Dear all expert and sifu,

i am driving Perodua Kenari.
during day time, the weather is extremely hot, and when i got into car, i sweat like crazy even i on the air con.. the air con is not cool..
during night time, the car air con still ok, can feel the cool..

so, i goto this workshop, recommended by my friend.
the mechanic told me need to service the air con(RM250), and add gas (RM60)

ok, i gave them the key, and expect to pickup the car in 2 hours.
but then, i received their call after 1 hour, saying my condenser leak oil(RM400), compressor spoilt(RM450 for recon compressor).. need replacement..

what to do... it is >RM1k!!!! but still have to fix it.. the mechanic guarantee me it will be very cool after the replacement..

the mechanic promise can complete by 5pm.. but i wait until 6pm, still no news.. i call back, they said they still working on it.. at 7pm, i cannot wait already, i directly go back to workshop, and i saw them like troubleshooting the aircon.. but the mechanic said putting too much gas, cannot work, they release some gas out, and assembly back my car..

i got my car back at 8pm.. i found, quarter of the car fuel gone.. wondering how long did they troubleshooting.. but, it is night, the car is cool.. ok
but the next day, i went out at 1pm, the car air con is cool, but really not so cool only..
i spent 1k+, but still the air con is just slightly cool only.. really feel frustrated!!

call back the mechanic, he asked me to send the car to him for checking again..

well, i change almost everything for the car air con, how come it is still like this..?? the condenser really need to change simply because it is dirty and have many small rock meh?? if no leaking, cannot just wash??
get cheated? mechanic no experience??

the picture for my old compressor and condenser attached.



ADD-ON:
i never urge them to fast. they promise me 5pm, i wait until 6pm, then only call back to check if they forgot to call me... 7pm only i go back, because i feel it must be really wrong with the troubleshooting if cannot solve in 2 hours.

when i arrive, they quickly finish the thing and give me back the car.. this really make me feel like they are hiding something. the quarter of car fuel gone, meaning they have been running the engine for long long time. worse is, the car air con still not cool at the afternoon, so the problem is not fixed!

spending RM1.2k, wasted whole day, but not solve the problem, but the mechanic didnt tell me what is the problem they troubleshooting, really dishonest and disappointing lo..

what i am worry is, the air con is just small problem on pipe, but the experience lacking mechanic change whole set from condenser to compressor, but not fixing the problem pipe.. then i am spending RM1.2k for nothing!@!@, assuming: experience mechanic might can fix the pipe in 5min for RM50...

BLOWER:
before service, the blower is good even at level 1..
now i hardly feel the wind at level 1.. set to level 2, then only i can get same level 1 last time.. but at level 2, i can hear the fan run very fast and noisy which previous only happen at level 3 and 4...........

THE PROBLEM CONTINUE............

an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.

please advise.

This post has been edited by WoodStock: Jul 4 2012, 06:20 PM

i think you kena cheated already, fyi service aircond plus add gas for Myvi only RM170 and after service my car aircond can feel cold already.

if part replacement, it wont be rm170

however rm1k seems to be con job.
worse of all, after all that time and money, no result.

is the temperature level set to maximum cool already? or half middle?

Bro,

Repairing a car need time especially when troubleshooting

U keep urge them to hand u the car,how well u expect the car can be done in perfect?

gv them time to check/troubleshoot..... Dun direct say ppl cheat u just because u spend rm1k++....

If u said they didn't replace the said parts,this call cheat....

But rm400 for condenser is expensive....is this genuine? Normal one is rm2xx normally.

Record compressor normally rm3xx, if rm450 wit install then it's acceptable

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Added on June 12, 2012, 11:02 pmIf rm1k to replace recond compressor,condenser n service entire aircond system n refill ac gas is expensive and considered con job....how much is reasonable and is not con job may I ask u?

This post has been edited by huakenny: Jun 12 2012, 11:12 PM

It's a con job. I think the air on man is not experienced enough.
Good AC man should diagnose first. Check for leak before telling, ' u need to replace evaporator ,'only after dismantling it out. Normally AC man don't simply replace it if it's not leaking. Did he check the gas pressure during diagnosis?

Putting wrong gas pressure proves that this guy is no good. Normally, AC man have a handbook of wat pressure for every car possible. Has this man got handbook?

This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Jun 12 2012, 11:56 PM

i never urge them to fast. they promise me 5pm, i wait until 6pm, then only call back to check if they forgot to call me... 7pm only i go back, because i feel it must be really wrong with the troubleshooting if cannot solve in 2 hours.

when i arrive, they quickly finish the thing and give me back the car.. this really make me feel like they are hiding something. the quarter of car fuel gone, meaning they have been running the engine for long long time. worse is, the car air con still not cool at the afternoon, so the problem is not fixed!

spending RM1.2k, wasted whole day, but not solve the problem, but the mechanic didnt tell me what is the problem they troubleshooting, really dishonest and disappointing lo..

what i am worry is, the air con is just small problem on pipe, but the experience lacking mechanic change whole set from condenser to compressor, but not fixing the problem pipe.. then i am spending RM1.2k for nothing!@!@, assuming: experience mechanic might can fix the pipe in 5min for RM50...

This post has been edited by WoodStock: Jun 12 2012, 11:30 PM

hope experience sifu here could point out the real issue, or how to solve it..
very much appreciated..

it might not be the time to blame the mechanic for the any fault, but i really need to fix the problem, or spending another 5 days at his mechanic also useless!!

initially, i thought it was air con not cool is because the air con running out of gas, so i just ask him to add gas..
but he check and tell me, the gas is ok, the not cool is because the air con need to service.. (RM250!)
so, here we can confirm it is not gas leaking!!


then from there, the story start as on first post above..

U sent to aircond shop or aksesori shop?

Seems like the shop u sending is not familiar wit aircond wo......If compressor n condenser no problems..better ask them use bc ur ori one....

So now problem solved yet?

This post has been edited by huakenny: Jun 12 2012, 11:49 PM

ok first of all im not sure 100% on this...what the thing that they service until RM250?? i only service aircond RM80 (cooling coil clean up + gas refill back + labour)..that's it...but i think the price is too much..recond compressor im not sure how much for kenari but my sis(iswara) change only around RM3XX but of course not include labour and all services..

since u say..
during day time, the weather is extremely hot, and when i got into car, i sweat like crazy even i on the air con.. the air con is not cool..
during night time, the car air con still ok, can feel the cool..

i guess maybe the aircond temp sensor?

How old is your car?
When AC was last serviced?
How's the wind speed from blower?

There's absolutely no reason to change the evaporator since there's no leak. Should be cleaned n use back.

And, the rm 250 for service asked initially is pretty high too. Service n gas will cost rm 330 is too much. Normal service only 1xx Max. Gas 60 is OK.

What I think is, probably the recond compressor is not performing. Or temperature
sensor faulty, o wrongly placed.
Shop u visit is not pro in AC, seriously.

This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Jun 12 2012, 11:59 PM

it is workshop.. got new tyre and etc...
my friend normally service car here..

This post has been edited by WoodStock: Jun 13 2012, 01:21 AM

good point on blower..

before service, the blower is good even at level 1..
now i hardly feel the wind at level 1.. set to level 2, then only i can get same level 1 last time.. but at level 2, i can hear the fan run very fast and noisy which previous only happen at level 3 and 4...........

Where d shop bro?

the terrible is, i stay at subang, the workshop at kajang..
i goto this workshop when i visit my friend at kajang, my friend recommend this workshop so i just go..
initially i thought just add gas, take <30min to add gas only..

will have to travel to kajang, just to fix this problem.. but could the workshop really able to fix??

This post has been edited by WoodStock: Jun 13 2012, 11:01 AM

what air cond shop in kajang?..i went to an aircond shop in kajang, change the compressor, luckily i bring back the one that he removed, and bring it to inspect at another aircond shop, it is 100% okay..then i ask the shop to install back and i returned back the recond one that was bought to the 1st shop and ask for refund..

BTW, i wont leave my used car parts at workshops because i know they might sell it back..

This post has been edited by megat89: Jun 13 2012, 01:44 PM

This is bad. After service aka cleaning the evaporator (cooling coil), u should get more air flow. Installation not done properly?
Unless AC filter added, otherwise this cannot happen.

Suggest u get them settle the problem, cuz u have paid so much for it.
Go early n watch them settle, with the condition, not paying anything more.

Next time, do AC must go AC man, not those 'i do it all shop'.

Last time I change my Kancil's compressor to a 2nd hand compressor.
It is cool until now after 2 years.

My experience, it depends on which shop you are going to service your aircond.
If you lucky, the person who service your aircond has good skill/experience.

well i got my proton iswara's condenser/compressor replaced/air cond serviced/refill ac gas etc for around rm600

and i did mentioned "seems", if that is not the case, feel free to correct me on the accurate pricing for a kenari then