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sandvillage
post Nov 21 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 21 2012, 03:53 PM)
Imho WD has the most diversified builds possible to suit any occasion. I'm no expert but just to share my own experience and my personal builds which i find useful so far in my time playing my WD. My build revolves around switching my weapons (a socketed Echoing Fury for highest dps doing solo high mp key run, a socketed Sun Keeper for max MF doing solo xp/item run on mp0-3 & finally a 14.4& chance to freeze Azurewrath for uber runs @ high mp coop games). My other gears remians unchanged iwth the exception of my rings (hellfire when doing xp/item runs & Unity when doing ubers @ high mp games). I will briefly try to lay out my build and the reasons for choosing each skills.

1st of all i like to point out WD benefits more from LoH as compared to LS. Unless you're using 2-h wpn setup, 3% max LS on 1h-wpn wont be enough to mitigate RD on high mp games (try unleash your bears on RD elites when youre max buffed with SH & GF bonus and see how fast u die .. lolz). And we all know how much a high dps Skorn with LS can cost do we? So my builds will focus on 1-h + mojo setup. I prefer to stack LoH on other gears rather than the weapon itself bcos i will still hv LoH even when i switch weapon. My current LoH comes from pants, rings & ammy for a total of 1k LoH and its more than enough for any situation.

Build 1 (weapon=socketed echoing fury 1.1k dps; Total dps=110k)

Build 2 (weapon=14.4%Chance to Freeze 8xx dps Azurewrath; Total dps=60k)

Build 3 (weapon=socketed Sun Keeper 1k dps with 43%MF; Total Dps=93k)


For solo play i choose Templar for my helper (some mana regen from him) & most importantly Templar can tank like a champ (equip him with an Azurewrath & Stormshield .. relic n jewelry stack vita .. chance to block relic also very nice).
Give it a try and i would appreciate any feedbacks so i can further improve/tweak my own build.
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great info... basically my solo playstyle is almost the same like urs... aside from LoH... serious I think I need to try doing some LoH thing and drop the CC... and for UBER my Monk fren force me to BBV him make him 470k dps =.= that all he need from me lol

Maybe try playing LoH and Mana spec... and reskill with Hex instead of Zombie Dog

Ur info really great appreciate it XD

This post has been edited by sandvillage: Nov 21 2012, 05:19 PM
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post Nov 21 2012, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 21 2012, 05:13 PM)
great info... basically my solo playstyle is almost the same like urs... aside from LoH... serious I think I need to try doing some LoH thing and drop the CC... and for UBER my Monk fren force me to BBV him make him 470k dps =.= that all he need from me lol

Maybe try playing LoH and Mana spec... and reskill with Hex instead of Zombie Dog

Ur info really great appreciate it XD
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Glad u find it helpful. CC is good when u hv high CD (an open socket wpn with a high base CD roll is needed ... will cost u a lot tho). Ias imho is wasted on WD if your main damage dealer is Bears.. as higher ias mean u will OOM faster when spamming bears.
On the other hand LoH i think is a "must have" on any WD builds. Think of it this way .. your primary attack skill (RoT or any 1 of your choice as health generator .. mana regen too if u use Poison Dart/Spine Dart) & secondary attack skill (Bears) as the damage dealer. In WD case mana = damage so how u manage your mana is very important. On a lower level farming (for xp @ item) having a larger mana pool is better (bcos u wont run out of mana b4 all enemy is dead) BUT on higher MP level ... mana regen will start to shine. I use an open socket rare helm with intel + vita + max mana + 6% CC for low lvl farming & switch to my Zuni Vision on high lvl mp games for the 20 regen.

I've tried using BBV during ubers b4 and find the long CD to be a hindrance... and BBV/SD being a stick totem that doesnt move, it only helps when the target is not moving n stays within the AoE of BBV. Hex/Jinx on the other hand has lower CD time plus its a moving shaman that follows u around.. so as long as u stay close to a target (lets say ZK), the target will keep getting hexed. If u feel u need zdog as xtra tanker/take aggro, try the Circle of Life passive (as long as u kill mobs u will hv zdog). Most build ive come across will use Circle of Life + Sacrifice/Pride .. its a good synergy considering that the zdog will become suicide bomber that deal huge dmg + pride gives u back mana.

I am repeating the same advice i gave b4 on an earlier post regarding LoH gearing:
Pants - Blackthorne Jousting Mail
Ring - Unity
Ammy - Ouroboros

This post has been edited by Gecko: Nov 21 2012, 06:00 PM
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post Nov 22 2012, 12:10 PM

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Guys, how to increase my WD damage to reach 100k?

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post Nov 22 2012, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(and85rew @ Nov 22 2012, 12:10 PM)
Guys, how to increase my WD damage to reach 100k?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/kelThuz...4/hero/28593821
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1- change weapon to preferably "black" wpn (no elemntal damage, just physical dmg) as it will benefit most from %to poison dmg from Zuni Boots. If u hv mana probem find an open socket ceremonial knife with base critical hit damage roll of 80% n above. Another alternative is the legendary mace Echoing Fury (Fury being a fast wpn make it suitable for your primary attack Ghost Bomb ... and Fury is a "black" wpn too.
2- get more critical hit chance from your gears: zuni helm n zuni ring with cc is pretty expensive so best option for u now is to find a rare ammy with cc @ cheaper option is to get the legendary Ouroboros ammy (intel/vit/LoH/CC/avg dmg).
3- change your mojo to another with higher avg dmg (200 n above) with higher CC.
4- change belt to Witching Hour ... ias n chd from WH will boost your dps considerably. WH can be a bit pricey if hv good roll on it (vita/ar). I have an unused WH (100 intel + 7 pickup radius + default stats such as ias/chd). If u can get some more pickup radius from other gears u can opt to not use ToTD mojo and go for Ukhapian Serpent for more dmg.

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post Nov 22 2012, 01:40 PM

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^ gecko, in short, he need many many golds...

like me stucked coz low gold... tongue.gif


Added on November 22, 2012, 3:27 pmand owww yes... since i cant afford a manajuma's carving knife with soc... so i replaced it with a better one...

now my dps 104k liao... http://d3up.com/b/62396

+1 Primary Stat 32.68
+1% Crit Hit 1,626.12
+1% Crit Hit Dmg 164.97
+1 Minimum Dmg 59.09
+1 Maximum Dmg 59.09
+1% Attack Speed 908.25
+1% Elemental Damage 520.83

hmm... more CC needed...

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post Nov 22 2012, 08:55 PM

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huhu..that will be costly...TTTT
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post Nov 23 2012, 03:49 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 22 2012, 01:09 PM)
1- change weapon to preferably "black" wpn (no elemntal damage, just physical dmg) as it will benefit most from %to poison dmg from Zuni Boots. If u hv mana probem find an open socket ceremonial knife with base critical hit damage roll of 80% n above. Another alternative is the legendary mace Echoing Fury (Fury being a fast wpn make it suitable for your primary attack Ghost Bomb ... and Fury is a "black" wpn too.
2- get more critical hit chance from your gears: zuni helm n zuni ring with cc is pretty expensive so best option for u now is to find a rare ammy with cc @ cheaper option is to get the legendary Ouroboros ammy (intel/vit/LoH/CC/avg dmg).
3- change your mojo to another with higher avg dmg (200 n above) with higher CC.
4- change belt to Witching Hour ... ias n chd from WH will boost your dps considerably. WH can be a bit pricey if hv good roll on it (vita/ar). I have an unused WH (100 intel + 7 pickup radius + default stats such as ias/chd). If u can get some more pickup radius from other gears u can opt to not use ToTD mojo and go for Ukhapian Serpent for more dmg.
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How much is your witching lol interested to know the price only hahaha...

Get your advice updated my gear to LoH gear +1.2k LoH and 2.9 Life Steal, crap really made the different able to withstand 2 Arcane and Molten XD

And even can tank RD Elites now XD especially Tremor and Phasing Beastwalk or something like that in Act 3 XD

While still maintaining above 40% CC and 250% CD and 50k HP and 750 AR XD and around 100k DPS

Now aiming better weapon, still browsing Echoing Fury, but quite pricy with slot CD Life Steal and average damage above 600 ><


Btw I still maintaining my skill.... Tried he Hex and Grave Injustice... Hex just somehow tak biasa to tekan lol and Grave Injustice need a good ToTD else really no point

Instead of VQ now I using Spiritual Atunement, Mana Pool reach 1k and regen per second also more smile.gif

As for uber replace with Hex and Azurewrath and Bad Medicine is a really good idea, manage to tank and support for my team

This post has been edited by sandvillage: Nov 23 2012, 03:56 AM
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post Nov 23 2012, 04:38 AM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 23 2012, 03:49 AM)
How much is your witching lol interested to know the price only hahaha...

Get your advice updated my gear to LoH gear +1.2k LoH and 2.9 Life Steal, crap really made the different able to withstand 2 Arcane and Molten XD

And even can tank RD Elites now XD especially Tremor and Phasing Beastwalk or something like that in Act 3 XD

While still maintaining above 40% CC and 250% CD and 50k HP and 750 AR XD and around 100k DPS

Now aiming better weapon, still browsing Echoing Fury, but quite pricy with slot CD Life Steal and  average damage above 600 ><
Btw I still maintaining my skill.... Tried he Hex and Grave Injustice... Hex just somehow tak biasa to tekan lol and Grave Injustice need a good ToTD else really no point

Instead of VQ now I using Spiritual Atunement, Mana Pool reach 1k and regen per second also more smile.gif

As for uber replace with Hex and Azurewrath and Bad Medicine is a really good idea, manage to tank and support for my team
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I rarely put legendary items for sale in GAH as i prefer to trade/sell directly to friends bcos its a win-win situation for both parties (usually i just put up rares i found during farming in GAH). If u r really interested in the Witching Hour, i am willing to let it go at a reasonable price (20-30% off market price ... try to check the AH 1st for a WH with such stats ... use 100 intel & 7 pickup radius as filter). I was toying with the idea of using it on my WD and ditch the ToTD and go for an Ukh (i already have 13 pickup radius w/out ToTD .. gloves + bracers). The current WH i'm using can be sold at a higher price since it has a vit + AR roll.

LoH really make a big difference does it? If u can withstand few hits u dont need to worry bcos as long u have mana, u can leech back health very fast.

Getting an EF with base cd roll + open socket + LS can be very expensive... just get one with base cd roll + open socket + maybe intel & vit (even with 3% max LS wont be enough to counter RD at higher mp if u use bears.. u will end up killing urself spamming bears on RD lolz). My current EF has only OS + intel + vit 1.1k dps (sniped it at arnd 7-8 mil). I still hv my previous EF with 1093 dps + 154 intel + 184 vit + 2.8% LS in my stash if u want to try it out and see if the LS can enable u to spam bears on RD (ive tried and died most of the time when i forgot to stop spamming after SW duration is over).

I find Blood Ritual passive shines the most especially if u use a lot of high mana cost spells. 15% less mana for the price of health (u can get the health back easily using LoH). But if u hv a small mana pool, i guess SA would be a better choice.

Bad Medicine > Jungle Fortitude as it benefits the whole party as long as ur attack is poison-based (even ur pets can trigger BM, Zdog/Rabid @ Garg/Big Stinker)

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post Nov 23 2012, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 04:38 AM)
I rarely put legendary items for sale in GAH as i prefer to trade/sell directly to friends bcos its a win-win situation for both parties (usually i just put up rares i found during farming in GAH). If u r really interested in the Witching Hour, i am willing to let it go at a reasonable price (20-30% off market price ... try to check the AH 1st for a WH with such stats ... use 100 intel & 7 pickup radius as filter). I was toying with the idea of using it on my WD and ditch the ToTD and go for an Ukh (i already have 13 pickup radius w/out ToTD .. gloves + bracers). The current WH i'm using can be sold at a higher price since it has a vit + AR roll.

LoH really make a big difference does it? If u can withstand few hits u dont need to worry bcos as long u have mana, u can leech back health very fast.

Getting an EF with base cd roll + open socket + LS can be very expensive... just get one with base cd roll + open socket + maybe intel & vit (even with 3% max LS wont be enough to counter RD at higher mp if u use bears.. u will end up killing urself spamming bears on RD lolz). My current EF has only OS + intel + vit 1.1k dps (sniped it at arnd 7-8 mil). I still hv my previous EF with 1093 dps + 154 intel + 184 vit + 2.8% LS in my stash if u want to try it out and see if the LS can enable u to spam bears on RD (ive tried and died most of the time when i forgot to stop spamming after SW duration is over).

I find Blood Ritual passive shines the most especially if u use a lot of high mana cost spells. 15% less mana for the price of health (u can get the health back easily using LoH). But if u hv a small mana pool, i guess SA would be a better choice.

Bad Medicine > Jungle Fortitude as it benefits the whole party as long as ur attack is poison-based (even ur pets can trigger BM, Zdog/Rabid @ Garg/Big Stinker)
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oh, your WH is not good roll with low stat? Then I think my current Blackthrone Belt is better I think got around 160+ INT with VIT bonus

Ya i tried looking on perfect stat EC still almost the same as mine but higher DPS... i still thinking if i should spend another few mil jus to increase some dps but drop my LS 2.9% but if like u said dropping LS increase in VIT can be a neutral situation since i already have LoH...

Yup spamming bear on RD elite with LS is memang not enough... i normally press 2 or 3 times then RoT then spam back bear again.... depending on situation...

SA or BR i think will almost be the same... the choice is based on how you spam your skill that is my humble opinion...

Yup notice on the BM and JF depend party or not I will replace gruesome feast with BM for Uber... else i don think will be using either 1... as my setup already have my dog with 10% damage reduction
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post Nov 23 2012, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 23 2012, 07:55 AM)
oh, your WH is not good roll with low stat? Then I think my current Blackthrone Belt is better I think got around 160+ INT with VIT bonus

Ya i tried looking on perfect stat EC still almost the same as mine but higher DPS... i still thinking if i should spend another few mil jus to increase some dps but drop my LS 2.9% but if like u said dropping LS increase in VIT can be a neutral situation since i already have LoH...

Yup spamming bear on RD elite with LS is memang not enough... i normally press 2 or 3 times then RoT then spam back bear again.... depending on situation...

SA or BR i think will almost be the same... the choice is based on how you spam your skill that is my humble opinion...

Yup notice on the BM and JF depend party or not I will replace gruesome feast with BM for Uber... else i don think will be using either 1... as my setup already have my dog with 10% damage reduction
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Its not a bad roll either smile.gif

The stats:
303 armor (99% perfect, 305 being the max)
100 intel (100% perfect unless u get a 2nd intel roll from the 3 random rolls)
9% ias (100% perfect)
38% CHD (76% perfect, 50% CHD being the max)
Out of the 3 random rolls, the pickup radius is a good roll.
+7 pickup radius
+39 Lightning Resist (not too bad as it helps with LE Elites)
+19% Gold Find (xtra gold when farming is always nice)

My current witching is better as it has AR & Vita:
300 armor
99 intel
9% ias
35% CHD
Random rolls:
122 vita (very hard to find on witching & can be super expensive)
+31 All Resist (again another sought after stat on witching)
56 str (the only "bad" roll altho its not wasted as str=armor)

Comparing the 2 belts, the 1st one will give more dps (more CHD) but less EHP. However the pickup radius can give me option not to use ToTD and i'm sure the 2nd belt will be easier to sell at a high price.

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post Nov 23 2012, 09:38 AM

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latest update...

very tiring man... to maintain balance build...

i don't think there is cheap Manajuma's Carving Knife with Soc available out there... fuh!!! sad.gif

+1 Primary Stat 32.94
+1% Crit Hit 1,664.97
+1% Crit Hit Dmg 171.93
+1 Minimum Dmg 60.96
+1 Maximum Dmg 60.96
+1% Attack Speed 937.19
+1% Elemental Damage 537.48

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