We are talking about rune combinations here bro lol, and also complicated skill tree, gameplay is much more harder > D3.

oh yes googling for rune combinations and cookie cutter builds is really challenging. in diablo 3 i actually have to think what combination of skills to use for different situations instead of spamming the same skill my build is currently specced to. real hard walking around to see your enemy froze and die as a druid. i dont even have to click the enemy to kill them. i have to actually manage my resource generation by mixing skills that generate them and skills that spends them. i dont have to do that in diablo 2. i just hook up a line from the belt and guzzle my potions to spam all my way to victory. much more harder? really?

Runes were only include on D2:LOD, you can complaint that after D3:EXP out.

i might want to add, whats "hard" in diablo 2 is not the gameplay itself. it's the process of preparing your character before you actually play the game. diablo 3 put more focus in playing the game itself. while stats and skill tree is not actually gone entirely. it's just presented in a different form.

This thread is so golden. Let me just left this here. Taken from - people hated Diablo II at launch as well

So much win in one post. In summary, people are unhappy because d3 is not a d2 clone

Blizz should do the remake version for D2, make those whiners happy

i really feel like farking up blizzard. This game is so damm immature and ala casual style. They did this to complement with the young kids nowadays to meet their demands. How bout our experience during D2? Totally ignored. They took the team from WoW and developed D3. Its so fking similar as i played WoW before. I thought D3 could revoked the old feelings but mana tau, its only a WoW single player. No aspect that i can see in this game is on par with a release in 2012 nor have a privillege to carry the name of "Diablo"

I've read the critics reviews on Metacritic, and then nearly a hundred or so user reviews. The contrast is mighty huge.

I noticed something very eerie - the critics reviews does dwell on the flaws that the low rated comments from users have given BUT they are almost too afraid to give it a bad score.

Personally I feel the good scores from critics are due to how everything has been overhyped. After all, it has been a 10 year wait... how not to give it a bad score.

If this is a trend of future gaming, then it is really sad. One user feedback "If it ain't broken, don't fix it. Having spent years playing D1 and D2, why can't I feel the same for D3?"

I love the game..u dont like? fine..go play other games. I dont mind

I hope you people realise that the game design is lead by Jay Wilson. He is not known for making carbon copies of previous games, but he loves to change pretty much all the mechanics in a game. Also, its not the WoW team who made this game, but the influence is certainly there.

He turned RTS conventional designs upside down with Dawn of War 1 at Relic, with emphasis on map control, squad system, cover and morale system. Then, a few years later, he changed the RTS formula entirely again with Company of Heroes by adding features like destructible environments, directional armor for tanks, command tree, even more emphasis on map control and so on.

Due to Jay's previous work on Relic, i never expected that Diablo 3 will be exactly the same as Diablo 2. He likes to change things around, a lot, by removing some of the defining features of a ARPG like stats allocation and skill points. As far as i know, Jay Wilson wants to innovate the genre, not keeping the ARPG stale like how boring most MMO are these days. Also, in my opinion, this is a very healthy sign for the ARPG genre, as pretty much all major ARPG developers are trying to break away from the old design.

With my 20 hours of playtime in Diablo 3, i say, he did a pretty good job.Most changes like the "stupid" skill unlock tree or no stats allocation has been pretty good changes for me so far, even though it seem a bit dumb downed on paper. In practise, it works very well, at least for me. I have also enjoyed the art style, which looks whole lot like a faded watercolor paint drawing, while the atmosphere is awesome. I'll take back the complaint on the art style is not gritty or Diablo enough.

I still have my criticism on the game, namely the Always Online shit with lots of sugar coating. It's annoying. In addition to that, i felt that the game does have some serious problem, especially in terms of longevity as the Jeweler and Blacksmith could not offer enough depth and longevity as Diablo 2's gambling system or how the archaic skill system. Something is missing here, but i dont know how to fix it.

If you are really disappointed with Diablo 3, buy Torchlight 2 then because the game feels hell lot more like Diablo 2 than Diablo 3 to Diablo 2. And the game is made by some of the founders of Blizzard North/ Condor Games. The pet and skill system is pretty amazing too, as far as i can tell in the beta.

Or just wait for Grim Dawn, if you want some really difficult ARPG game, with some new innovations like faction system, open world design like Skyrim and unforgiving gameplay.

I pretty much pre-ordered/ bought all 3 of them, because each of the game offer something radically different on the table.

So... Just out of curiousity. Would you WHINE if they created a game that are exactly the same as D2?

E.G: Same style. Same character. Same Gameplay. Same System.

Essentially, I would say, they only added new map.

WILL you buy it then? Or whine that there is no improvement?

hi, being waiting for your post in this subforum. too busy with D3?

btw, your comments

just like i felt when fallout 3 came. it was a complete sadness for me. i always expect they will maintain the gameplay style. lucky blizzard didnt change diablo style like WOW or fallout 3. im enjoying this kind of graphic n view. a cure to sadness of fallout

My 2 cents. I have not played WoW before and so I do no understand the nature of that game. I have however played Diablo 2 for many many years and made many casual PvM/hack&slash characters, and I've enjoyed the experience thoroughly.

Like everyone else I was hyped to play Diablo 3 and I was not disappointed. Gone were the days of the rigid build and/or cookie cutters where skills can be mixed and matched and stats can be reallocated through items. This essentially shifts the focus of the game more onto the experience, if you don't like it, you can always mix it up. This places more emphasis on gameplay strategy especially with potion cooldown.

The inability to play the game without an internet connection is disappointing. I'm sure the devs have their reasons for this, but at the same time having the game online makes it more intuitive. I guess AH is made as a replacement to gamling ala D2 and it still needs a little improvement, however I do not feel that is a dealbreaker to me.

Playing D3 with friends online have been fun, and I can definitely see myself playing this for the next couple years!

Naturally I can't offer any constructive views on the game as I've yet to play it, but from visiting various forums and watching countless gameplay videos on YouTube, I can safely conclude that it's not the game I want. You can say all you want that it's not Diablo 2 2.0, but it's the unfortunate truth that that's what most of us Diablo fans want. And again sadly, I now know why Call of Duty sells well even if it's just the same iteration every year, they can't afford to lose customers by risking too many design changes, but I digress.

Sure I'll be playing the game, I never miss playing big releases of the year, but what would it prove when you have this RPG that is a shadow of it's former self (again, entirely my own opinion) when I can get Torchlight 2 AND Grim Dawn, of which advertised since the get go to scratch that Diablo itch Diablo 3 would never do, for two thirds of D3's price, MINUS the always online DRM?

This post has been edited by dis0rd3h: May 20 2012, 01:11 PM

seriously, never heard of that lol

driver crash, maybe?

but that's pc problem, not the game.

okay...so it's blizzard fault then?

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Added on May 20, 2012, 1:23 pmagreeeee sooooooooo much so much



This post has been edited by samlee860407: May 20 2012, 01:23 PM

GC manufacturer's problem.