More new medical schools!?!?

"Earlier in his speech, Dr. Subramaniam said the ministry was working closely with the Malaysian Medical Council and Education Ministry on the approvals for new medical schools in Malaysia"

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...cialist-doctors

Thanks for providing the awareness.

(1) A question of misconduct in a professional respect may also arise from the patient's husband's complaint about the doctor's conduct which causes grievous hurt to the patient by removing the bandage over the large sutured abdominal wound so rashly or negligently leading to gross blood loss as to endanger the patient's life.

(2) Would this kind of matter give rise to action in the civil court for negligence under Section 338 of the Penal Code, if the patient's husband decides to file a case?

(3) Did the doctor's conduct really disregard her professional responsibility to her patient in the post-op laparotomy?

(4) Luyang is a suburb of Kota Kinabalu which is Sabah's capital.

Probably that’s one of Dr Subramaniam's moves to circumvent the ‘Too many doctors, too little training’ issue in Malaysia.


In other word, his message could be interpreted as “Mass DOCTOR production = poor MEDICAL quality” by some people, unless he clarifies his true meaning of ‘everyone can fly’ syndrome. In fact, mass production is the name given to the method of producing goods in large quantities at lower cost per unit. But mass-produced goods are standardized by means of QA/QC, although allowing lower prices, does not necessarily have to mean low-quality production.

Was he blinded by his own prejudice against AirAsia’s slogan?

How exactly would having more new medical schools circumvent the issue of too many doctors with little training?

Unfortunately, training doctors is NOT the same as an assembly line making cars.....

It is still very much an apprentiseship.....

Therefore, there is an optimal capacity for apprentiseship training, depending on the size of trainers available.....

Also, the quality of humans follow a gaussian curve.....unlike the quality of steel, which can be consistent....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 19 2013, 10:10 PM

Perhaps we’ve been given blank cheques with regard to circumventing the ‘too little training’ part of the ‘Too many doctors, too little training’ issue by having more ‘competent’ medical schools. Furthermore, no detailed implementation plans are disclosed about how exactly the Health Ministry will execute the encashment of the plan. Until he clears things up, it’s only guesswork.


Will the merging of medical schools in Malaysia turn ‘bad’ lecturers to ‘good’ lecturers?

Hi. I am just curious how much does a doctor earn in UK.
Doctors that are doing their houseman.
Thanks.

"Competent" medical spots do NOT solve availability of training spots.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Aug 19 2013, 10:59 PM

Curious enough to google?

Sorry pod. Kindly excited today because I spoke to a doctor who is 50+ this year. He told me that he could make more money in Malaysia compared to UK. He is a kidney specialist. But I thought about it and I am very curious. If doctors could make more in Malaysia, why is everyone so eager to become a doctor in the UK? He also told me that are very few private doctors in the UK. I am just asking here to verify what he said. Is it true?
Thanks.

This post has been edited by Mr Kong: Aug 19 2013, 11:46 PM

How do you feel Datuk Seri Dr Subramaniam should address this?

Agree that "competent" doctors in bolehland do make more money than those in UK. But how about those that are not so.

No apologies required.
Maybe, just maybe not every doctor in the UK is specially in it for the money? Or do you mean malaysians wanting to practice in the UK? The nephrologist is in his 50s, and the scenario when he graduated and specialised is no longer the same today. In the UK, if one works for the NHS as a specialist, the salary is between 75k and 100k sterling, per annum.

Man up, admit that there are too many medical graduates now and in the coming years, that the issue of insufficient training spots will become insufficient. And that perhaps there was an oversight in having so many medical schools in the country. That would be a start, but that would be too much to expect.

nothing to do with competency....

generally, doctors in uk earn more than the equivalent doctors in msia.....

however, as is the usual case in more developed economies, the range of income is narrow in uk.....so the consultants do not earn very much more junior doctors....as said, there is limited private practice in uk, usually in the setting of a full time nhs consultant with some private practice sessions....

on the other hand, msia doctors are paid poorly in the gov.....but when a doctor leaves for private practice, the income jumps.....and people sees the tip of the iceberg successful specialists and thinks all doctors earn like that...

yes indeed, the successful private msian specialists do earn MORE than the nhs consultants.....but that would be comparing an outlier with the mean.....

and like pod said, in the uk, it's not the money usually (in fact, beyond a certain amount, you rather not work any more, as the tax man will take most of it), but quality of life, professional satisfaction, confortable lifestyle etc....

unlike the average (mostly non-malay) msian, not having to save a fortune to finance your children's education and future takes a big load off the average british doctor's financial commitment....removing the main engine that drives the msian doctors...

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 20 2013, 12:10 AM

I would agree that it's quite a huge amount if you convert back to Malaysian ringgit. So it's around RM41k per month.
But I also understand that the tax rate is quite high in the UK. But aren't some specialist in Malaysia making much more?
Thanks.

Ok. Thanks for answering. But in terms of opportunities in Malaysia. Do you agree there are much more opportunities in Malaysia? I mean you can use your money to invest in many things in Malaysia as compared to Uk.

When you work in the UK, you spend in the UK, and the question of "converting back" do not arise. Re specialists in Malaysia, read limeuu's comment above.

I agree with your comment. But what about those who are from lower-income families? One of their priorities would be to send back money to their parents. By lower-income families, I am referring to those who mortgage their house to send their children to UK to study medicine.

Besides, I found this in j%c. I am not sure whether is it relevant or not.

Age: 28
Job Title : Dentist
Years spent in company: 1
Company : Permanent dentist in private dental clinic
Salary : profit sharing, approximately rm25,000 a month
Working hours: 9-5pm, lunch break 1 hour
Annual leave: flexible
Benefits: dental insurance, yearly bonus depending on clinic's profit

I ASSUME he is a normal dentist with a bachelor's degree. At the age of 28, he is already making 25000 in Malaysia whereas I think a specialist is normally around 30+ and making 41000 in the UK? I know I am not comparing apples with apples but is it that glamorous to be a doctor in the UK?I am just curious why many people are so eager to become a doctor in the UK? I am really curious.

This post has been edited by Mr Kong: Aug 20 2013, 12:15 AM

glamorous?.....whatever gave you that idea.....