How do you hook to LTE Network?

I tried on my modem always got "Registration Failed"

I'm working in the telco industry and was physically just right beside the transmission site moments ago.... :-)

And when they finally do roll out LTE... the speed will be "with a Likely Average Speed of (gasp, drumroll) 1Mbps..."

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Added on January 3, 2013, 7:46 pmI wonder when this will be available in Penang...

This post has been edited by xelamil: Jan 3 2013, 07:46 PM

Hahahaha, not that bad lar....maybe around 10-30Mbps?
If the speed for LTE is only 1Mbps, I suggest you sue the telco provider and make big hu ha about it.

Guess I should sue them



Complained and waited for more than 6 months all giving excuses

Planning to wait for the last time until Maxis last promise is to solve it by the end of January

Note, this is DC-HSPA+

This post has been edited by blacktubi: Jan 3 2013, 08:27 PM

report skmm first, if not solved then tribunal pengguna, f still not solve then only get a good lawyer and sue them

SKMM = Check
Cfm = Check

Case closed with remarks Maxis will resolve the issue with our clients.

Maxis someone like an engineer told me the amount of upgrade is limited

Only solution is to build a new tower to distribute the load, I am so frustrated and decided stop arguing.

Just wondering if pushing more bandwidth and backhaul to a tower should help right

I guess Maxis is not committed to handling this complaint at all

do you know the schedule for LTE? if yes..there pm button under my name

and does we need to terminate and subscribe another package too use LTE? hope u can answer this as many people also want to ask this question

hmm I guess I should join u suing them

at HSPA area


btw that LTE speed is good huh..wonder when will it reach my area

This post has been edited by raizo7: Jan 3 2013, 09:54 PM

wow.. you have actually done that.. you must be really frustrated then..

there are basically 2 types of congestions:
1. the backhaul is sufficient but there are too many users. example tower is dc hspa+ (42Mbps) and backhaul is also 42Mbps. but bandwidth is shared by too many users, hence congested
2. backhaul is shared for several sites and not enough to sufficiently provide bandwidth to a site. example although the tower can give you 42Mbps, but backhaul is only 10Mbps

pushing more bandwidth will only solve number 2.. and technically its really challenging to add tower to a place that already has coverage because this will create huge interference..

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Added on January 3, 2013, 10:19 pmmaxis: according to their lte video, main cities and will be expanded in stages
celcom: the schedule available on their web
digi: as claimed in one of their press releases, 50% coverage.. and thats a lot.. if u live in city/town i'm sure your area will be within 50%

your 2nd question: working in telco industry doesnt mean we know everything. i myself working in telco industry on technical side and deal with lte almost everyday, but dont really know how is it going to be sold (marketing stuff) however i know the technical stuff of lte pretty well and happy to share it here

This post has been edited by alf233: Jan 3 2013, 10:19 PM

Looks like my problem is so severe

This is what they told me, I don't actually understand.
They even know their site is congested.
Hope you can help if you understand these

I can hope it's not so bad...

But then, a certain WiMax provider also started claiming 4G... with up to 1Mbps download speed...

At the minimum, those claiming 4G, should have decency to provide minimum better than average of HSPA+

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Added on January 3, 2013, 10:39 pmAiks... Penang tak de...

This post has been edited by xelamil: Jan 3 2013, 10:39 PM

WiMAX is 4G, as defined by ITU (international telecommunications union). Literally 4G can be using either WiMAX or LTE technology

Answer:
Did you intentionally left out the total number of subcarriers in regards of spectrum width, mind you without that you can't calculate the maximum throughput? You forgot the fact that the total number of subcarriers are different in 2X10MHz versus 1X20MHz setups? When you do the calculation of radio resources to bits conversion, of course they are similar but it has of no interests to network operators. The spectral efficiency which you argued on has nothing more than the technical meaning of bits conversion related to RF than efficient use spectrum for service deployments.

The spectrum argument has been dead since voice became purely packet switched. Pure data players such as YES, P1, Clearwire, Vivid Wireless and others who provide mobile broadband players hardly see any advantages from using FDD.It is also natural for WIMAx operators to take this route for their next upgrade since WIMAx is also based on TDD. There is no urgent need for them prioritized QoS for voice services. HD Voice is packet based which can be handled with upper layers. If they need, there is the 3G networks to fall back on for pay per minute calls.

Of course you can't use the same strategy as FDD with TDD. But I see you lack the experience and knowledge in deploying your products in real commercial situations. TDD excels in urbanized setups and indoor coverages where you have isolated hotspots that hardly overlaps with other microcells footprints.Take Softbank's Wireless City Planning Project for Metropolitan Tokyo. The number of microcells they'll deploy is about 150 units per sq km all of them with just about the size of a shoebox.Dark fibre is plentiful in metropolitan Tokyo for backhaul. Each "shoebox" will be pumped with 10GE access to a centralised local exchange office which synchronizes time for all of them.So what's your problem with inteferences? Moreover (if you don't know) the sales of LTE microcells is expected to dominate and surpass macro base stations by 2014. It'll expect to make up 90% of all base stations by 2016. DC-HSPA+ will continue to serve greater areas outside the cities, while wifi hotspots will offload data in public areas.

I've not told you this until now but FYI, I've been a registered member with ETSI since the REL99 days, company forced me to do it upon joining. I'll wouldn't suggest engineers to concentrate reading up those specs without proper exposure and touching knowledge materials supplied by their companies research depts. Without proper guidance and hands-on from seniors or trainers, the contents are gibberish even to most engineers out there. They make good references for facts finding but not cookbooks.

Answer:
You hid the fact that 75mbps can only be achieved by TDD-LTE if there's only a single user occupying the whole subcarrier for himself. In a multi user environment that contends, TDD mode's wider lanes will be at advantage. The challenge for throughput is to send as much data over the link with the fixed amount of time. It's true that in a single user environment where one gets to download continuously over a subcarrier for a longer period of time FDD achieves greater transfer speeds but if assuming you have a competition where who gets to paint a larger overall portion of the road, TDD can have just as much covered with higher capacity making up for it.Try benchmarking TDD with more users contending with downloads at the same time, real world condition speeds will drop considerably. One proof I will show you is from a presentation given by a Korean working with NSN, unless he's trying to pull off a lie with the crowd, the results are contrasting compared to the theoretical maximum thoughput which you took from your 3GPP specs boldly. Not that it did indicate any caveat emptor when quoting them. Did they specifically mentioned the conditions when they conducted the tests? Do you now know why I only refer to specs for referencing?They don't tell best practices.



In fact if they have extra spectrum to spare, just like in the case of Clearwire acquisition, Softbank intends to use full 40MHz and give speeds of upto 4-5 times that of what those FDD networks Verizon and ATT are doing.On top of that they can even provide unlimited quotas with the added capacity which none of the 2 FDD players can ever dare commit.

I guess you're getting good signal but couldnt get good speed?

A friend in Maxis told me that Maxis will usually upgrade their network in stages everytime there is a congestion until they cannot upgrade anymore. If that's what Maxis engineer told you, your area must be really congested that they cannot upgrade anymore.

Building new tower is the easiest solution as it will relieve the congestion by segregating the users but this is technically very challenging.. I'm sure they would have done that if possible

Hope LTE will come to your area soon and will relieve the congestions there.

If that still doesnt solve your problem, then I'd highly recommend you to get fixed broadband (Unifi or Maxis fiber or time.com) which at least guarantees the speed

Most WIMAX chipset manufacturers are moving into the TD-LTE camp since both technologies are similarly related.

Inefficient and corrupted governments love playing spectrum auctioning games.They are auctioning little blocks of them everywhere telling people they are scarce and pricing them at exceptional high costs.

As an end result, the move is actually to deter competition from smaller players from entering the next generation game. In the case of USA, the ones who can only afford most of the blocks auctioned are the 2 monopoly giants which are Verizon and AT&T. Don't you see they are continuing their monopoly practices because only the big guns are the only ones who can afford the purchases?

Similarly in Malaysia, the joint team ups are only benefiting the big players such as TM and Maxis. Eventually the smaller players such as P1 will have to end up being absorbed and merged itself into the giants or be eliminated. They are singulating out companies which they only have interests in and make them payback for the continuation of their monopoly tactics.Cronies get themselves with money acquired from licensing and at the same time maintain their monopoly.

Some way or another you will be able to find that people who sits in the FCC or communication commisions have their interests in the giant monopolistic telcos.

Let me guess.. You are an old WiMAX engineer working with NSN? whose mind really closed on TDD because of the extensive experience you had with WiMAX..

Hang on, isn't this an LTE thread, why there is a WiMAX stuff here? I guess maybe you should start a new thred on WiMAX vs LTE then i won't bother to argue with your closed mind..

To be honest i didn't even bother reading everything that you wrote, your mind is really sealed with one technology. No point for further discussion/argument. Like I told you before, I'm open to any technology and nuetral whether its FDD or TD LTE...

Lets just wait and see which one (FDD LTE or TD LTE) will be the choice of Malaysia users. Well at least we know already FDD LTE is more commonly deployed worldwide..

No WiMAX please or open new thread

I forgot one thing, you were saying FDD vs TD are because of political issues west vs east... Looks like your exposure on LTE is not really enough.. Dont you know that all LTE vendors.. I repeat all, from west (NSN, ALU, Ericsson) and from east (Huawei, ZTE, Samsung, NEC) have both FDD LTE and TD LTE solutions? Ok you didnt know this, well at least you should thank me for telling you this good piece of information

This post has been edited by alf233: Jan 3 2013, 11:15 PM

Here some good news. Just yesterday SKMM had just announced that they'll be refarming the 800MHz trunk radio bands.

A total of some 30MHz blocks will be released.

On sidenote, there's an emerging 700MHz block(Band 44) that the Asia Pacific Telecommunity is planning for future TD-LTE use. Although Malaysia is leaving this out for their digital terrestrial Tv services, neighbouring countries such as Australia, Japan, Korea, Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, Mexico, Taiwan, India, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam have shown support and interest leaving Malaysia out.

Link source:
www.apt.int/sites/default/files/Upload-files/SATRC/SAPIV-WGS01-INP-08_700_MHz_Band_Plan.pdf

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Added on January 3, 2013, 11:18 pmHere some good news. Just yesterday SKMM had just announced that they'll be refarming the 800MHz trunk radio bands.

A total of some 30MHz blocks will be released.

On sidenote, there's an emerging 700MHz block(Band 44) that the Asia Pacific Telecommunity is planning for future TD-LTE use. Although Malaysia is leaving this out for their digital terrestrial Tv services, neighbouring countries such as Australia, Japan, Korea, Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, Mexico, Taiwan, India, Indonesia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam have shown support and interest leaving Malaysia out.

Link source:
www.apt.int/sites/default/files/Upload-files/SATRC/SAPIV-WGS01-INP-08_700_MHz_Band_Plan.pdf

This post has been edited by Ahn3hn3h: Jan 3 2013, 11:18 PM

We have SPRM / MACC / PDRM special branch / FBI in the house!!!!

You do too much of guessing la bro and you're always welcome to join us since we've a much brighter and prospectful future path.
No doubt it's still new but you know, WIMAX2 might absorb many of the good elements of its TD-LTE cousin and evolve into something far better.

Mobile networks are fast evolving into pure data packet switching.

Back when TD-LTE was still in its infant stage, labs that wanted to compare FDD-LTE equipments used WIMAX for spectrum efficiency benchmarks. It was the next closest cousin to TD-LTE.