las time my kenari year 2001 full servis and change parts oso rm1-2k le.....

do one time at penang coz broke down there...change all.....then back kl and suddenly the aircond hose kaboom(too high pressure i think)

then sent to fren ac shop do again....rm4xx...come out kaboom again, sent it and refix but its foc.....until now 3 years so far no problem

i kena potong at penang lo like that.....

This post has been edited by huakenny: Jun 14 2012, 10:12 AM

For ur issue, I hv to say tat 1.2k for a new condenser, compressor, workmanship n gas is too much. D most I'll accept is RM800-850, coz condensor is about 300 while recon compressor is +-350.

From wat I noticed, most so-called specialist would suggest straight away for parts replacement even before taking out d compressor, condensor n evaporator for individual leak test or a system flush. In ur case
- he claimed tat d gas amount is ok contradicts wit d result of leakage n parts replacement
- no mention bout eveporator cleaning coz its often d 1st thing to cause lower aircon performance esp when it does not hv a filter element b4 summarising tat theres a faulty part

As for ur blower issue, it sounds like the pipes r not reinstalled properly.

If I were u, I'll go to a aircon-only shop, n ask them to do a compression test on d ol compressor n condensor coz its very rare to hv both of them fail at d same time. They usually would plug d outlet, pump in compressed air n submerge in water. If there's bubbles then its really leaking. Then
- feedback to d ori shop for d working part, insist on reinstalling it back n ask for a refund
- without any further parts replacement, ask him to troubleshoot again n tis time b there while he's at it
- try to nego for partial refund since he initially did claim tat replacing both of those part will solve ur issue
- n if ur noe a bit bout cars, try to see if he checks d thermostat in d cabin (it decides n triggers when d compressor should run), n if u hear a "click" sound when d compressor kicks in.

or maybe kenari problem lo
spent so much and hose keep kaboom

then again i supposed KL would have cheaper price? more mechanics/parts/shops, perhaps harder to chop people?

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This post has been edited by Fabrication: Jul 4 2012, 06:18 PM

an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.

please advise.

Either a pipe isn't connected tight or a leak in the compressor. If you're very certain it's the compressor then better have it exchanged. If not & don't trust the ol' place, have it diagnosed somewhere else. I went to this place and was happy with their work: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2152035.

If u've confirmed that its d leak is from d compressor, its very likely to b d lubricant tats suppose to be sealed in. N yes, ur compressor is gonna die prematurely once d lube is insufficient.

Go to another shop.

yes. i wanted to. but that shop refuse to refund me.
spent RM1k+, yet give me many shit trouble like this.

Thanks for inviting me here to share your problem.

Can feel the seriousness of your problem after reading those previous posts.

Focus on your updated main issue "oil leaking compressor"
Suggest to a.s.a.p (don't wait after 1 month or 1 year) identify where the leakage source is.
See if the parts are nicely connected or the leakage comes directly from the compressor. This condition is unlikely happened if installation or the part condition is good and normal.

Getting opinions & solutions from here is good. Yet, it's more accurate to further check on your current system by using equipment under different condition, as car air-cond system is quite complicated.
Since you found uncomfortable on the ways they work, try to get another reference from other workshop.

Hope this helps.

Very appreciate for your compliment here!

kajang?me oso from kajang

what is the name of the shop..

need to careful of the shop after this..

ur condenser most probably leak, i see some oil there
how to confirm ? kinda ask mechanic dip the condenser into clear water and pump in the gas and check for the air bubbles.
if no air bubbles, u get ripped off

how to check on air-con no pressure ?
the meh shouldn't dismantle the compressor before check the pressure, already buka , then hard to test already.
2nd method is check the inner holes of comp, if it's black , get replacement, if it's clear, shouldn't be change unless there's is no pressure.

make sure ur coling coil is washed and dryer ( filter ) get changed.
btw, 900-1000 is quite reasonable. if everthing spoil

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Added on July 6, 2012, 4:19 pmmost probably he didn't give u the recond air-con, usually the recond air-con is fixed and tested by supplier,
i wonder already 3rd still gave leaking ? most probably is not a refurbish comp. i really confuse on the condition of recon comp . share the pic if u dun mind. leaking oil means leak gas as well . becuase our air-con system shouldn't be an leak at any point. or else . ur air-con system will eventually stalled again. waranty at least 3 months for recon comp bro. this was really so called black shop .

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Added on July 6, 2012, 4:28 pmif the air con is not cold with sufficient gas, probably is the cooling coil dirt or else clogged.

if found out that insufficient gases, should be leaking on any of the air-con part,
first, check physical by eye to see the condenser and comp have any leakage, if no, then we have to suspect on cooling coil.

ur mechanic should tell all the problem may face and not to just say ur air-con is need to serviced .
pls bear in mind , insufficient gases means leakage.. i really hate this kind of mech dismantling all ur air-con part without ur consent, that's really sucks. for me, he is not proffessional at all.

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Added on July 6, 2012, 4:31 pmgenerally, servis the kenari air-con cost around 120-150 include gases and labour.

but why your's hike up 250 for servis and another 60 fo gas ?
i servis my car air-con ex-boss shop

i am ex air-con man ..hehe

This post has been edited by joshuaa85: Jul 6 2012, 04:31 PM

Good way of analyzing the situation!

Look forward WoodStock would have settled his current issue after gathering so much info here

i wish i could settle this too..
i will have to drive to Kajang from Subang tomorrow to just settle this - waste all the time, toll, petrol..

hopefully, i could get refund.
but even he refund me also, i think he will refund me the compressor only.. he could argue there is no problem with the condenser..

to me, i prefer to refund all. really lose confident dealing with this shop, so many trouble. spent RM1k+, still give me all the headache! just imaging the 2 cases below.

a) the condenser has problem in future, it has 1 year warranty because it is new, then i still have to travel to kajang, and deal with this shop again.

b) put back my old compressor, then go to the other air con shop. then they might pointing finger to each other on the air con problem. the new air-con shop might blame the condenser not good/efficient causing the car not cool and etc...

hope could settle this problem tomorrow la..
wish me good luck~! will update you all after fixed.
Thank you all the sifu and expert here!

Good luck!

Idiot shop....u better expose their name so that others will not fall in.
Maybe they gave u a crap compressor again. Pls be aware that compressor is the most expensive item in air con. Get them to replace it at no cost on u.
There's warranty even it's a recond unit.

if have problem again , better stay at mech shop and see how they do . this is what i always do.

I used to own a kelisa and I believe the entire engine bay is exactly the same like yours.

Well, I have the problem like this with some mech who doesn't know the issue too (I'm not saying they're bad, maybe they just did not encounter this type of problem before, they did explained everything in a polite and professional way).

At first they said its dirty, gotta clean the whole set. They showed me the oil indicator which shows the color of the oil, and surprisingly.. it's black. If anyone here can correct me, if it's totally black, thick, dark, heavy black, it's very serious problem already(usually dirty is just grey). It costs nearly RM400 to take out part by part to clean. And now it shows like white or transparent.

Issue solved for a few days, then back again. Daytime hot, night time cold. Went back to the workshop again, that indicator is grey. They said it's totally not normal, no matter how heavy u use your car, to turn this grey it wud take at least 3 months. So they suspect smth wrong with the belt, but since it's an aircond shop, I didn't let them touch it. I went back to my fren and have the whole set of belt for the car to be changed.

Issue solved for about 3 weeks, then back again. That indicator is full black again, my fren gave me an advise. He said, air cond have a lot of parts and its difficult to troubleshoot by cleaning each part at one time. The problem may deteriorate and causing some other parts before you have it fixed. He suggest for a full set change at Perodua.

I'm out of idea and drove it back to Perodua.
Had a full set change with NEW parts, costs like RM1.3k, case closed.

Batusaix, what's in the whole set? If whole aircon system change, compressor, condenser, evaporator, blower fan motor, filter dryer....that's cheap.

roughly RM1.1k to RM1.3k for complete set of brand new parts. Including the pipes.

Few months back changed new condenser+recond compressor (Seiko Denki)+ receiver drier+gas+labour for RM700+..

Same car with TS..

Very cold and no issues so far..