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Rotuham
post Jun 6 2012, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 6 2012, 12:14 AM)
well, we invested in some talent before tongue.gif kinda cost us quite a bit, unfortunately didn't blossom as much as we liked.

maybe a go at the lower rungs of minor or non leagues may unearth some gem stones.  sweat.gif
I know some may accuse of us of having little faith, i don't want to sound like a party popper, i'm a realist.

What lies ahead for LFc will be difficult. We all acknowledge that next season ManC, ManU, Arsenal, Chelsea are in front in the group for players destination (A list players and big talent). Liverpool, Tottenham, Newcastle comes next. 

Hopefully next season, we'll have some hogwarts magic to help us to somewhat cast away "hit the post syndrome"  cool2.gif
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Well you can group arsenal with us too.Their lack of winning culture and refusal to spend big says otherwise.
If you have proper scouts you can unearth some gems like you said and of course a ''best player possible'' instead of a ''white british only'' policy.If newcastle can get players like papiss cisse,demba ba,cabaye and united can get hernandez for meagre amounts i think it's down to their scouts.

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post Jun 6 2012, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jun 6 2012, 11:27 PM)
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These idiots need to be smacked in the head with a baseball bat.After all the trouble and controversy this SOB can come up with this doh.gif
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post Jun 7 2012, 04:16 PM

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I've got a question for those who think adam and downing will come good next season.What is your reasoning for that and what if they turn out the same as last season?
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post Jun 8 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 8 2012, 01:54 PM)
Good post. I agree i don;t really rate Johnson myself. Flash of brilliance but other than that, he's very quiet in most games. If we're gonna go by potential then might as well just stick with Raheem whose already on our payroll. If we're going to spend some money on a new winger then it simply has to be better than potential.
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I think johnson isn't consistent but it is the moments of brilliance that we need.When torres played for us he looked like he was doing nothing,but when he gets a chance the next thing you know the ball is in the back of the net.


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QUOTE(twtang @ Jun 8 2012, 01:59 PM)
Not sure why we are after so many English player? Don't tell me they are serious about building an English version of Barca?
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Adam johnson is the only english player i can accept for this summer.The rest no thanks.

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post Jun 9 2012, 04:59 PM

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Downing earning more than mata shocking.gif

Thanks alot kenny rolleyes.gif
Rotuham
post Jun 11 2012, 02:19 AM

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Did anyone watch the spain italy match? Jesus navas was pure class.Now that's someone who is worth a 20million price tag and 80k per week.
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post Jun 11 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Max_07s @ Jun 11 2012, 09:35 AM)
someone forget damien comolli... blink.gif
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Comolli wanted mata.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774/the-sw...-liverpools-buy

End of debate.
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post Jun 11 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jun 11 2012, 05:21 PM)
But who negotiated the contract ? and who agreed to pay those wages ? It's not a debate because none of us know the full details.
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Ok la.None of it is dalglish fault.He hasn't made any mistakes.Good day.
Downing should be contender for world player of the year if he gets lucky next season.

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post Jun 14 2012, 09:06 PM

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Harry redknapp leaves spurs.They're going back to midtable brows.gif
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post Jun 14 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(xcoselete @ Jun 14 2012, 10:31 PM)
Sky Italia are reporting that Galatasaray have signed Newcastle striker Demba Ba for a fee of €11m. We should get him though  rolleyes.gif
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I thought we were gonna get darren bent for 20million unsure.gif

Oh wait somebody isn't here anymore tongue.gif
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post Jun 15 2012, 07:35 PM

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With torres back on form and spain finally getting their rhythm back i don't see how anyone can stop this spanish juggernaut again this year.Unless uncle roy gets in the way tongue.gif

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post Jun 16 2012, 02:51 PM

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As long as we have no CL,there will be no new stadium or even revamping of Anfield.You can't get bank loans without CL.
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post Jun 16 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 16 2012, 03:15 PM)
Why not?
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How are you gonna convince bank to give you loans without Cl revenue?That's how arsenal got theirs.
Can you get loans,credit cards without a minimum income yearly?The owners can't use their own money here because their spending will be accounted under FFP rules.The club has to generate its own money.As it stands now the club is making losses.

So please tell me where the money is going to come from?Kenny's carling cup?Unless liverpool can suddenly reach commercial revenue of man utd in one year,that isn't likely.

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post Jun 16 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Jun 16 2012, 04:19 PM)
not so sure about this..but i read somewhere that stadium development and facilities wont be part of ffp.. nod.gif
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I am not sure about that either because liverpool made 50million loss last year and FSG said it was money for the previous stadium planning and design.
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post Jun 17 2012, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jun 17 2012, 12:44 AM)
Yes CL cash is important but that doesn't mean you can't take loans, if you still receive significant revenue from other areas (sponsors for example) you will still get the loan. We are getting some of the biggest sponsorship deals in football and that was achieved even without CL, which proves that Liverpool FC is still a big enough name/brand that guarantees return. Apart from loans, they were discussing about stadium naming deals which would make a lot of sense too so the loan wouldn't have to be too big a cost for us to bear.

As for the 50 million loss, it was mostly the mess left by our previous ownership. H&G didn't deliver their promise of a new stadium and even more so they didn't even pay for the design and planning costs which John Henry described as a futuristic but costly and unpractical. Adding that to the contract termination costs for the dismissal of staffs and various other debts from the H&G era. So I wouldn't say we make losses every year as that was a one-off situation, the club should do fine as long as FSG keep up their effort in reducing our unreasonably high wage bill and continue attracting big sponsorship deals.
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When i mentioned about CL,i already assumed that we have secured the stadium rights sponsorship.I was talking about the other portion.I don't think you take loan from one bank only.There's a collaboration between the banks.It will be difficult to convince a number of banks if you are running on deficit.Arsenal could convince them back then because they were in CL and were constantly challenging for the league.

If you read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirates_Stad...ance_and_naming even with PL money and CL arsenal found it difficult to finance the stadium back then.What more us who are without PL money prize and CL.CL revenue is easily 35k if you get past group stages.Remember we are not gonna pay it lump sum but sign a long bond.
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post Jun 17 2012, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 17 2012, 12:30 PM)
There you go. All the answers here.  Heaven forbid that no club outside the top four will ever be able to take a loan. Even Leeds Utd who were far less profitable loaned themselves into administration. We are still a highly commercial club and like cloud said much of the £50 million loss is attributed to H&G. We are in a far more stable position financially now with our debt having been cleared. Also the loss did not take into account our deal with Warrior. We finished 8th, still have the Warrior deal to bank on and if we expand our stadium, cash flow will improve. Banks see that we have a business case. Reducing the wage bill, sponsorship deals, merchandising, etc are all part of a business case. Banks don't only loan money to those already wealthy but also those with the potential to gain wealth. Banks will get back their money either way. How do you reckon H&G loaned all that money and put us in the red in the first place? FSG have a far better reputation.

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Are you forgetting that when HG took the loan we had CL?In fact we were doing very well in it by reaching at least semi finals.

When you say expanding on our stadium,i assume that you mean revamp anfield.Do you know that we are gonna take a hit on matchday revenue if we revamp anfield?It will only increase after it is completed.That is why i favour a new stadium rather than revamping anfield.At least the current revenue can be maintained while building a new 65-70k seater.
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post Jun 17 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 17 2012, 10:02 PM)
Are you forgetting that when H&G took over, we didn't have Standard Chartered nor did we have Warrior? I imagine that we also paid more in terms of wages relatively speaking. They didn't only take one loan did they? They did it over their tenure as owners so much so that RBS decided against anymore loans and they demanded payments for the interest owed. Like I said earlier anyway, banks loan you money if you can show them a proposal or a blueprint for success. I mentioned Leeds earlier, which is an example of a failed venture. Banks are more than willing to loan money and collect on interest because in the end, someone will more than likely pay and a club like Liverpool is not short of prospective owners.

Won't repeat what Cloud mentioned, been one step of me that bloke. Renovating Anfield will be less expensive and even if we take a hit in the short run, the long term benefits far outweigh any loss in the time it will take to complete renovations. FSG has repeatedly mentioned that they are planning for the long term. As it is, we've been shortchanged for years by having a smaller stadium. What's 1-2 years in the bigger scheme of things? 1 step back. 2 steps forward.
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Long terms benefits of a new stadium outweighs that of a revamped anfield.60k is the max for anfield.Here we are talking about pushing it to 70 or 80 if the situation arises.What happens when 60k anfield isn't enough?It's better to move out now than move out in 10-15years time keeping in mind inflation and other mitigating factors.We can't stay at anfield forever because people want to feel nostalgic.Eventually we will have to move out one day.We don't want to look back at that time and say we wasted time and money by redeveloping anfield.New stadium=0 step back 2 steps forward.

About not being short of prospective owners,martin broughton begs to differ.

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However, speaking to ESPNsoccernet Broughton admitted that he had searched the globe but had been unable to find a mega rich investor willing to buy the club.

"We searched the world looking for another owner like the ones at Chelsea and Manchester City. With all of Liverpool's traditions, heritage, history and powerful global brand, I must admit I thought it would be possible to find one,” he explained.

"We hoped for someone who wanted a 'trophy asset', but having scoured the world without finding one, the conclusion is that there are no more Romans [Abramovich] out there.

"Yes, of course, it is disappointing that even a name like Liverpool failed to attract one, so I cannot imagine other club having much luck."

The chairman also hinted that he was a little surprised he couldn’t attract the type of owner he preferred as he believed the lure of a club like Liverpool would have been enough of an enticement.


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post Jun 18 2012, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jun 18 2012, 12:38 AM)
Not quite true on that though. Its an open secret that we had received several offers to buy the club, amongst them FSG and one other prospective owner whom I believe H&G claimed made a much larger offer and is supposedly some UAE backed consortium that would possibly see us spending the way City has been spending. We are not short of suitors.

And yes you might be right that a new stadium might be beneficial in the sense that we might want to further expand the stadium, maybe 70,000 or even 80,000 all seater. Truth is though, how much more would 10,000-20,000 more seats give u? Not saying it isn't good but can we even afford to do that now? I don't like the sound of getting more big ass loans after finally cleaning our decks and risk another near-administration situation. I would rather have funds focused on improving our league position in securing CL position.

The decision isn't up to us anyway, FSG are the ones who does all the work and evaluation, they know the exact costs and benefits and I trust them at that. Redeveloping Anfield is not a certainty anyways, there are houses and people (some Everton fans too probably) living in the area around the stadium which we intend to develop, as much as FSG likes the idea of refurbishing that plan might not come to fruition.
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My point from the beginning was No Cl= No new stadium or anfield development.That's why you will continue to get mixed answers from them and dilly dallying from new stadium to anfield redevelopment.Why else do you think owners don't want to give clear answer even after one year?You said they know the exact costs and benefits so what do you reckon is stopping them from making a decision?

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post Jun 18 2012, 05:40 AM

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Filling the stadium isn't an issue at all.The season ticket waiting list is endless.A bigger stadium definitely will help with that.With CL football i am pretty sure it can generate even more.

I don't know where some get the 500million pound figure from.The proposed stadium from H&G was estimated to cost 400million pounds.FSG are proposing a cost effective one which probably costs 250-300million pounds.That's a far cry from 500.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/stadium/new-stadium

LFC planned to build new 55k seater stadium in 2002.10years later it looks short-sighted.Good thing that didn't materialise.If the 55k plan can be become outdated in 10years with respect to current demands how sure can you be that 60k anfield won't be outdated and unable to cater to demands in 2022?

We must think ahead of the times.The board members in the 90's failed to see things ahead.As a fan i would hate to see that happen again.United are already planning to raise OToilet to 80k.

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post Jun 18 2012, 05:50 PM

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Well,last season we drew our first game against sunderland which we initially thought as an easy game.Then we managed to win at emirates after a decade.

I am not worried about big games.I am more worried about the ''small'' games.

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