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English Clubs Chelsea FC, UEFA S.Cup - Chelsea 1 v 4 A.Madrid

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post Sep 4 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Zeuss1220 @ Sep 4 2012, 03:42 PM)
I also think Mikel is ok. Just Mikel-Lampard too slow. Both give similar effect to the game, so a bit redundant.
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IMO Mikel is fine, he doesn't need to be real fast, well of course if we're talking about pace, for his role and build, I think he's fine.

Afterall he's still so young, to hold a DM position, I thought he's been doing his job well.

But when he's overshadowed by our Makelele, that's a different story already hehe.
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QUOTE(jenglots @ Sep 4 2012, 04:00 PM)
Unfortunately, Oscar is not yet ready. He got several decent touch when he came in, but he just isnt ready for EPL.
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base on?
He were never given a starting line b4. it hard to see his true potential.

As for mikel. he should increase his pace and passing skill. if he does these he will be on another lvl.
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QUOTE(jenglots @ Sep 4 2012, 04:00 PM)
Unfortunately, Oscar is not yet ready. He got several decent touch when he came in, but he just isnt ready for EPL.
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Yah, its true. Everything is physically harder and faster. However, i think he only can get better.
But don't know whether his position is AM or holding midfield.
For example, Modric played from deep position in Tottenham, but in Real, he play in Ozil position along with Alonso and Khedira.

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post Sep 4 2012, 04:21 PM

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I think it matter of time before OSCAR slotting into first eleven. I think Ramirez should play in deep role because he got very good energy, and suit to play there.
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QUOTE(gry @ Sep 4 2012, 04:21 PM)
I think it matter of time before OSCAR slotting into first eleven. I think Ramirez should play in deep role because he got very good energy, and suit to play there.
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Agree with you. Despite his size, he can handle quite well.
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post Sep 4 2012, 04:26 PM

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what say u if Owen Hargreaves comes to SB?

SOS TIRAM
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QUOTE(acam2812 @ Sep 4 2012, 04:26 PM)
what say u if Owen Hargreaves comes to SB?

SOS TIRAM
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i agree
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post Sep 4 2012, 04:31 PM

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Hargreaves on physio's (Eva) table?
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QUOTE(volrath @ Sep 4 2012, 04:01 PM)
IMO Mikel is fine, he doesn't need to be real fast, well of course if we're talking about pace, for his role and build, I think he's fine.

Afterall he's still so young, to hold a DM position, I thought he's been doing his job well.

But when he's overshadowed by our Makelele, that's a different story already hehe.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 4 2012, 04:12 PM)
As for mikel. he should increase his pace and passing skill. if he does these he will be on another lvl.
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i think MIKEL pace is good enough for DM but i feel he is a bit lazy/slow to press and cover, if u guys still remember the past MAKELELE and ESSIEN, they are very hardworking, they are everywhere covering and pressing. If you rewatch the SuperCup game, the 1st goal, he did not press thus allow the thru ball to happen but i dont really blame him for this, but the problem is after the thru ball is made, he stop running. 2nd goal also same, after the ball get pass him he also stop running. Come on, he is a DM, he is not AM, SS, CF he should run back is case there is rebound to clear. Then even we are chasing game, he can still happily playing his walking game vmad.gif

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt6weq_ch...-uefa-1-4_sport
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QUOTE(chitchat @ Sep 4 2012, 04:40 PM)
i think MIKEL pace is good enough for DM but i feel he is a bit lazy/slow to press and cover, if u guys still remember the past MAKELELE and ESSIEN, they are very hardworking, they are everywhere covering and pressing. If you rewatch the SuperCup game, the 1st goal, he did not press thus allow the thru ball to happen but i dont really blame him for this, but the problem is after the thru ball is made, he stop running. 2nd goal also same, after the ball get pass him he also stop running. Come on, he is a DM, he is not AM, SS, CF he should run back is case there is rebound to clear. Then even we are chasing game, he can still happily playing his walking game  vmad.gif

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xt6weq_ch...-uefa-1-4_sport
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than Romeu should be given more chance to play instead of constantly using him.
These should give some sense of his position is guarantees.
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QUOTE(gry @ Sep 4 2012, 04:21 PM)
I think it matter of time before OSCAR slotting into first eleven. I think Ramirez should play in deep role because he got very good energy, and suit to play there.
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as much as i hate to say this, i think lamps need to be rotate regularly starting from now either with ramires or oscar. he was best in AMF before and i dont think RDM will move him again in that position as he will decrease our attacking pace. apart from that, we also now have a decent penalty taker that goes by the name of hazard.




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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 4 2012, 04:51 PM)
than Romeu should be given more chance to play instead of constantly using him.
These should give some sense of his position is guarantees.
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sometimes i wonder how does the coach chooses his line up. is it from training performance or just pick whoever he likes?

QUOTE(Nabeyl @ Sep 4 2012, 04:52 PM)
as much as i hate to say this, i think lamps need to be rotate regularly starting from now either with ramires or oscar. he was best in AMF before and i dont think RDM will move him again in that position as he will decrease our attacking pace. apart from that, we also now have a decent penalty taker that goes by the name of hazard.
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i agree with u on this. lamps need to be rotated.
he cannot partner mikel anymore. they both will start the game of passing backwards and sideways
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QUOTE(Nabeyl @ Sep 4 2012, 04:52 PM)
as much as i hate to say this, i think lamps need to be rotate regularly starting from now either with ramires or oscar. he was best in AMF before and i dont think RDM will move him again in that position as he will decrease our attacking pace. apart from that, we also now have a decent penalty taker that goes by the name of hazard.
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I have differ idea. promote Lampard to be the coaching staff. laugh.gif

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Owen Hargreaves? seriously? the glass fragile man? pls NO!!
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makelele,gallas,essien, biggrin.gif
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The best build for chelsea now taking into account of future prospect and to win chanpionships

Betrand/iva luiz cahill ashley cole
Mikel/ ramires
Oscar/marin - moses/mata
Lamps/hazard
Ds torres

I think this accomodate pretty well. Im the best chelsea fan!

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 4 2012, 05:10 PM)
I have differ idea. promote Lampard to be the coaching staff. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Rhicebowl @ Sep 4 2012, 05:44 PM)
The best build for chelsea now taking into account of future prospect and to win chanpionships

Betrand/iva luiz cahill ashley cole
           Mikel/ ramires
      Oscar/marin - moses/mata
             Lamps/hazard
              Ds torres

I think this accomodate pretty well. Im the best chelsea fan!
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Got few problem with your lineup.
Betrand is LB, not RB
Ramires can't play as single DM
Lamps can't play tip of diamond anymore

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QUOTE(Zeuss1220 @ Sep 4 2012, 05:51 PM)
Got few problem with your lineup.
Betrand is LB, not RB
Ramires can't play as single DM
Lamps can't play tip of diamond anymore
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Oh ok. But why cant ramires olay as a single dm. I feel he suites playing as a dm. Okay then field both mikel and ramires. Since ashley and iva likes going forward anyways. Combination of hazard mata and lamps in the midfield with a single torres. Yes ok great.
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QUOTE(gry @ Sep 4 2012, 04:21 PM)
I think it matter of time before OSCAR slotting into first eleven. I think Ramirez should play in deep role because he got very good energy, and suit to play there.
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agree with u. ramires box to box midfielder.
abt mikel i dont know why so much hate for him.

he's a traditional DM..ball playing DM. collect the ball from CB -> distribute it to others.
& make 'silly' tackles when needed.
just he needs to improve.
this is not an all star real madrid team.
pls give the chance for him to improve..he's still young for real!

+ given the attacking option that we have, i dont fancy him to go forward too much. maybe he shud learn from Diaby (vs Liverpool) brows.gif
Diaby was like f*cking superb in that match.

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