I have a level 5 WD 😃
Witch Doctor Discussion, lets share our builds, guide & form-play
Witch Doctor Discussion, lets share our builds, guide & form-play
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Nov 21 2012, 01:05 PM
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146 posts Joined: Oct 2012 From: United Kingdom |
I have a level 5 WD 😃
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Nov 21 2012, 01:36 PM
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731 posts Joined: Apr 2005 From: KL, Malaysia |
QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 21 2012, 12:46 PM) Hi guys, wanted to join the discussion here I am thinking of taking out the dogs to replace with something else. Maybe Spirit Barrage or something else. Will probably test it outWanted to browse you guys build but, I cant browse the 80 pages here and in first page I coulnt find too lol... Can share your build? My BattleTag Valez87#6106 I think my skill is missing something, my playstyle is 'killing Elites' faster type... I think I missing something in my build but cant think what to alter ar.... Pros can advice ar? haha Basically here are the reason for my build 1. Zombie Dogs - Life Links - This can have additional tank and indirectly you have a 10% of damage reduction passive - Personal opinion to put Life Leech Zombie Dog - since it is sharing with 3 Dogs and yourself on 50% damage done, is this better or damage reduction better? Based on my humble experience, I cant see much life leeching done to my HP >< 2. Soul Harvest - Vengeful Spirit - As skill descibe can boost your DPS - As for the rune, if your DPS is high enought the damage is actually quite high, my experience on life steal rune is not that good as you don't really have much different if averagin you only able to harvest 3 enemies which is only around 6k HP 3. Spirit Walk - Healing Journey - Self describe mandotary lari skill to heal - depend on your playstyle any rune is OK 4. Zombie Charger - Zombie Bear - Personal playstyle - my damage dealer skill to Elite and Crowd - Thinking if this can be replace with any other skill, cuz sometimes I dont like the delay when killing fast Elite. Any advice? 5. Plague of Toads - Rain of Toads - Previously was using Firebomb cant recall the rune name the final 1 that have large AOE, after reading the post here someone is saying lazy playstyle and notice on the remarkable Life Steal / LoH rate, I somehow change to this - If possible is there any other build to combo aside Toad and Bear? 6. Gargantua - Bruiser - Self describe - Needed for tanker and stunner I am not sure if anyone see Gargantua / Zombie Dogs is at least a 1 of the must have skill as tanker... Opinion guys? Passive - Really need advice on this Pierce of Veil - Increase at lease 20K dps without it I dont know if it is possible to get higher DPS Gruesome Feast - The bonus INT stack is very remarkable on your increase in DPS value Vision Quest - Is this a must have skill? Cuz without it my regen is quiet slow (I feel this skill is eating up a slot) sigh Also your regen is slow because you don't have items that increase mana regen or max mana. You can check Henry's build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HenryLo...2/hero/13130048 Startos' build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/azucari...446/hero/988181 Or go to page 79/80 for more builds |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:11 PM
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4,336 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: BOLEHLand |
QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 21 2012, 12:46 PM) hmm, my build something like this only:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HenryLo...2/hero/13130048 depend on which MP u farming... if doing MP0~MP5, Ghost Bomb quite ok for me... but more than that, i will change to RoT... passive: spirit vessel - for 2nd life... pierce the veil - for more dps... gruesome feast - life globe give me more dps... as u can see my gears, max mana + mana regen + reduce bears mana cost... so can spam bears like a bawse in MP0~MP5... as per ur gears setup, i can see ur mana pool and regen quite not sufficient if to spam bears... but if u feel like u can kill mobs fast enuff, then u can change ur Vision Quest to Grave Injustice... the benefit of this passive - when mobs die within 8 yards, u regain 2% HP and Mana and 1 second skill cooldown... the range will increase if u have pickup radius gears... meaning, if u have TotD, the Grave Injustice will let u regain HP Mana Cooldown within 28 yards... try and let me know u like this passive or not... oh ya, i think i should compile active WD players battle tag profile and put on 1st page... |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:12 PM
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Actually I have Zuni Vision (No CC) and Pox (Low Level)
And both Manajuma set Chicken no CC I can boost my Mana regen and Mana per Kill and Max Mana but my cric chance will drop below 40% = drop around 20k to 30k dps I not sure if this is good... tonight try... Added on November 21, 2012, 2:21 pmI got ToTD also.... er all quite low DPS cuz no CC... If in my case... should I drop my DPS and increase in Max Mana and Regen? Maybe can try see if can survive and kill also, as of now, yeah I can kill what I think myself is quite fast, MP5... but if there are 2 3 set Elite together, Mana consumption is really an issue here... Btw if focus on Mana setup I can hit 1k Mana and 20+ Man regen persecond and 15 per kill.... Hmm I see you all didnt use Vision Quest also, I try replace with Grave Injustice This post has been edited by sandvillage: Nov 21 2012, 02:21 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:23 PM
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4,336 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: BOLEHLand |
QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 21 2012, 02:12 PM) Actually I have Zuni Vision (No CC) and Pox (Low Level) if u notice my gears, i don have cc on mask, no cc on mojo, no cc on rings... my cc 2x% and my cd only 2XX%...And both Manajuma set Chicken no CC I can boost my Mana regen and Mana per Kill and Max Mana but my cric chance will drop below 40% = drop around 20k to 30k dps I not sure if this is good... tonight try... it depends on play style... mine more to spam & survive, AR 8XX i got there... and HP i can change the Ruby to Amethyst if serious mode ON... i need more DPS... RAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Added on November 21, 2012, 2:26 pm QUOTE(sandvillage @ Nov 21 2012, 02:12 PM) Added on November 21, 2012, 2:21 pmI got ToTD also.... er all quite low DPS cuz no CC... If in my case... should I drop my DPS and increase in Max Mana and Regen? Maybe can try see if can survive and kill also, as of now, yeah I can kill what I think myself is quite fast, MP5... but if there are 2 3 set Elite together, Mana consumption is really an issue here... Btw if focus on Mana setup I can hit 1k Mana and 20+ Man regen persecond and 15 per kill.... Hmm I see you all didnt use Vision Quest also, I try replace with Grave Injustice the more mobs dies the faster ur hp mana regain and lesser cooldown on skill (spirit walk and soul harvest)... This post has been edited by HenryLow: Nov 21 2012, 02:26 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:29 PM
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22 posts Joined: Feb 2008 |
Ya I notice....
I wondering you did not have IAS, CC and CD... How can you boost until 100k DPS? lol as for INT, I think I less around 300 compare to you only right? or maybe becuz ur paragon level is 50? If I remove those, I can't hit 100k DPS.... hmm... Should I drop my CC and get a cheaper 200 INT ring? After change to Zuni full set I can hit around AR800 also no problem, true my Vision also got slot, after slot in I think can hit 60k HP... Try reset and concentrate on MP tonight see how XD This post has been edited by sandvillage: Nov 21 2012, 02:33 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:35 PM
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@sandvillage,
hard to believe your gear/setup can farm mp5... if you hv mana issue, you can try change your spirit walk to honered guest rune.. and you can consider pump armor too.. cox vitality setup generally more expensive than armor setup~ |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:43 PM
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4,336 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: BOLEHLand |
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^ err, i recalculated: plvl 0, dps = 95,706.71, int = 2,895 plvl 36, dps = 99,157.91, int = 3,003 plvl 53, dps = 100,787.64, int = 3,054 there only 1,629.73 dps diff from plvl 36 and plvl 53... so basically: +1 INT = 31.96 DPS +1% CC = 1,549.7 DPS +1% CD = 160.71 DPS +1% AS = 876.41 DPS i don think my INT give me much DPS ler... LOL This post has been edited by HenryLow: Nov 21 2012, 02:43 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 02:54 PM
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@Untong
why say so ar?? Can kill quite fast ar.... a little mana consumption issue only if encounter 2 3 set Elite at one time @Henry Then how you boost until 100k DPS without IAS CC and CD ar hahaha Startos's build also focus on Regen and Defense... you all no focus on CC maybe I should try play raw damage also and see how... Added on November 21, 2012, 2:57 pm@Henry Just checked your gear in detail.... Your amulet, pox, bracer and glove all got boost abit of IAS CC and CD, although you cant see in your stat, I think that can boost quite alot also.... Your CD is quite high, I think that is the case lol This post has been edited by sandvillage: Nov 21 2012, 02:57 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:03 PM
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4,336 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: BOLEHLand |
^ ur problem:
main hand and mojo ur weapon avg dmg only 502, mine 680, stratos 790 ur mojo avg dmg only 192.5, mine 218.5 (web profile no update yet), stratos 274 meaning ur base dmg not enough... try looking for higher avg dmg weapon and mojo... u will find ur dps huge improve... i am jealous ur cc and cd... Added on November 21, 2012, 3:10 pmoh my IAS only 15% (amulet and bracers), CC only 23% (amulet, gloves, bracers), CD only 220% (amulet, gloves, pox and weapon) compare with urs: IAS 15%, CC 40.5%, CD 244%... This post has been edited by HenryLow: Nov 21 2012, 03:10 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:14 PM
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20,901 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Miri, Sarawak |
My build i want it to be more balance actually.. enough resist + life regen + 100k dps enough for me..
The gear u see me using in my profile is nt my full gear yet.. i farm using tat helm and hellfire ring. dps hit 150k when i use my dps helm and dps ring.. XD |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(StratOS @ Nov 21 2012, 03:14 PM) My build i want it to be more balance actually.. enough resist +Â life regen +Â 100k dps enough for me.. i want ur gloves and belt... how much it cost???The gear u see me using in my profile is nt my full gear yet.. i farm using tat helm and hellfire ring. dps hit 150k when i use my dps helm and dps ring.. XD and with the int u got, US top 100 WD!!! This post has been edited by HenryLow: Nov 21 2012, 03:17 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:18 PM
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Oh ya didnt forget base damage noob me lol...
Yaya I remember that but that will be my last thing to buy, paling expensive is weapon >< If I drop my CD abit I can increase my CC to 50% lol |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:18 PM
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20,901 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Miri, Sarawak |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:19 PM
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lol i cant browse those diablo page in opice ar... need depend on my slow iPhone lol so i got abit problem browse u all punya gear and see in detail... XD
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Nov 21 2012, 03:27 PM
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Nov 21 2012, 03:42 PM
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@sandvillage
no offence... i just tot dps 100k is for mp4,especially ur dps boosted mainly by Pierce of Viel, there is a trade off to mana~ mp5 is about 110-120k dps but then witch doctor is special cox got a passive skill Gruesome Feast... so shud b is ok my bad.. my suggestion is start from mojo.. ur current mojo average dmg is only 192.5... if want to play Grave injustice aim ToTD with average dmg 230-240 if not go for Ukh Serpent(forgot spelling |
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Nov 21 2012, 03:53 PM
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Imho WD has the most diversified builds possible to suit any occasion. I'm no expert but just to share my own experience and my personal builds which i find useful so far in my time playing my WD. My build revolves around switching my weapons (a socketed Echoing Fury for highest dps doing solo high mp key run, a socketed Sun Keeper for max MF doing solo xp/item run on mp0-3 & finally a 14.4& chance to freeze Azurewrath for uber runs @ high mp coop games). My other gears remians unchanged iwth the exception of my rings (hellfire when doing xp/item runs & Unity when doing ubers @ high mp games). I will briefly try to lay out my build and the reasons for choosing each skills.
1st of all i like to point out WD benefits more from LoH as compared to LS. Unless you're using 2-h wpn setup, 3% max LS on 1h-wpn wont be enough to mitigate RD on high mp games (try unleash your bears on RD elites when youre max buffed with SH & GF bonus and see how fast u die .. lolz). And we all know how much a high dps Skorn with LS can cost do we? So my builds will focus on 1-h + mojo setup. I prefer to stack LoH on other gears rather than the weapon itself bcos i will still hv LoH even when i switch weapon. My current LoH comes from pants, rings & ammy for a total of 1k LoH and its more than enough for any situation. Build 1 (weapon=socketed echoing fury 1.1k dps; Total dps=110k) This build i use for high mp solo games (usually key runs on mp5-6 bcos sumtime the fear proc of fury irritates party members in coop games) Primary: RoT (fastest attack - insta hit due to no travel time, very high LoH proc to give u health & mitigate RD, can hit behind wall/obstacles etc) Secondary: Bears (highest damage available to WD .. nuff said) Skill 1: Spirit Walk/Honoured Guest (previously i used Jaunt but i find that HG gives u the much needed mana regen.. more explaination in playstyle) Skill 2: Hex/Jinx (a new found skill i cant life w/out now as it gives dps > 20% dmg to hexed target, a crowd control utility in dicey situation) Skill 3: Soul Harvest/Vengeful Spirit (dps booster + mini nuke from VS) Skill 4: Gargantuan/Bruiser (i choose Bruiser for the constant stun my garg does which helps to keep target in place to hit it with bears) Passives: Gruesome Feast (mana regen & dps from globes), Grave Injustice (life/mana regen + CD reduction), Pierce the Veil (dps boost) I only have 10 mana regen per/second (i dont use my zuni helm for the xtra 20 mana regen from set bonus) from ToTD + mana regen from GF/GI and i rarely oom unless against tough elites @ RD elites (RD not so much as i dont spam bears on RD). A high mana pool will help greatly (i get mine from ToTD & rare helm). Playstyle: I skip @ herd single/small number mobs into a larger pack .. once u hv/see a huge pack of mobs .. SW into middle of pack (approximately 1/3 in bcos ur bears will star coming from behind so to hv some mobs behind u will benefit this), hit hex (to hex some targets so that they get xtra 20% dmg from bears), hit SH (beng in middle of pack ensure u get 5 max target harvested for nice dps boost & VE give a mini nuke damage), unleash bears until u run out of mana (or u can save some mana .. u will still gain some mana back from the Honored Guest of SW). Bears will totally mow down if it was a white mob pack so u dont need to run back out into safety b4 SW duration is over but against Elites timing is key so that u still have ample time to get out to safety. Check ur dps sheet and u can see dat u hv gained 50-80% dps boost from SH & GF/GI combo .. your skills will also hv reduced CD so u can repeat this combo for next mob pack (SW, SH & hex having same CD time makes it perfect to chain this combo ... ive read some build utilising Horrify/Stalker which also useful > added armor + increase MS). Proceed to nxt pack of mobs and they will die much faster due to the increase of your dps. Repeat & Rinse. Special situation: against RD elites u need to opt a diff tactic, only use bears when SW is up.. spam RoT from "safe" places such as behind walls/obstacles (this is helpful against elite with !@#$% affix such as Arcane). Against Vortex @ Teleport (or those nasty Phasebeast who can teleport behind u) u might want to skip using Hex but only use it when u get vortexed @ the mob teleport next to u.. hex hv saved me many times in such situations. Extra tips: %Fear from Echoing Fury comes in very handy when u r about to get surrounded by mobs or when u r jailed. Using RoT and target closest mob to u will trigger fear and make it run away from u, so basically u can use this to your advantage by splitting tough mobs apart and focus to kill 1 by 1. Build 2 (weapon=14.4%Chance to Freeze 8xx dps Azurewrath; Total dps=60k) This build i mainly use for coop games doing Ubers @ key runs at high mp (unless theres already a perma-freeze CM wiz in party) and altho it has low dps it makes up for having a great crowd control by Freezing mobs regularly and almost "invincible" (from very low health to max in just few Acid Rain spam). Primary: Poison Dart/Spined Dart (for fast mana regen .. 29 mana per hit but u have to do some kiting/positioning as compared to using RoT) Secondary: Acid Cloud/Acid Rain (larger AoE = more ticks = more frozen mobs = more health gained from LoH procs.. also vry nice since u dont need to do precise aim compared to RoT). Skill 1: Spirit Walk/Honoured Guest (instead of using it to get into mobs in this build it used to kite @ get out of dicey situation such as arcane sentries, molten etc .. and ofc the mana regen) Skill 2: Hex/Jinx (same as above build but in the case of ubers .. u can solo ZK and keep him perma-hexed while your party members finish off SB .. your party members will love you for this as its also make killing any warden a piece of cake) Skill 3: Bears (i left out SH as i dont SW into mobs and my dps is alrdy low so having bears add another damage dealer skill) Skill 4: Gargantuan/Bruiser (same as above) Passives: Bad Medicine (enemy deal 20% less dmg will benefit your whole party ... since ur attack are mainly poison and DoT attack dis will be triggered most of the time) @ u can use Jungle Fortitude if u want to, Blood Ritual (ive tried VQ b4 but find BR is more beneficial when it comes to mana management .. u also get life regen which helps), Spirit Vessel for uber runs (2nd life) Circle of Life for just key runs (to get free 3 zdog without having summon zdog on skill set) Note: The highest amount of % Chance to Freeze can be obtained thru Azurewrath (15% max), The Star of Azkaranth (5% max) & Rare/Leg/Set belts (5% max ... witching hour with 5% is the best but good luck with that .. lolz). However from my own personal testing & play time i find that a high %FoH (12% n above) is enough to keep mobs frozen regularly (Acid Rain being a DoT make freeze occur more often.. even PD/SD triggers Freeze which i switch to when theres single target left. Playstyle: Basically u run around mobs while spamming acid rain (time the attacks few seconds apart) to keep mob packs frozen while your party member n garg dps. When you are oom, stop at a safe place to use PD/SD n gain back mana. SW is used to get out of sticky situation and Hex helps too. When only few targets left u can focus on 1 target and use PD/SD (alternating with AR few sec apart) while keep spamming bear (spam bear when the target is hexed gives best result). Build 3 (weapon=socketed Sun Keeper 1k dps with 43%MF; Total Dps=93k) More or less the same skill sets as Build 1 but with some changes in gears (hellfire with MF). Some ppl say dat MF is not so important @ doesnt affect drop so much but i beg to differ. From my own experience playing my 2 toons (WD n DH), in comparison my DH hardly get drops regularly (none in terms of sellable items above 10m) while my WD get drops regularly and so far have got few items worth over 50m each. The image of my stash below is the legs/sets i found in the past 2 days (only 10% of those came from my DH). For solo play i choose Templar for my helper (some mana regen from him) & most importantly Templar can tank like a champ (equip him with an Azurewrath & Stormshield .. relic n jewelry stack vita .. chance to block relic also very nice). Give it a try and i would appreciate any feedbacks so i can further improve/tweak my own build. This post has been edited by Gecko: Nov 21 2012, 04:22 PM |
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Nov 21 2012, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(untong @ Nov 21 2012, 03:42 PM) @sandvillage ya i notice that too... pierce of veil is a must for now...no offence... i just tot dps 100k is for mp4,especially ur dps boosted mainly by Pierce of Viel, there is a trade off to mana~ mp5 is about 110-120k dps but then witch doctor is special cox got a passive skill Gruesome Feast... so shud b is ok my bad.. my suggestion is start from mojo.. ur current mojo average dmg is only 192.5... if want to play Grave injustice aim ToTD with average dmg 230-240 if not go for Ukh Serpent(forgot spelling and soul harvest with gruesome feast can boost to around 150k dps... so is ok to kill mp5... ya i searching very expensive for now haha... but i think i will get pox first then only focus on mojo and weapon... ToTD Ukhapian SoSkull and Manajuma also got but my current 1 increase more DPS lol... so tahan abit first and hunt money no choice |
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Nov 21 2012, 04:23 PM
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20,901 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Miri, Sarawak |
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