But it will take months before telco enable LTE-sim to prepaid customers.

Maxis launch CSFB at 8 Feb 2013...
https://new.maxis.com.my/content/maxis/en/a...0130208-en.html

I don't understand the speed.

Say for example HSDPA+ is 42mbps, why at most, even when im right next to the tower, i never reach this speed?

should be operator limitation...
operator can set the limit for gold silver and other subscribers...
the gold silver standard is defined by operator itself...
i only have celcom one...
there is a table...
it limits the LITE advance bla bla bla package with different speed which same as those posted in their website...
it is called E2E QOS... should be End to end quality of service? not sure

digi should be doing the same thing.. my speed capped at 3-5mbps when H+ and H...
which supposely 21mbps and 14.4mbps/7.2mbps

not sure maxis and umobile as i saw many ppl can get 42mbps.....

This post has been edited by prosibu: Aug 15 2013, 12:17 AM

hat is theory speed,.. in theory DC-HSPA+ Max,.

unless u are connected to that tower by yourself Alone,. otherwise under normal circumstances, the bandwidth /capacity of that tower take over, load balance will kick in to make sure all connected user will have even speed,.

You should read 3G WiKi, we got a really nice info on this

Malaysian fixed broadband sector has no competition except for very limited areas where Time and Jaring operates. The other mobile telcos were never serious in offering fixed broadband for desktop use because they are too caught up and confused in the traditional voice and texts lucrative markets.

Many of them only want the public to think that mobile internet is only confined to smartphones, iPads and tablets since they consume very little volume while they can continue milking the users like cows.

Fact is once you start using the modem on a desktop PC, the consumption of data becomes leapfolds from that of your mobile devices. There is high tendency that you would want to start streaming HD videos on your wide screen monitors and downloading big files/updates into your terabyte capacity HDD, don't you think so?

The mobile telcos don't understand this and none of them I can say is serious or even try to penetrate this sector. All I can say is that TM monopolizes this fixed broadband sector close to 100% except for very limited areas served by Time and Jaring. They really enjoy the comfortable position of not even having a single competitor that could offer an alternative.

They can safely bet with you that if you don't accept their monopolized unlimited DSL or Unifi packages, you can prepare yourself to pay through your nose with volume quota based wireless internet plans.

If we continue on getting those stingy quotas, how are we going to do cloud storage, IPTV, Netflix-like subscription and heavy videogame consoles/net apps updates?

I can assure you that the even the DC-HSPA+ providers in the middle east such as in Qatar and Arabia performs more consistently than Malaysia telcos. Even Thailand's where the market is HUGEly flooded by tourists and a much denser populated areas.

Why can they achieve that?

The answer is that they have better traffic off-loading solutions such as very good coverage of fibre optic node fixed lines, less stringent phone pole regulations to run cables(although it can be very messy), and widespread WiFi hotspots to spread the usage out.

Bolehland however has to deal with cartel linked spectrum awards, costs cuts in building less base stations but want to maximise coverage as much as possible and bandwidth leaks by offering so many "hidden" unofficial packages out there that escapes quota.

Don't you think that the Altel deal sounds like a waste? It was awarded one of the biggest slice of the spectrum but it ended up becoming a shared MVNO of Celcom and now that their price is unveiled, it is so similar priced with other players.

If like that what's the use of having different brands when all of the telcos are just clone of one another?

Plain waste of resources and effort. Might was well merge all of them, save the costs of overlap staffs,use the money towards improving overall service and come out clean/straight to the public that we have a 1 Monopoly telco.

Sorry my mistake. The april was iPhone5, CSFB was earlier.. overlooked that..
THanks for correcting it

yes.. that's theoretical speed.. Even if you're alone and standing right infront of the 30W/40W antenna (very unhealthy), you will get around 30Mbps at most..

It's because of several factors, the codes utilisation, SNR, CQI, path loss, coding rate, etc...

This is the problem with wireless, it's actually the same with LTE which has theoretical peak speed of 75Mbps (current LTE network) but the most users can get is ~50Mbps.

High speed is pointless without increase in quota...with quota like a a few GB for smartphone and less than 100GB for broadband...there is really no point....if can get even a few Mbps on smartphone, it's enough for all your surfing and video streaming tasks. It's not like you're gonna download 15GB full HD 1080p rip onto your phone....

This post has been edited by Matrix: Aug 15 2013, 09:34 AM

Mobile broadband (3G/LTE dongle) was never meant to replace or compete with fixed broadband (fiber/xDSL/copper) in the first place. They were never designed to be as fast/stable/reliable as fixed broadband.

If users are looking for fast/stable/reliable connection, then they should go for fixed broadband, not mobile broadband... I understand it may not be economical to some people to have fixed broadband, USB dongle & mobile broadband at the same time.. If you dont have the budget to have it all, the live with what you can, dont expect mobile broadband to perform like fixed broadband and keep complaining all the time.. (OK this will offend many people, sorry but this is the fact.. Mobile broadband will never perform the same as fixed broadband.. get your expectation right please)

You mentioned that mobile operator is never serious in offering fixed broadband. It's kind of an oxymoron isn't it? Mobile to provide Fixed.

One of the most expensive and finite resource that a wireless operator have is spectrum. To provide the experience that of fixed broadband thru wireless will require multiple fold increase of CAPEX (more spectrum and sites) to achieve which will then break the business model (ie. you would have to sell the service at a higher price than the fixed counterpart).

I can safely say that most operator understand what you are saying and this idea will be killed even during conceptual phase based on what I've mentioned above.


An analogy that I can provide is like saying why can't we have all taxis to be supercars so that we can provide similar speed to an airplane.

This post has been edited by bysquashy: Aug 15 2013, 12:15 PM

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You mentioned that mobile operator is never serious in offering fixed broadband. It's kind of an oxymoron isn't it? Mobile to provide Fixed.

One of the most expensive and finite resource that a wireless operator have is spectrum. To provide the experience that fixed broadband on wireless will require multiple fold increase of CAPEX (more spectrum and sites) to achieve which will then break the business model (ie. you would have to sell the service at a higher price than the fixed counterpart).

I can safely say that most operator understand what you are saying and this idea will be killed even during conceptual phase based on what I've mentioned above.
An analogy that I can provide is like saying why can't we have all taxis to be supercars so that we can provide similar speed to an airplane.

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Spot on..

The fixed broadband market in Malaysia is a bit complicating to start with. Differentiating both mobile internet and fixed broadband sounds like simple approach but in reality Malaysian telcos seems to have complex marketing for them.

Why?

1) TM enjoys almost 100% comfortable monopoly of the entire fixed broadband market
-Over 90% of Malaysians who wants fixed broadband with unlimited quota for proper use on their desktop have no other choice but to choose TM's owned HSBB or Streamyx ADSL networks. Only a small percentage of limited lucky ones get to choose for Time Broadband or Jaring own fixed line networks.

2) Malaysian Mobile Telcos Confuses Consumers With Luring Them Into Thinking Mobile Internet Experience Is As Good As Fixed Broadband
-Just look at packages/plans offered by Celcom, DiGi and Maxis...
DiGi claims to offer Prepaid Internet For Tablets and PCs with exhorbitant prices - RM10 for just 200MB, RM100 for 4.5GB?
SKMM Packs sell for RM25 with just 1GB monthly quotas?

How not uninformed consumers are lured into this hideous trap? So does SKMM wants computer illiterate users to use smartphones or netbooks/PCs? The smartphone adoption drive is just nonsense towards and IT literate society.
We want youths that learn to write codes and use real PC apps.Not messaging FBing and tweeting rubbish all day long.

3) The Introduction of MiFi Devices That Distorts The Definition of Both Mobile Internet and Fixed Broadband Further
Coming from P1 Networks and Yes 4G which were both supposed to be pure data players offering fixed broadband, mini mobile routers and MiFi devices offered by them are now replacing traditional expensive dataplans offered by celcos.

Even if P1 or Yes starts offering MiFi devices with unlimited quota but slower speeds averaging between 1-2mbps, people are going to start ditching their expensive mobile dataplans for their smartphones and start using wifi connections from their MiFi devices. The threat is strong and those traditional celcos are fighting for their lives to keep this idea from getting realized. There won't be any need for mobile connectivity(3G/LTE) for smartphones or tablets any more. People will start buying (WiFi-Only) devices and have them connected to MiFi routers.

That is why the traditional mobile telcos model which handles both traditional circuit based services and data is getting obsoleted.

Our early WiMAX operators such as P1 and AMAX(ended) both started to offer fixed broadband services, how could they end up adopting mobile internet plans today? Their networks were built new from scratch for pure data why did they end up in a mess adopting price structures similar to mobile telcos?

Live could have been made easier if they have just concentrated in pure dataplay because there is NO traditional circuit services transitions to be made.

It is not entirely true to say fixed broadband should not be associated with wireless models.

4-5years back both Time Broadband and Jaring had reached a certain level of success by offering the Webbit and SOMA Networks CDMA solutions that offered UNLIMITED fixed wireless broadband packages to users in cities upto 2mbps. It was until faster TM Streamyx and UniFi packages were introduced which caused their decline of use in urban areas.

Moreso moving forward from Rel. 8 Specs, early LTE has already been designed to incorporate simplification and adopt full data only services.

I'll share some important information to you about wireless resources base on rigorous studies made recently by telco vendor labs(vendor name witheld). Those who eager to know why Digi's 3G network and the other mobile telcos seem to have very frequent drop calls here's the answer:

It was discovered that data utilization which shared the same resources as fixed networks were not the cause of congestion in mobile telco networks but it was the high consumption of consistent L3 signalling(RRC signalling) that bogged their networks down

But rest assured the LTE specs beyond Rel. 8 has already made great improvements to improvise on this since it'll be optimized to handle pure data-play services including IP based VoLTE.

UMTS 3G networks used to have 5 RRC signalling states but with LTE onwards now they've simplified it to ONLY 2 for much greater efficiency - RRC_idle and RRC_Connected.

How inefficient UMTS for data compared to LTE?

Here are 3 scenarios:

With normal voice continuous calls - it only takes up 50 RRC signalling messages
Skype on idle in the background(using Android OS phone) 1 hr period - ~1400 RRC signalling messages
Use of Android MMO game for just 1/2hr period - 3000+ signalling messages

But this is no excuse for pure data WiMAX networks that was actually meant to provide fixed broadband services from the very start. Why did they end up getting confused and mixed up with package plans similar to UMTS/HSPA+ players?

This also further strengthen the case where it's futile to use mobile to compete in the segment that fixed is dominating.

You've mixed air interface resources with baseband capabilities. Signaling only takes up relatively small portion of air interface. What the report is trying to point out is that the CNBAP capability of the Node B can't cope with the increase of signaling due to smartphone.

Remember, the limited resource is the air interface. Solving the signaling problem won't give you much help in terms of giving more throughput.


Because they (WiMAX) are competing with other mobile broadband products, not fixed broadband.


One more point that I would like to point out is that mobile networks will always have longer latency compared to fixed. This will always be another limiting factor for mobile networks.

This post has been edited by bysquashy: Aug 16 2013, 07:46 AM

It has gone technical.. So let's go technical.. You're talking about "Smartphone Signalling".. It's indeed a huge topic...

It's good that you have discovered this issue.. This issue is not new, networks with matured smartphone market (e.g. AT&T, O2, SingTel) have seen this issue 2/3 years ago. It has already been addressed..

Whats the driver of this issue?
1. 3G network was traditionally designed for legacy devices/phones, which don't connect & disconnect to internet frequently.. (Last time when you use non-smartphones or dongles, you connect to internet for x minutes/hours, then go disconnect for x minutes/hours.. and so on).
Now with smartphones, with all the 'always on' apps (like facebook messenger, whatsapp, BBM, viber, wechat, etc).. your connections and disconnections happen in seconds, not minutes/hours anymore.. The connections & disconnections are mainly signalling messages.. This makes the networks get drastic increase in signalling messages & RNC processing utilisation..

2. There are several states for a device in the network, idle, connected, voice call, etc. (which is why you see battery life in phone specs for idle, calls, internet...). There is a timer in a network that tells the device to go to "idle" state when there is no more activity for certain time.. to prevent unnecessary disconnection & reconnection
For device manufacturers, in order to have longer battery life, they want their device to go back to idle state as soon as possible.. They dont care about signalling when disconnect and reconnect.. Hence they came out with a feature called "Fast Dormancy" which over-rule network timer and force the device to go to idle state as soon as possible..

How this issue is addressed in 3G & LTE
In 3G: by adding intermediate state between idle & connected
In LTE: DRX features is introduced, however there's trade-off with latency. DRX is not new feature, it's been there since GSM time..

For more info.. search around "Fast Dormancy"..

Question: When will be LTE sim-enable will be available for prepaid users?

bro,look at previous post..