Continuation of v2 : https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1147877 and v1 : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/416477

Will update this post with necessary stuff after June 11th.

How was your first six months in Monash? Happy with it despite all the brickbats thrown at it? Poor comparison with Clayton?

Closer to 3 months than 6

Very happy with the program . As I mentioned before, since we have a smaller batch compared to our seniors (100 us, 130 Year 2, 300+ Clayton), I found that PBL sessions are more effective. But then it could be just my group There are bad apples of course, but I guess the quality of medical students overall hv been diluted by the number of seats available @ other medical schools as well.

In comparison to Clayton, as I mentioned, we're able to access their lecture recordings but not vice versa. There are a lot of good lecturers in Clayton that I enjoy listening too (e.g Eizenberg, Kerr, Nandurkar, Bullock) in addition to good lecturers in Sunway. I especially enjoy the fact that tutorials were conducted by specialists in that field (e.g histology/pathology tutorials by pathologist, immune system by immunologist, HIV by HIV specialist etc.) instead of some random teachers.

The course has some downsides - probably no internship opportunity in Australia despite being accredited by AMC, astronomical tuition fees compared to other schools and for some people - no cadavers.

But then I try not to get too excited with being in Monash. If my government loan is not approved, I'm going to have to go to UTAR instead

I wish you all the best in your loan application. JPA loan/Mara and gomen recent additional funding.

wow, can download the lectures?
hmm. would be good if we can share something

and pathology tutorial by pathologists, isnt that expected?
unless u mean e.g. if the pathology tutorial is on renal pathology, then only a pathologist with special interest in renal pathology ("subspecialist" in renal pathology) teaches the tutorial, then that would be wow

coz for my schl , any pathologist can be the tutor for any pathology tutorial

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Jun 5 2012, 08:53 PM

Not much of a downside as with how things are at this point, most internationals will not have internship spots upon graduation. Of course Monash Sunway grads will be much lower in the "chain".

I'd be happy to share but they tag all the videos with session information. So I'd be in trouble

Regarding the pathologist thingy, you'd be surprised on how it's being done @ other schools


of course. cant complaint much there. but the number of students expecting to work in Australia is pretty high

They ought not place too much hope in this, and keep up with current news pertaining to this issue, and not hoping "blindly".

wow so theres a no-sharing clause ah. too bad then

hmm, really? imagine pharmacology lecturers tutoring for pathology, wouldnt that be disastrous. haha

but we do have weird cases like a cardiologist giving lecture on infectious diseases (although both are internal med subspecialists)
which i cant understand why, it's not like theres no ID specialist to give a lecture

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Jun 5 2012, 10:12 PM

Just hope that educational establishments and the governing councils should look at better governance, transparency and social responsibility. When all these goes with awareness, a lot of presumptions is unnecessary.

Thanks


I guess if that's the main reason why they came to Monash, why not keep on hoping


Yea that case.. So far none of that happening in Sunway, cause I think students arent afraid to ask questions, and lecturers who dont know anything will be exposed But that will contribute to high tuition fee since specialists dont come cheap

at undergraduate level, it is preferable for non-subspecialist to teach and lecture, as the information/knowledge required is basic, which every doctor (not even necessarily specialists) should know.....

the reason is, the subspecialists tend to have too much in depth knowledge, and tend to confuse medical students.....

therefore, it is perfectly acceptable at undergraduate level, for a cardiologist to lecture on id.....and vice versa.....

Is it not the norm at least to have specialists, though not subspecialist, lecturing at med schools?

Most topics are guided by a syllabus and experienced lecturers will know what is required in the earlier years than the later years.

I would reckon that somebody with more than 10 years of lecturing experience can do it without referring to his notes.

Well, I suppose that med schools know best and the strive for excellence is always there.

there are 2 levels in the medical programme.....the pre-clinical, and the clinical.....unfortunately, in some programmes, this has blurred due to integration of the two components programme...

at basic sciences/pre-clinical level, it is NOT necessary for clinicians to teach students....but preferable....

in the clinical years, clinicians will take over, but again, it is not necessary for 'super-specialists' to be teaching.....more important is the ability to take a good history and perform a good physical examination.....something any good doctor should be able to do....

the level of knowledge required at graduation is broad, but shallow....housemanship will consolidate the knowledge.....this wide spectrum of knowledge should stay with the doctor for life.....

only when the doctor enters a post graduate training programme, will a deeper level of knowledge be required, based on the area of specialisation....

with years of practice in a speciality, it is inevitable that the specialist will forget much of the knowledge in other fields....and a situation may exist, where a super-specialist will be a world expert in his area, but have problem diagnosing common pro9blems....

Ignorance is bliss

we have pathologists teaching us most of the paths and path tuts too. occasionally clinicians come in to teach the path stuff, but that's more during the clin years like end of 2nd and starting of 3rd years. So far i havent really seen super-specialists teaching us yet though

somehow i feel that we have lots of endocrinologists here =/ haha. but they also take roles in gen med teams so they know their stuffs, and they are all very awesome clinicians

exams soon though all the best for those taking exams soon too.

Exam on Monday Lucky only 1 paper - 3hours

Ah! The awesome truth!

"You're not special"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/high-s...-145709954.html

In my opinion, medical students should be taught mainly by specialist, occasionally subspecialist. This is due to what we should know is broad, any subspeciality training will narrow their scope, hence missing some part of other discipline.

About pre-clinical years, i think it will be better if clinician or lecturers with clinical experience to teach, as sometimes microbiologist/ immunologist emphasizes on different path as to a clinician. E.g: we were taught details about E.coli, but didnt know which site of infection will get it, not until we were scolded by a clinician in the hospital.

i am unsure what is meant here....shouldn't general topics than be taught by generalist rather than specialists?.....

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Added on June 9, 2012, 11:36 amit is of course always better that all teaching be done by clinicians....but few med schools have this luxury....

non-clinicians do have a different focus in the basic sciences, but the syllabus should have the relevant info available....in the case of this example, in addition to the microbiology information about e-coli, the usual sites of infection should be also listed.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jun 9 2012, 11:36 AM