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sandvillage
post Nov 21 2012, 12:46 PM

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Hi guys, wanted to join the discussion here smile.gif

Wanted to browse you guys build but, I cant browse the 80 pages here and in first page I coulnt find too lol...

Can share your build? My BattleTag Valez87#6106

I think my skill is missing something, my playstyle is 'killing Elites' faster type... I think I missing something in my build but cant think what to alter ar.... Pros can advice ar? haha

Basically here are the reason for my build

1. Zombie Dogs - Life Links
- This can have additional tank and indirectly you have a 10% of damage reduction passive
- Personal opinion to put Life Leech Zombie Dog - since it is sharing with 3 Dogs and yourself on 50% damage done, is this better or damage reduction better? Based on my humble experience, I cant see much life leeching done to my HP ><

2. Soul Harvest - Vengeful Spirit
- As skill descibe can boost your DPS tongue.gif my favourite skill
- As for the rune, if your DPS is high enought the damage is actually quite high, my experience on life steal rune is not that good as you don't really have much different if averagin you only able to harvest 3 enemies which is only around 6k HP

3. Spirit Walk - Healing Journey
- Self describe mandotary lari skill to heal - depend on your playstyle any rune is OK

4. Zombie Charger - Zombie Bear
- Personal playstyle - my damage dealer skill to Elite and Crowd
- Thinking if this can be replace with any other skill, cuz sometimes I dont like the delay when killing fast Elite. Any advice?

5. Plague of Toads - Rain of Toads
- Previously was using Firebomb cant recall the rune name the final 1 that have large AOE, after reading the post here someone is saying lazy playstyle and notice on the remarkable Life Steal / LoH rate, I somehow change to this
- If possible is there any other build to combo aside Toad and Bear?

6. Gargantua - Bruiser
- Self describe - Needed for tanker and stunner

I am not sure if anyone see Gargantua / Zombie Dogs is at least a 1 of the must have skill as tanker... Opinion guys?

Passive - Really need advice on this

Pierce of Veil - Increase at lease 20K dps without it I dont know if it is possible to get higher DPS
Gruesome Feast - The bonus INT stack is very remarkable on your increase in DPS value
Vision Quest - Is this a must have skill? Cuz without it my regen is quiet slow (I feel this skill is eating up a slot) sigh


This post has been edited by sandvillage: Nov 21 2012, 01:02 PM
sandvillage
post Nov 21 2012, 02:12 PM

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Actually I have Zuni Vision (No CC) and Pox (Low Level)

And both Manajuma set Chicken no CC

I can boost my Mana regen and Mana per Kill and Max Mana

but my cric chance will drop below 40% = drop around 20k to 30k dps

I not sure if this is good... tonight try...


Added on November 21, 2012, 2:21 pmI got ToTD also.... er all quite low DPS cuz no CC...

If in my case... should I drop my DPS and increase in Max Mana and Regen?

Maybe can try see if can survive and kill also, as of now, yeah I can kill what I think myself is quite fast, MP5... but if there are 2 3 set Elite together, Mana consumption is really an issue here...

Btw if focus on Mana setup I can hit 1k Mana and 20+ Man regen persecond and 15 per kill....

Hmm I see you all didnt use Vision Quest also, I try replace with Grave Injustice

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sandvillage
post Nov 21 2012, 02:29 PM

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Ya I notice....

I wondering you did not have IAS, CC and CD...

How can you boost until 100k DPS? lol as for INT, I think I less around 300 compare to you only right? or maybe becuz ur paragon level is 50?

If I remove those, I can't hit 100k DPS.... hmm...

Should I drop my CC and get a cheaper 200 INT ring?

After change to Zuni full set I can hit around AR800 also no problem, true my Vision also got slot, after slot in I think can hit 60k HP...

Try reset and concentrate on MP tonight see how XD

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sandvillage
post Nov 21 2012, 02:54 PM

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@Untong

why say so ar??

Can kill quite fast ar.... a little mana consumption issue only if encounter 2 3 set Elite at one time

@Henry

Then how you boost until 100k DPS without IAS CC and CD ar hahaha

Startos's build also focus on Regen and Defense... you all no focus on CC maybe I should try play raw damage also and see how...


Added on November 21, 2012, 2:57 pm@Henry

Just checked your gear in detail....

Your amulet, pox, bracer and glove all got boost abit of IAS CC and CD, although you cant see in your stat, I think that can boost quite alot also....

Your CD is quite high, I think that is the case lol

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post Nov 21 2012, 03:18 PM

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Oh ya didnt forget base damage noob me lol...

Yaya I remember that but that will be my last thing to buy, paling expensive is weapon ><

If I drop my CD abit I can increase my CC to 50% lol
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post Nov 21 2012, 03:19 PM

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lol i cant browse those diablo page in opice ar... need depend on my slow iPhone lol so i got abit problem browse u all punya gear and see in detail... XD
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post Nov 21 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(untong @ Nov 21 2012, 03:42 PM)
@sandvillage

no offence...
i just tot dps 100k is for mp4,especially ur dps boosted mainly by Pierce of Viel, there is a trade off to mana~
mp5 is about 110-120k dps
but then witch doctor is special cox got a passive skill Gruesome Feast... so shud b is ok  smile.gif
my bad..

my suggestion is start from mojo..
ur current mojo average dmg is only 192.5...

if want to play Grave injustice aim ToTD with average dmg 230-240
if not go for Ukh Serpent(forgot spelling  tongue.gif ) can get you even higher dps~
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ya i notice that too... pierce of veil is a must for now...

and soul harvest with gruesome feast can boost to around 150k dps... so is ok to kill mp5...

ya i searching very expensive for now haha... but i think i will get pox first then only focus on mojo and weapon...

ToTD Ukhapian SoSkull and Manajuma also got but my current 1 increase more DPS lol... so tahan abit first and hunt money no choice
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post Nov 21 2012, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 21 2012, 03:53 PM)
Imho WD has the most diversified builds possible to suit any occasion. I'm no expert but just to share my own experience and my personal builds which i find useful so far in my time playing my WD. My build revolves around switching my weapons (a socketed Echoing Fury for highest dps doing solo high mp key run, a socketed Sun Keeper for max MF doing solo xp/item run on mp0-3 & finally a 14.4& chance to freeze Azurewrath for uber runs @ high mp coop games). My other gears remians unchanged iwth the exception of my rings (hellfire when doing xp/item runs & Unity when doing ubers @ high mp games). I will briefly try to lay out my build and the reasons for choosing each skills.

1st of all i like to point out WD benefits more from LoH as compared to LS. Unless you're using 2-h wpn setup, 3% max LS on 1h-wpn wont be enough to mitigate RD on high mp games (try unleash your bears on RD elites when youre max buffed with SH & GF bonus and see how fast u die .. lolz). And we all know how much a high dps Skorn with LS can cost do we? So my builds will focus on 1-h + mojo setup. I prefer to stack LoH on other gears rather than the weapon itself bcos i will still hv LoH even when i switch weapon. My current LoH comes from pants, rings & ammy for a total of 1k LoH and its more than enough for any situation.

Build 1 (weapon=socketed echoing fury 1.1k dps; Total dps=110k)

Build 2 (weapon=14.4%Chance to Freeze 8xx dps Azurewrath; Total dps=60k)

Build 3 (weapon=socketed Sun Keeper 1k dps with 43%MF; Total Dps=93k)


For solo play i choose Templar for my helper (some mana regen from him) & most importantly Templar can tank like a champ (equip him with an Azurewrath & Stormshield .. relic n jewelry stack vita .. chance to block relic also very nice).
Give it a try and i would appreciate any feedbacks so i can further improve/tweak my own build.
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great info... basically my solo playstyle is almost the same like urs... aside from LoH... serious I think I need to try doing some LoH thing and drop the CC... and for UBER my Monk fren force me to BBV him make him 470k dps =.= that all he need from me lol

Maybe try playing LoH and Mana spec... and reskill with Hex instead of Zombie Dog

Ur info really great appreciate it XD

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post Nov 23 2012, 03:49 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 22 2012, 01:09 PM)
1- change weapon to preferably "black" wpn (no elemntal damage, just physical dmg) as it will benefit most from %to poison dmg from Zuni Boots. If u hv mana probem find an open socket ceremonial knife with base critical hit damage roll of 80% n above. Another alternative is the legendary mace Echoing Fury (Fury being a fast wpn make it suitable for your primary attack Ghost Bomb ... and Fury is a "black" wpn too.
2- get more critical hit chance from your gears: zuni helm n zuni ring with cc is pretty expensive so best option for u now is to find a rare ammy with cc @ cheaper option is to get the legendary Ouroboros ammy (intel/vit/LoH/CC/avg dmg).
3- change your mojo to another with higher avg dmg (200 n above) with higher CC.
4- change belt to Witching Hour ... ias n chd from WH will boost your dps considerably. WH can be a bit pricey if hv good roll on it (vita/ar). I have an unused WH (100 intel + 7 pickup radius + default stats such as ias/chd). If u can get some more pickup radius from other gears u can opt to not use ToTD mojo and go for Ukhapian Serpent for more dmg.
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How much is your witching lol interested to know the price only hahaha...

Get your advice updated my gear to LoH gear +1.2k LoH and 2.9 Life Steal, crap really made the different able to withstand 2 Arcane and Molten XD

And even can tank RD Elites now XD especially Tremor and Phasing Beastwalk or something like that in Act 3 XD

While still maintaining above 40% CC and 250% CD and 50k HP and 750 AR XD and around 100k DPS

Now aiming better weapon, still browsing Echoing Fury, but quite pricy with slot CD Life Steal and average damage above 600 ><


Btw I still maintaining my skill.... Tried he Hex and Grave Injustice... Hex just somehow tak biasa to tekan lol and Grave Injustice need a good ToTD else really no point

Instead of VQ now I using Spiritual Atunement, Mana Pool reach 1k and regen per second also more smile.gif

As for uber replace with Hex and Azurewrath and Bad Medicine is a really good idea, manage to tank and support for my team

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post Nov 23 2012, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(Gecko @ Nov 23 2012, 04:38 AM)
I rarely put legendary items for sale in GAH as i prefer to trade/sell directly to friends bcos its a win-win situation for both parties (usually i just put up rares i found during farming in GAH). If u r really interested in the Witching Hour, i am willing to let it go at a reasonable price (20-30% off market price ... try to check the AH 1st for a WH with such stats ... use 100 intel & 7 pickup radius as filter). I was toying with the idea of using it on my WD and ditch the ToTD and go for an Ukh (i already have 13 pickup radius w/out ToTD .. gloves + bracers). The current WH i'm using can be sold at a higher price since it has a vit + AR roll.

LoH really make a big difference does it? If u can withstand few hits u dont need to worry bcos as long u have mana, u can leech back health very fast.

Getting an EF with base cd roll + open socket + LS can be very expensive... just get one with base cd roll + open socket + maybe intel & vit (even with 3% max LS wont be enough to counter RD at higher mp if u use bears.. u will end up killing urself spamming bears on RD lolz). My current EF has only OS + intel + vit 1.1k dps (sniped it at arnd 7-8 mil). I still hv my previous EF with 1093 dps + 154 intel + 184 vit + 2.8% LS in my stash if u want to try it out and see if the LS can enable u to spam bears on RD (ive tried and died most of the time when i forgot to stop spamming after SW duration is over).

I find Blood Ritual passive shines the most especially if u use a lot of high mana cost spells. 15% less mana for the price of health (u can get the health back easily using LoH). But if u hv a small mana pool, i guess SA would be a better choice.

Bad Medicine > Jungle Fortitude as it benefits the whole party as long as ur attack is poison-based (even ur pets can trigger BM, Zdog/Rabid @ Garg/Big Stinker)
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oh, your WH is not good roll with low stat? Then I think my current Blackthrone Belt is better I think got around 160+ INT with VIT bonus

Ya i tried looking on perfect stat EC still almost the same as mine but higher DPS... i still thinking if i should spend another few mil jus to increase some dps but drop my LS 2.9% but if like u said dropping LS increase in VIT can be a neutral situation since i already have LoH...

Yup spamming bear on RD elite with LS is memang not enough... i normally press 2 or 3 times then RoT then spam back bear again.... depending on situation...

SA or BR i think will almost be the same... the choice is based on how you spam your skill that is my humble opinion...

Yup notice on the BM and JF depend party or not I will replace gruesome feast with BM for Uber... else i don think will be using either 1... as my setup already have my dog with 10% damage reduction

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