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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Thanks for Everything , Bellamy! YNWA
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SUSMugenConcept
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Aug 14 2012, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Aug 13 2012, 05:21 PM) I just realized LFC have plenty of central midfielders now. Gerrard, Lucas, Allen, Shelvey, Adam, Spearing, Henderson. Looks like Hendo, Adam and Spearing gonna warm the bench often this season. Adam is heading to Fulham in a swap deal. Given chance I'd like to see Hendo out and keep Adam instead.....
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madmoz
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Aug 14 2012, 10:45 AM
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Well, when Henderson joined he was known for being a neat tidy central midfield passer. Adam on the other hand was supposedly a 'long pass' and set piece specialist.
Aside from obvious age advantage, Henderson looks to be a better fit for BR's system. And personally, I still think that Lucas & Henderson will make one hell of a good midfield pairing - pass and move galore!
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vreis
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Aug 14 2012, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 14 2012, 10:45 AM) Well, when Henderson joined he was known for being a neat tidy central midfield passer. Adam on the other hand was supposedly a 'long pass' and set piece specialist. Aside from obvious age advantage, Henderson looks to be a better fit for BR's system. And personally, I still think that Lucas & Henderson will make one hell of a good midfield pairing - pass and move galore! Ditto, take out long pass & set pieces out of Adam, & he's not even a championship player. Its obvious last season, KD bought Adam to do just that but he never got going
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Duke Red
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Aug 14 2012, 11:10 AM
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Look at all my stars!!
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Adam does indeed look limited although relatively young. Still he cost 4 times less than Henderson so it was a reasonable gamble. His defending is atrocious and his passes and corners are overrated. At this point, Jonjo Shelvey looks to be a more solid player than both Henderson and Adam so I'm hoping to see him get more playing time.
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normeck
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Aug 14 2012, 11:15 AM
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Rodgers looking to win over fansQUOTE Brendan Rodgers feels he has a lot to prove at Liverpool and believes the majority of the club's fans are "still not sure" about his appointment.
After a hugely impressive spell in charge of Swansea City, Rodgers arrived at Anfield looking to revitalise the club after the sacking of fans' favourite Kenny Dalglish.
"I do feel at home but I will never be complacent," he said. "I'm sure the majority of supporters are still not sure about me. I've got so much to prove here. I have got to fight for my life to prove I am good enough to be here.
"I feel comfortable in relation to my position and work on the field. My promise was to fight for the club every single day.
"We're in a good moment and a good position. We've had a terrific pre-season and we've already started our competitive games in the Europa League. We now arrive into the Barclays Premier League next week with a real strong mindset, and hopefully that can continue.
"Certainly, I am very, very pleased with where we're at. The players have shown great determination and they want to learn. They're very happy to work in this way. I am delighted with where we're at because I know the vision and where this leads to, and hopefully it will continue to improve."
It also appears that Andy Carroll, who rejected a move to West Ham United earlier this summer, could have a place in the manager's plans.
Rodgers had indicated that Carroll would be allowed to leave Anfield, but the England striker scored for the Reds against Leverkusen and Rodgers said: "The poor guy got stuck with it that he can't play this way, but it was a wonderful piece of skill." Agger in the darkQUOTE Daniel Agger has expressed his desire to stay at Liverpool, but says his Anfield future is in the hands of the club and no one has spoken to him about the situation.
Agger, 27, has been strongly linked with a move to Premier League champions Manchester City, while Spanish giants Barcelona are also in the running for his signature.
Reds boss Brendan Rodgers last week hinted Agger's time at Anfield may be up by admitting "every player has his price" and the centre-back's Liverpool career has been plunged into further doubt with news that City are believed to be preparing a third bid after seeing two reported bids rejected.
However, Agger, currently on international duty with Denmark ahead of Wednesday's friendly with Slovenia, claims he has not been informed of City's interest and remains hopeful he will be plying his trade on Merseyside this season.
When asked about his future, Agger told Politiken: "I have not been told anything by the club regarding the transfer. It is not up to me to judge whether it's weird or not. That is how the club has decided that it should be. I can not do anything.
"This period is every year, but I take it quietly with a smile. There has not been anything from the club so far, there's no reason for me to be worried. I know there has been something from Manchester City, but i dont know what Liverpool thinks of it.
"I'm fine with my situation. The club must find out what they want. I have heard nothing from them. I'd rather be here, but it's not me who has the decision at the moment.
"Liverpool may just make the transfer, even though I have two years left. But no, I have not changed my mind on the subject when I said I will not play for other English clubs than Liverpool, but sometimes you can still get in a situation where it's not your decision.
"I will not stay in a place where I am not wanted, but I'd rather be here. This is my priority."
Agger has recently had the initials of the famous Reds song 'You'll Never Walk Alone' tattooed onto his knuckles, but he insists it has no connection.
"It has nothing to do with my current situation. It is a gesture towards the Kop, towards Liverpool and towards the people around the club." SOS : espnsoccernet
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melt
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Aug 14 2012, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(tiSSue_paPer @ Aug 14 2012, 01:01 AM) 1. Luis Suarez - 61 (2,556) 2. Stewart Downing - 55 (2,477) 3. Charlie Adam - 47 (2,175) 4. Dirk Kuyt - 40 (2,002) 5. Andy Carroll - 40 (2,065) 6. Jose Enrique - 34 (2,992) 7. Craig Bellamy - 32 (1,241) 8. Jordan Henderson - 31 (2,663) 9. Steven Gerrard - 27 (1,212) 10. Glen Johnson - 22 (1,952) This just show our converting rate were poor last seaon. I have even lost count on how many time we hit the post instead of scoring a goal
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electron
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Aug 14 2012, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(melt @ Aug 14 2012, 11:16 AM) This just show our converting rate were poor last seaon. I have even lost count on how many time we hit the post instead of scoring a goal  looking at the number of hits on the goal post, i actually had the idea that the team should train with a slightly smaller goal perhaps 5 cm smaller from each side except for the goalkeeper of course
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Petre
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Aug 14 2012, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 14 2012, 10:45 AM) Well, when Henderson joined he was known for being a neat tidy central midfield passer. Adam on the other hand was supposedly a 'long pass' and set piece specialist. Aside from obvious age advantage, Henderson looks to be a better fit for BR's system. And personally, I still think that Lucas & Henderson will make one hell of a good midfield pairing - pass and move galore! maybe its only me but i think henderson usually makes the 'safe' pass option
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AnythingK
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Aug 14 2012, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(Petre @ Aug 14 2012, 11:31 AM) maybe its only me but i think henderson usually makes the 'safe' pass option  Yea i noticed that too, its like "pushing away the responsibility" kind of pass...
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Yluxion
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Aug 14 2012, 11:59 AM
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It's no secret that Charlie Adam lacks defensive ability. However, he does possess a decent left foot and a good set piece taker. He performs better when he's given a more advance role with minimum defensive responsibilities. After all, he did provides the most assists for us last season. It isn't bad if he stays with us, but it would be even better if his departure means the incoming of Dempsey. This post has been edited by Yluxion: Aug 14 2012, 12:02 PM
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Petre
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Aug 14 2012, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(bitebug @ Aug 14 2012, 12:11 PM) read this with great interest yesterday. why the timing so nice? after we captured allen... and if it really happens... how to accomodate alonso, allen, jerat, lucas...
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madmoz
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Aug 14 2012, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Aug 14 2012, 11:59 AM) It's no secret that Charlie Adam lacks defensive ability. However, he does possess a decent left foot and a good set piece taker. He performs better when he's given a more advance role with minimum defensive responsibilities. After all, he did provides the most assists for us last season. It isn't bad if he stays with us, but it would be even better if his departure means the incoming of Dempsey.  again i must stress, looking at 'assists' is only looking at half of the picture. but in this case, it does seem that Adam was indeed one of our better creators last season, looking at the 'chances created' table a few posts above this and comparing it to the actual time played.
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shamsul_LP
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Aug 14 2012, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 14 2012, 11:10 AM) Adam does indeed look limited although relatively young. Still he cost 4 times less than Henderson so it was a reasonable gamble. His defending is atrocious and his passes and corners are overrated. At this point, Jonjo Shelvey looks to be a more solid player than both Henderson and Adam so I'm hoping to see him get more playing time. his passes and corners not overrated.During his year at blackpool, his corner are always dangerous..all curl in near the post...a little flick cause a goal...just something go wrong with him the season..all his corner are terrible bad.maybe due to our set piece policy?And i agree shelvey more solid than both henderson and adam...i wonder why we play both of them instead of shelvey last year...i still wonder why we bought allen without get rid some of our midfield (we have so many player at centre...adam/spearing/henderson/shelvey...all are backup?
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Rotuham
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Aug 14 2012, 01:55 PM
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Still need one more wide forward or winger to cover bellamy's departure.I am hoping it will be ramirez. Joe cole and charlie adam should leave to fund ramirez.
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Cloud0890
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Aug 14 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Aug 14 2012, 11:43 AM) Yea i noticed that too, its like "pushing away the responsibility" kind of pass... Same here but I personally find it acceptable for Henderson to do that kind of passes if he was instructed by the manager to play in that role of recycling possession and move the ball to a playmaker or winger. That is the reason why Downing's has been rated poorly last season. Being a winger that is meant to provide width, open up defences, run at defenders etc. he was making too many of those safe passes as soon as he received the ball and that was what exactly someone mentioned in a post earlier. I've seen him taking on defenders with confidence early in the season but that confidence gradually faded away as the season goes by. Hopefully he can recapture that form. Added on August 14, 2012, 2:37 pmQUOTE Liverpool are close to landing Barcelona winger Cristian Tello, 21, on loan with Arsenal, Malaga, Valencia and Benfica also interested. QUOTE The Reds will look to replace centre-back Daniel Agger with Swansea's Ashley Williams, 27, if they sell the Dane to Manchester City. QUOTE Liverpool are closing in on Real Madrid midfielder Nuri Sahin, while defender Martin Skrtel, 27, is poised to sign a new four-year contract extension. Sausage This post has been edited by Cloud0890: Aug 14 2012, 02:39 PM
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Petre
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Aug 14 2012, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Aug 14 2012, 02:34 PM) Same here but I personally find it acceptable for Henderson to do that kind of passes if he was instructed by the manager to play in that role of recycling possession and move the ball to a playmaker or winger. That is the reason why Downing's has been rated poorly last season. Being a winger that is meant to provide width, open up defences, run at defenders etc. he was making too many of those safe passes as soon as he received the ball and that was what exactly someone mentioned in a post earlier. I've seen him taking on defenders with confidence early in the season but that confidence gradually faded away as the season goes by. Hopefully he can recapture that form. Added on August 14, 2012, 2:37 pmSausage  nice... no rumors of AJ joining? more swansea players? Swansea 2.0 we are turning into... This post has been edited by Petre: Aug 14 2012, 02:53 PM
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Duke Red
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Aug 14 2012, 02:57 PM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Aug 14 2012, 01:34 PM) his passes and corners not overrated.During his year at blackpool, his corner are always dangerous..all curl in near the post...a little flick cause a goal...just something go wrong with him the season..all his corner are terrible bad.maybe due to our set piece policy?And i agree shelvey more solid than both henderson and adam...i wonder why we play both of them instead of shelvey last year...i still wonder why we bought allen without get rid some of our midfield (we have so many player at centre...adam/spearing/henderson/shelvey...all are backup? You just admitted that his corner taking was terrible last season. He had one good year that we noticed with Blackpool and much was made of his ability. Now I'm not anti-Adam but he came with a reputation built over just one season and he failed to produce the same quality in a red shirt. He had one good season in the Premiership and one poor one so can we say with the utmost confidence that he isn't anything more than a Championship player? I can't. Is he a good player who has had one poor season or an average player who had one good season in the Premiership? He wouldn't be the first player to look decent in a poor side but look ordinary in a better one. I hope you're right and last season was a one-off but with the midfielders we have at our disposal, he wouldn't be one of my starters. Will he fit into Rodger's system? Players like Gerrard, Shelvey, Henderson and Lucas are mobile and can play quick one-twos, not something Charlie excels in. If he could defend, I'd say yeah, he could be our Xabi Alonso, playing accurate passes from deep but if I'm to be critical, he can't defend and will hence be a liability at the back and his long range passing is to me, no better than Gerrard's. If we play him further forward, he'll have to raise the tempo of his game, something I'm not sure he can do. So just where will he fit in? Again, I hope he proves me wrong, I really do.
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rushmode
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Aug 14 2012, 03:31 PM
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I see no future for Adam. During the previous friendly with Leverkusen he was poor and looks like he doesn't fit in BR style of play. With Allen intro in the team, big chances of him getting offloaded.
And I don't like the way the club handle the Agger issue. He already said that he prefer to stay in his latest interview but the club still keep quite. At least according to Agger the club hasn't been in talk with him yet. Does the club really wanted to cash up on him? Sad really if he goes.
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hfi
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Aug 14 2012, 03:51 PM
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 14 2012, 02:57 PM) You just admitted that his corner taking was terrible last season. He had one good year that we noticed with Blackpool and much was made of his ability. Now I'm not anti-Adam but he came with a reputation built over just one season and he failed to produce the same quality in a red shirt. He had one good season in the Premiership and one poor one so can we say with the utmost confidence that he isn't anything more than a Championship player? I can't. Is he a good player who has had one poor season or an average player who had one good season in the Premiership? He wouldn't be the first player to look decent in a poor side but look ordinary in a better one. I hope you're right and last season was a one-off but with the midfielders we have at our disposal, he wouldn't be one of my starters. Will he fit into Rodger's system? Players like Gerrard, Shelvey, Henderson and Lucas are mobile and can play quick one-twos, not something Charlie excels in. If he could defend, I'd say yeah, he could be our Xabi Alonso, playing accurate passes from deep but if I'm to be critical, he can't defend and will hence be a liability at the back and his long range passing is to me, no better than Gerrard's. If we play him further forward, he'll have to raise the tempo of his game, something I'm not sure he can do. So just where will he fit in? Again, I hope he proves me wrong, I really do. Adam mostly shines when we are pinning the opponents in their own half and when we are playing a much slower tempo. He just needs a lot of space and time to operate. Which he won't get against teams putting out real fight to win the midfield. The total lack of close control, athleticism, and ability to win the ball makes him vulnerable and a glaring weakness in our midfield. Combined that with pressure and intense tempo, and his game will suffer to the point of him looking like a complete joke of a player. But build a team around him and have the workhorses to do the dirty job for him and you see him play at his best. Not going to happen with Brendan as he wants everyone to have a role in the team and not just be a passenger.
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