future (at least 30% by 2015)
Commercial planning is something very lacking with I&P management, I keep my finger cross that they can turn it like Kota Kemuning / Bkt Rimau.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 12 2013, 11:09 AM

Commercial project shd be launched this year, according to SA.