The main different between TTDI & I&P in AI is "style of playing football"
TTDI - Attaching forward
I&P - Goalkeeper / or sometimes I even feel that they prefer to be a linesman

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 12 2013, 12:15 PM

I am not too much worry on the house pricing in AI. Look at Bdr Kinrara, after 21 yrs of development, the commercial development aspect has been a failure, based on geographical facts in 1997, we predicted that Bdr Kinrara can be the next LCG in Puchong, but it soon replaced by Bdr Puteri as the core business zone.
Until today, Bdr Kinrara still has bout 30 acres of commercial land, I can't see I&P can overturn the position now, nothing much she can do as 2 mega mix developments projects in Bkt Jalil i.e Jalil City and Paradigm OUG mix development (similar size to Mid Valley City) will soon become the new hotspot.
Kinrara landed price is still among the Top 3 most expensive in Puchong, location and accessibility is still the key factor for residential property, AI is sandwiched between, Setia Alam, I-City (North) and Kota Kemuning / Bkt Rimau (South), the position is something like Bdr Kinrara vs Bdr Puteri and Bkt Jalil.

It needs time, 2016.

p/s : For those who is 1st time buying I&P product, you must go to see the finished house.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 12 2013, 12:57 PM

The population in Kinrara is 2X larger than AI (when both comes to maturity date), I am quite sure AI will be a repeat of Bdr Kinrara.
Unlike residential property in which the value will appreciate due to factors like location, G&G, self sustainable township decelopment, facade, practical layout and building quality.
Shoplot success factor is very much to do with the developer's ability to design tenant mix and pull key tenants in, on top of that, mkt catchment, buying power and "NUMBER" of shoplots is very important. Location is still no so important to me.
In between Bdr Rimbayu and AI, BR has much more potential.
Of course I do pray hard that I am totally wrong with my prediction.

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 12 2013, 01:34 PM

True

Frankly if not Kota Kemuning and Bkt Rimau at the other corner, I won't buy AI

I believe I&P has their own set of own ship planning, fr my observation of the last 15 yrs development, I&P does not seems putting "Maximising resources and maximizing profit" as the company priority goal.

I&P is more like a non-profit organization who aims to build affordable home for middle income group, they did improve and make changes in
1) Township planning (+30%)
2) Building quality (+90%)
3) Building facade (+35%)
4) Layout (60%)
5) Selling price (+10%)
6) Sales office (AI + 70%)
7) SA quality (-20%)
8) Brochures / website design (+30%)
9) Delivery on time (+50%)
10) Responsive to defect claims (+40%)

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 12 2013, 03:32 PM

This is a public forum, nothing sensitive here

Local mafia

Pentas 1






Pentas 1 - Porch width - 16 ' / Ceiling height - 10'7"



Pentas 2 - Porch width - 17' 8"

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 31 2013, 08:26 PM

A bit rush, somebody pls help
Ceiling height for P2 & P3 - next trip

Hard to predict, it depends on
1) How many put up "For Sale" upon VP
2) The response for existing old phases like Canting, Arca etc
3) The new selling price for new launch by I&P
4) Mkt sentiment

My guess, 850K for immediate buyer upon VP, 900K - 3rd / 4th quarter
1.2 / 1.3 mil - 2016
The future price for AI is depend on how soon I&P clears the new stock, AI has bout 700 new link houses to go, the overall AI link house price will hv a BIG jump when the stock (future launch) drop to 10% which is 200 units (total about 1,950 units). I think fr the speed that I&P is doing now, by end 2015 / early 2016 can achieve, by then those Superlink "developer's price" will be around 1.1 mil - 1.2 mil for similar size to P1/2/3. So long the developer is still launching in 2014 & 2015, I dun think I&P will price the new selling price > 1.1 mil, thus no way P1 can touch 1.2 mil by 2015.

I am calculating the future price of P1/2/3 without taking the consideration of commercial activities, unlike Setia Alam, if I&P can factor all the "commercial ingredients" like Setia Alam / DPC into AI, then by 2016, P1/P2/P3 will definitely reach 1.8 mil - 2.0 mil. Setia Alam successful township planning contribute at least 40% to the current house price, DPC 100%, I&P is lacking of this, maximum we can expect is 30% fr AI planning.

The strongest selling point for P1/2/3 are still superb land size, build up and building quality, anyone who has viewed the actual house would need to take some time to "reject the offer".

My 2 cents

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 31 2013, 08:58 PM

My ideal plan to enter AI is year 2015, but plan might change. A few things change my game plan.

1. I&P management team has awaken, they are pricing theirs' product at the mkt rate now. I observed this since 2000 launch in Bdr Kinrara, in 2009, they launched 3 phases 22'x75', 462K, 492K, 530K (average 10% below mkt price), in a sudden by early 2010, another 22'x75' was launched at 700K. This is the time (July) they launched Pentas 1, I knew if I dun but P1, the next launch will be higher and higher. I think my prediction is right when I saw they revise Nukilan 3 pricing fr 508K to 660K-680K.
2. AI best location shd be Precinct 2
3. Pentas series design really good.
4. I know the contractor for P1, he is one of the best contractor for I&P since 1992.
5. Looking at the current launching in KV, i.e latest Sonata Lakeside Residence 22'x75' in Puchong (leasehold) - 770K, Rimbayu 22'x75' - 580K - 617K, Putra Prima (Plenitude) 24'x70' (freehold) - 838K etc, I hv no confident that by 2015-2016, I can buy anything <1.1 mil link house in AI, if the mkt keeps booming after 2013-2014 correction, I will not surprise new launch freehold landed in AI is priced 1.2 mil or more (Superlink size).

I like one of Robert Kiyosaki's quote :-
"In a true investor’s mind, it takes too much time to find a good investment, so they would rather buy and hold"

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Mar 31 2013, 10:38 PM

Most of the time I&P SA dunno the future selling price

Indeed I am a bit worry, many people think property sure make profit which I think is wrong, a few things must be addressed before we comment further.

1. Investment involve risk - although in long run, property is likely to go up, but in short run, the chances for correction is possible
2. No such thing of guarantee make profit after VP (even though it is landed property)
3. If I purchase a property, my bottom hope is that developer must deliver the product (house) to me, making profit or not is the 2nd concern, I hv seen so many abandoned projects in the last 2 decades.

TTDI vs I&P - Alam Impian,

In terms of % appreciation, assume mkt constant
TTDI = Club House + Fenced
I&P = Nil (No fence)

I&P old SD > TTDI latest SD (entry price for I&P is damn low)
Pentas series (1&2) = TTDI latest SD
Pentas series (1&2) > TTDI link house
I&P Precinct 1 = Pentas 3 = TTDI link house
I&P future SD < TTDI link house < TTDI SD
Long run (> 10 yrs), TTDI latest SD > Pentas series

p/s :- Pentas series will most likely fenced

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Apr 1 2013, 02:02 AM

SD - Semi Detached
Before I placed my cheque with I&P, I visited TTDI Zircona launch with another contractor, after a detailed study, both of us bought Pentas eventually
That moment we never consider Pentas will be fenced, apple to apple comparison, even though Zircona is fenced and with club house facility, I still see Pentas has the edge.
Our main concern were :-
1. Location
2. Distance fr river (flood concern)
3. Product feature
4. RM / sf (Bu)
5. Building quality
6. Ease of selling in the future (exposure - Pentas at the road side)

If Zircona also 25'x85' (Bu >3,000sf), then Pentas "finish". Quite a close fight indeed. Fr the product feature and pricing shown, TTDI is clearly the winner. If both developer swap the land, I&P hard to survive in AI.

My 2 bakuli

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Apr 1 2013, 09:53 AM

Well done!

Yes

Berani ya..

If Pentas is fenced, then no need to compare.
Bdr Kinrara new phases (10 phases) since launched since 2007 are fenced (without consent letter signed by all residents like in Pentas).
I remember in 2006 when I talked to the Chinese lady who is the head of sales, she told me that Majlis want to Kacau the existing Tamans (Simfoni and Spektra) which were fenced, BK master plan was summitted long time ago (1990) and no fenced and guarded concept was proposed, thus there was no way that future launch will be fenced, however after so many years, thing has changed, I think partly is due to rising of crime rate in KV, the relevant authority also choose to close one eye not to Kacau and allow existing Tamans to fence up theirs' respective area.

Guard Hse and fence, no boom gate, residents needs to install themselves. But I&P guard house is ugly so far, dunno AI will be better or not. If I&P really spare the budget, they shd consult the residents in order to build a better one. (Residents contribute a bit)

Just want to ask P2 & P3 buyers, do you sign the consent letter for guarded community or not?

This post has been edited by UFO-ET: Apr 2 2013, 02:41 PM