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post Jun 9 2012, 07:56 PM

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Apparently fans can get holds of LFC's and other PL teams players salary slips now.
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post Jun 11 2012, 03:45 PM

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Been a frequent reader of Rafa's blog. Very meticulous and obsessed with stats and numbers. Very good read indeed.

Didn't really get on how Rafa overpay his players. If the players proofs his worth then salary increased is something what the players expected in return. This way we could make them stay.
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post Jun 11 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 11 2012, 04:56 PM)
maybe Kenny did prefer Downing but the fact that Comolli is the one did all the negotiations making him responsible on signings too.

Then again, no one outside the higher ups of club management knew the details so its never a debate after all. Plus, its goal.com, i wouldnt believe anything from there.
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post Jun 20 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jun 20 2012, 11:47 AM)
and then there is rumour that he will be back in Italy with AC Milan with us paying half the wages and a buyout clause of mere 1m euro

now that is bad business
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this is Parry (correct me if i'm wrong) fault when negotiating the contract. however if im not mistaken the clause only valid if certain condition met like how many games he started and stuff.. which aqua doesn't do so the clause cant be invoke.

btw, i'm pleased to see our captain is having a good campaign in euro. 3 assist in 3 games. best player in england squad so far. just hope he come back with high confidence and injury free..


Added on June 20, 2012, 12:07 pm
QUOTE(RyanHo @ Jun 20 2012, 12:04 PM)
Got this in the mornin
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looks like you want to jizz on the kit. lol. jk tongue.gif

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post Jul 6 2012, 11:52 AM

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I thought LFC was always doing their business behind closed doors. Thats why I didn't care much what I read on the interweb because 90% of them are crap. Staying quite doesnt mean the club didn't look for a player. They may have line up a couple of players to be bought already we never knew until its official.

Regarding Sigurdson, if BR think he didn't deserve the salary he is asking then nobody can argue because BR knows him well and he is the one responsible for making Sigurdson unlock his true potential. Its the player loss.. not ours.
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post Jul 6 2012, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 6 2012, 01:47 PM)
Maybe BR still has small club mentality!    biggrin.gif
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I'd give him the benefit of a doubt.

QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jul 6 2012, 04:41 PM)
Well either that or the clubs we are dealing with intentionally leak news to the media to try attracting more suitors in an attempt to further inflate prices. I remember reading lots of transfer rumours this time last year and amongst them Downing, Adam, Henderson, Enrique all turned out to be true and there was that failed transfer when Phil Jones chose Manures over us. Are there no more secrets in football? Did the media plant insiders inside every football club?
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Yes, its most probably true. It might be the club we are dealing with who broke the news to media to get more interest from other clubs so they could jack the price up.
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post Jul 14 2012, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Jul 14 2012, 07:41 PM)
If there is inconsistency I think there is a loopholes being judge by civil court first before the FA....I dont think FA will do anything..cuz after this  FA wont go against the Civil Law..they will be label disrespectful to the court decision..but..this is English FA..anything can happen  laugh.gif
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Not really. The FA still can take action on Terry because the civil court and them are two different entity. Someone lodge apolice report against Terry for racial abuse so the civil court have to trial him court. FA have to back off until the trial is done. Now that its done and FA said the will look into it, lets wait what is their verdict. Since this is the English FA, I wont be suprise if Terry found not guilty or sentenced less than what Suarez got.
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post Jul 17 2012, 12:04 PM

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This Carroll situation reminds me of Zlatan Ibra at Barca. Terrific player but not suitable for the way they play.. end up shipped out..

Maybe BR think the same.
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post Jul 30 2012, 01:22 PM

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liverpool echo and guardian would be the best sos.. but sometimes they are wrong too..

best to stick with official club site.

and how the hell people come out with aqua's salary?? or any othe players? i remember couple season back aqua salary is 60k/week.. now is 100k? nonsense.
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post Aug 3 2012, 11:01 AM

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1st game of the season... waaayyyy off from home. A win is a win. Didnt watched it but reading the match review we played badly. It's alright though.. BR and the team need a couple more games to familiarized with new system. This win will only give boost to confidence. We won without creating any chances... not like us at all. tongue.gif

Anyway, Carra's 700th games with LFC. Legend!
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post Aug 3 2012, 03:46 PM

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whats with this tiki-taka obsession? its overrated.

We are LFC.. pass and move is our way.
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post Aug 3 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Aug 3 2012, 03:59 PM)
So a system that has won barca plenty of titles in the past 5 years and spain 2 euros and 1world cup is overrated?

Maybe we can start by admitting we don't have the players for it.

Didn't watch the match but i think people are reading too much into it.
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they are bless with insanely talented players.. barca re-emerge when these set of players matured. before that they are not that great outside of spain. let see how they will perform after the current crop of players past their prime.

our pass and move win 4 european cups and dozens others.. dominating for almost 2 decades. so our style win by that logic..

it's not a matter of system, its a matter of right players for the system. off course the continuity of the system is key to prolong success. much like MU. but if we keep changing managers every 2 seasons, the system wont really work.. at least on the long run.

BR is a known fan of tiki-taka but surely the system he wanted to implement is not. He has his own system so stop obsessing over tiki-taka
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post Aug 4 2012, 03:37 PM

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Aqua looks like he dont really want to stay in Liverpool or England. There's probably something wrong with him since 3 of our managers Roy, Kenny and BR dont rate him at all.

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post Aug 9 2012, 09:45 PM

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If BR is serious on implementing high tempo pass and move that he likes then he must fight hard to keep dagger in the team. Agger is among few CB that can control the ball really well wihout hoofing it up the field. His partnership with Skrtel just about to shape up.. they can be formidable just like Hyppia and Henchoz. Sold Cole off and use that extra money to increase Dagger's wages. Its a good investment

I never doubt his loyalty to the club and if he is sold then its the club choice to let him go. Sad if it really happen.
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post Aug 11 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Aug 11 2012, 04:04 AM)
Hmm, according to statistic, he hasn't managed a 30games per season since he joined us. The worst season was the 2nd season where he only managed 5games for the whole season. With the wage he is on, highly doubt BR will reject the offer if the PRICE IS RIGHT...
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He been better lately, no? He got that back problem that keep coming back but his body seems fit n stronger. He admit himself his body was weak and maybe not suitable for football but will strive to becom fitter.

For a player of his calibre we can afford his wages eventhough he is playing less than 30 games a season. We already free up wages by selling big earners like kuyt, maxi, bellers and aqua. Waiting for Cole to be offloaded. Also we do have backup in Coates and Kelly. They are not ready for primetime yet but decent enough for backup.
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post Aug 14 2012, 03:31 PM

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I see no future for Adam. During the previous friendly with Leverkusen he was poor and looks like he doesn't fit in BR style of play. With Allen intro in the team, big chances of him getting offloaded.

And I don't like the way the club handle the Agger issue. He already said that he prefer to stay in his latest interview but the club still keep quite. At least according to Agger the club hasn't been in talk with him yet. Does the club really wanted to cash up on him? Sad really if he goes.
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post Aug 15 2012, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 15 2012, 02:26 PM)
Whilst I disagree that we should sell our best players especially if they are committed to stay, I feel we need to look at it from the perspective of management who understandably cannot always be swayed by emotion. They are there to make the tough calls we can't.

1) Agger is now 27 and although it's arguable that he hasn't yet peaked being a central defender and all, he has been blighted by injury and it's conceivable that as he gets older, he'll be more likely to get crocked.
2) We signed him for $6,000,000 and are now asking for $25,000,000. That's a profit of $19,000,000.

Point no.2 will always be given consideration as the club looks to turn our negative cash flow into a positive one. If Financial Fairplay had been implemented last season, we'd be in the red. Of course one reason we were in the red is because the Warrior deal was not taken into account as Adidas still have to see out the term of their contract. The bottom line is, we will always consider selling players if we earn a substantial profit, possibly reinvesting it into young players. It was already stated last season that the club is looking to invest in good young talent as it is likely their value will increase over the years. Sounds like we're investing in property or stock? Yes but sadly, this is what football has become.

Here are arguments for him to stay, my opinions of course.

1) He's formed a good partnership with Skrtel and it's questionable if the latter can replicate last season's form if paired with another.
2) Agger isn't on a high salary meaning he fits within our wage structure (http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/salaries.html).

The thing is if it's all about the numbers, $25,000,000 can potentially buy you 4 Daniel Agger's and all things being equal, that means a future profit projection of $76,000,000. I'm sure a team of number crunchers have done the math before deciding that Agger might be worth selling.

However, I'm all for him staying. I'm a big fan of Dagger given his versatility and ability.
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They should find a way offloading Cole if they are looking at Financial Fairplay. Agger though get injured frequently but he makes the difference when he is playing. The owners might not admit it but they wanted to be in CL very soon. So from my point of view selling Agger will hamper those chances. 27 for CB is not old at all. Usually this is the time they peaked. If we do sell him, the money for selling him surely can buy another CB but it will not guarantee be nearly as good as Agger and most probably will not fit in the team very quickly. So here we stuck in the same ol' 'rebuilding' cycle loop.
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post Aug 15 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Aug 15 2012, 04:41 PM)
Liverpool is not in the football business to bankrupt themselves. If they have to sell, they will sell in order to get players that will be useful to the current formation. Think of the bigger objective here. Will you go for keeping 1 defensive player than having 2 creative wingers?

If we lose Agger, Coates will step up. Simple as that. It doesnt mean Skrtel and Carra will suddenly be heartbroken and will concede 60 goals.  Defensively, Liverpool has always concede little. It is the attack that is a letdown last season.

The club is more important than any individuals. And we have to get back into Champions League already. And it's another season I pray that MU wont win the premier league. We need our number 19 league trophy to come as soon as possible as well.
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you are missing the point.. Agger is by far the best CB in our club and Top 5 in PL. Selling him will not only weakened the defense and also midfield (because of Agger can keep and pass the ball well - linked up with CM). This will reduced of chances of us getting to CL. Good offense with weak defense line will amount to nothing much. Roys Evans era proof this. Coates still young and not ready for full time PL yet. He with Kelly, is the future of LFC but not now.

QUOTE(rexus @ Aug 15 2012, 05:00 PM)
'EXCLUSIVE: I would leave Liverpool for Barcelona, admits Man City target Agger.'

SOS
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post Aug 15 2012, 05:16 PM

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loves Carra but he definately not on par with Hyypia. He definitely has past his time.

We won CL in 2005 because of Rafa's tactical genius. We didn't bang in goals that year and won mostly with slim goal advantage. And off course LUCK! I will remember Gerrard's goal against Olympiakos and Gudjohnsen's last minute miss forever.
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post Aug 16 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Aug 16 2012, 02:54 PM)
A piece on Agger and loyalty. Would like nothing for than for him to stay but it seems FSG are intent to cash in while his market value is higher than it's every been. Seems the are keeping true to their word. To buy young players who will yield profit in the future and it seems that to them, Agger's future is now. Guess we had better get used to the fact that only the bottom line matters to FSG.

http://live4liverpool.com/2012/08/view-fro...-two-way-street
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when it goes down like this I cant help to think that this is a typical Yanks way. if we keep selling our best player to gain profit then how we gonna push to top and stay there a for while?

Agger could reject any offers to move just like Carrol did but I think he the kind of man that rather play somewhere he is wanted than stay with someone who doesn't want him.

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