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idoblu
post Jun 27 2013, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 27 2013, 01:05 PM)
New backlit sensor will be interesting though. For other features... ok la... no biggie over the RX100
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nah take a look at real world samples - http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsa...r-shot-rx100-ii
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post Jun 27 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jun 27 2013, 01:51 PM)
nah take a look at real world samples - http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsa...r-shot-rx100-ii
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:25 PM

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RX100MII

Woot, Sony released a step up model =D

$749, would it be more expensive over here in Malaysia?

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post Jun 27 2013, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(lowyatter @ Jun 27 2013, 01:24 PM)
Wow, beautiful night shot. May I ask what settings you used?
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post Jun 28 2013, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(bex9432 @ Jun 25 2013, 12:45 AM)
I bought RM2264 ...  sweat.gif

with

Sony Case
Screen Protector
16GB Sandisk

If no Screen Protector and 8GB Sandisk .. RM2199

and on 1st Jan 2013 ....  whistling.gif

its price still not go down?....    notworthy.gif
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wow. that is so expansive. bought around d same date with u, but no SP only at rm2150 - PJ - one of the forumer shop.

wah, tilt screen on the new rx. who know how to modify rx100 screen to become tilt?? hmm.gif
WTT Sony rx100 + rm 300 whistling.gif

whoa. hotshoe. this i wub.gif

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Was discussing this with a geeky collegue....

Looks like the MKII really gains makes nice gains in high ISO performance... on paper at least... it looks like ISO3200 on the MKII will be as useful as ISO800 on the MK1 rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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But with most backlit sensor... there's a price to pay also. Almost 2 stop lost in low ISO dynamic range. doh.gif

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post Jun 28 2013, 04:35 PM

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^ i dun un. mind explain in human languange on MKII vs MK I (what this btw)? haha.
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post Jun 28 2013, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jun 28 2013, 04:35 PM)
^ i dun un. mind explain in human languange on MKII vs MK I (what this btw)? haha.
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it's Mark 1 and Mark 2, same meaning as ver.1 and ver.2, or 1st gen and 2nd gen...
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QUOTE(little ice @ Jun 28 2013, 04:48 PM)
it's Mark 1 and Mark 2, same meaning as ver.1 and ver.2, or 1st gen and 2nd gen...
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Jun 28 2013, 04:35 PM)
^ i dun un. mind explain in human languange on MKII vs MK I (what this btw)? haha.
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So difficult ker?

OK...in human language means RX100MKII gooding if you play snap snap a lot at low light but if wanna seriously take nice photo, RX100 works better tongue.gif

You see the blue line at ISO1600 is even higher than RX100 purple line at ISO800. Means RX100MKII is at least one stop better than MK1.

And that blue line between ISO1600 and ISO3200 is relatively flat. At ISO3200, its about the same level at MK1 at ISO800 (in this case 2 stops better)

I explained dynamic range here:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=61372048

At base ISO (the lowest), RX100MKII's backlit sensor not gooding liao.. as its almost 2 stops below MK1.

So why this is important you ask? It's important because when you shoot landscape/cityscape whatever and on tripod or stabilized, you would wanna use the lowest ISO for the cleanest crispiest photo.

But at this setting, dynamic range is low...

This is not a scientific example but pictar 1 is shot with RX100 with 12EV+ DR at close to base ISO.

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DSC00111 by vmwt, on Flickr

And this is shot with my handphone which is nowhere close 12EV. The dark part of the image got no detail and the brightest part of the image also blown out.. no details = suxballs

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Jun 28 2013, 12:08 PM)
Was discussing this with a geeky collegue....

Looks like the MKII really gains makes nice gains in high ISO performance... on paper at least... it looks like ISO3200 on the MKII will be as useful as ISO800 on the MK1  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif 

But with most backlit sensor... there's a price to pay also. Almost 2 stop lost in low ISO dynamic range. 
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i think most people will be very happy with the compromise when you weight in the availability of hotshoe and articulated display. biggrin.gif

OTOH their RX1R seems to be a compromise as well, earlier tests revealed that the resolution didn't increase much, but moire is expected tone more pronounced than original RX1.

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QUOTE(little ice @ Jun 28 2013, 05:02 PM)
i think most people will be very happy with the compromise when you weight in the availability of hotshoe and articulated display. biggrin.gif

OTOH their RX1R seems to be a compromise as well, earlier tests revealed that the resolution didn't increase much, but moire is expected tone more pronounced than original RX1.
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Articulated display is handy but I dunno about hotshoe... EVF could be useful (didn't like em myself) but as for flash.. wanna carry around speedlites larger than the camera itself ker?


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sniper on the roof roger that n loud & clear now. notworthy.gif n no butthurt for Rx100MKII in the market whistling.gif
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Wanna share my pictures here when I was in Paris ... some shot had cropped into cinemascope format

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QUOTE(wingster @ Jun 28 2013, 11:41 PM)
Wanna share my pictures here when I was in Paris ...  some shot had cropped into cinemascope format
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Ah.. I miss Paris so much.


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No touch screen on the new RX100 MKII?

Was hopefully a touch screen features with it instead of any other features from the predecessor.


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post Jun 29 2013, 01:22 AM

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Seems like a lot ppl going to Europe recently biggrin.gif

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post Jun 29 2013, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(wingster @ Jun 28 2013, 11:41 PM)
Wanna share my pictures here when I was in Paris ...  some shot had cropped into cinemascope format

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Nice. Wish I had a good camera when I was there. That time only had a 2.1mega pixel Minolta DiMage X . That time digital camera not mature yet sad.gif




QUOTE(harrychoo @ Jun 29 2013, 01:22 AM)
Seems like a lot ppl going to Europe recently  biggrin.gif

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Wow nice nice.... drool.gif

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The amount of dynamic range loss in the iso 100 to 200 is it worth the little gain in SNR?

And now without the the AA, they is a chance u get the moire with purple color like what happen to pentax k5-iis
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jun 29 2013, 05:21 PM)
The amount of dynamic range loss in the iso 100 to 200 is it worth the little gain in SNR?

And now without the the AA, they is a chance u get the moire with purple color like what happen to pentax k5-iis
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em i think you're referring to RX1-R not RX100 II, sorry for my post for confusing people... sweat.gif

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