I believe 3+2 is for early birds like me, even have to top-up to get it. Haha. So unfortunate of me, this is what I get by purchasing their flagship model at launch. Tsk tsk tsk

Competition is always good, now only the Jap doesnt offer 5 years warranty (Except for civic and city i think ), nowadays u dont really see that much Jap car on the road compared to 10 years ago.. Abundance of Ford/Peugeot/Kia/Hyundai/VW 

Oh I don't think they (Ford) would compromise on safety just to save a few bucks. It's not necessary to use thicker steel if they use better strength steel hence the thinness, and if it is indeed thinner.

And whether gimmicky or not, all these features was already present in the Mercedes Benz S class almost 10 years back so it's not new, it's just something that will eventually make way into all our future cars when it becomes viably cheap enough, lol!

While it is good to be patriotic, your statement carries both strong bias and unfairness towards the Thais, even if it isn't done on purpose, there's a very strong implication of it as well. They have a much bigger and more robust automotive market over there than here, so what makes you think they aren't able to produce a product that is as quality as the once made here but cheaper?

The Japanese having been producing quality cars in Thailand for so many years and it's also has to do with government business policies, scale of production and how much money they are willing to pump in to get the kind of quality that's expected. It's just like saying just because a product is made in China, it cannot be of any quality

They can always get a better deal in obtaining quality raw materials if they have the volume, it has always been that way and unlike semi-conductor, microchips assembly or biotechnology, car assembly is not a high tech field and does not require highly skilled workers so this isn't a problem for them. They can always maintain quality by adding more checks along the production line. It is the same with their local sourcing partners, they have to meet their quality standards or it will get rejected.

Btw, if Thai's can't produce the kind of quality as you have said, then our business man would not have setup his factories over there.
http://www.cbt.com.my/2012/09/29/rejected-...ss-in-thailand/

where is the 408t crash result?

As such , what is the rating for the 408T? Any better what you have highlighted in your video?

Hehehe.......for a moment I thought you have cooked your engine by pouring oil into your fuel tank or RON 97 into your engine!Glad it was just a misrepresentation. As for the brake judder,it could be defective tyres. It is possible you were unfortunate yours came from a bad batch. Check the tyre pressures first.

The brake disc are made of high tensile steel,unlike stainless steel, they are prone to rust. Stainless steel is too smooth and has poor brake action. The rust that you see on the disc is only surface rust which will brush away very quickly upon braking.  Under no circumstance let the SA oil the disc! This will lead to NO brake action!!!

Welcome bro,enjoy your ride!

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Added on December 25, 2012, 9:52 am
Bro kenso,now that you have divorced your Pug,is VW more satisfying?Btw good to see you come here once a while to give suggestions! I'm sure your years of Pug experience is valuable.

Following up on that thread... here's the C-NCAP page for 408.

http://www.c-ncap.org.cn/app/cncap/eng/pzs...g.jsp?pzid=2848

by the way guys, the peugeot club of malaysia is looking for someone who owns a 408 to be a rep for the 408 group in the club, anyone keen to sign on?

An interesting article about the new Camry:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-20/t...crash-test.html

Oh yes i am. Its just another safety award for the Optima. Did u know that the Optima got higher ratings than even the mighty BMW 5 Series in the American NHTSA safety analysis?

Hi Siva
No problem in doing high speeds before 1st inspection. Even the manual does not  give any 'break in' speed. These new engines are designed to run right away. Yes the car is so stable that is easy to do those speeds without realizing. On top of that,turbo is very additive,the more you push the she wants......hehehe! Even 200kmh comes on effortlessly! Truly a marvelous engine!

If the brake judder persist,have it inspected and update us. In the mean time check the pressures as a precaution. If the tyres are defective,you possibly could land into more problems with an over inflated tyre!

CNCAP is rather useless, they are much less strict than others. Can only compare with other CNCAP cars, and even then you don't know what happens at faster speeds.

nice key chain! but forget a abt it, my sa sure say NO to me.
remember the day i said my SA refuse claim the gps for me, said "i saw the mail from MANAGEMENT ur claim is rejected"
nvm, so i wrote a email to peugeot complaint abt it.
really appreciated they respond, i sent the email at 5PM++, the next day morning a customer service call me said they will investigate it and will get back to me before 6pm.
as promise she call me back at 5pm, told me i'm entitle for the claim and the gps was ready for collect since last week... but my sa said NO to me and the day is Thursday...
and she ask me no need do any thing, just wait, they will pass the gps to me before next tuesday else....... finally my sa bring the gps from kl to klang for me at sunday, a good service my sa done!

Good one bro,well done. My SA although nice fella,I think will save this for new customer.I bought my car 6 months ago!

no probs there. hmmm, now anyone else would like to represent the 408 owners?

http://m.facebook.com/peugeotmalaysia?__us..._user=612279829
As quoted from Peugeot. 408 body kit will be available first quarter of 2013

Free gift???
Lucky you. Mine bought via eBay.

go test a K5 or try having 1 over the weekend...

the engine and gearbox is so crude and un-refined. the throttle input is so laggy and the car needs time to get up to speed.
you cant just floor the throttle as the engine will make alot of racket up front and yet you are not going anywhere despite the racket...
(granted the one i have was the one with the theta-II engine, yet to be given a NU engine version)

the ride and handling is rubbish even when compared to the preve i had the week earlier...
body roll is so uncontrolled...
the steering is hydraulic but i cant feel the road... weird..
heck even the paddle shifters felt flimsy... when u look deeper, things like exposed subwoofer and mechanical parts in the trunk, tactility of the buttons comes to fore...

cant comment on the tyre noise as it is subjective because u can always change to a quieter tyres to lower the noise...
but the one i have is stock nexen with roughly about 20% used and boy the tyre is noisy..

apart from space, nope until they improve on it, this will not be recommended to my friends or family. this is precisely why camry is still selling so well despite sporting such a low spec...

personally, i find it the best way to drive the K5 is to slowly get it up to speed. this car is for u to take your time and enjoy the journey as the seats are truly supportive. just dont get anywhere in a hurry.

i am getting a 408 NA for use over the weekend in the coming weeks.
lets see how it goes.

Ya.... Around RM18.06 including postage. Took a week to arrived here. Cheers.

I find it funny how ppl actually love to compare against other luxurious makes using acceleration at traffic lights, etc to gauge their own car's performance. How do u even know that the driver's of those cars were actually pushing their cars hard in the first place? They could merely be cruising while you are throttling hard to keep up. Even i could sometimes overtake much bigger cars with my Vios on a straight sprint but does that put my car on par with them? Surely not.

The Passat CC would easily thrash the 408 NA with its extra 50Nm torque which is why its 0-100kmph sprint is almost 4 secs faster. What does that tell u? And how is it that being able to keep up with a car while travelling at a constant 150-160kmph any indication of performance? Even a Myvi can maintain that speed easily enough. 

In short, all im saying is that while i agree that the 408 is a good car we should refrain from using such yardsticks to measure performance. 

Thanks for pointing that out Jessy. My mistake. I didnt know. I thought 6 speeders was pretty normal these days for European makes. OK that explains the higher RPM.

Whats the RPM readings for the 408T?

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Added on December 30, 2012, 12:50 pm

U fully agree with her and yet she is talking about gearbox while u are talking about engines? 

And is it also kindergarten knowledge that when a car judders while braking, that means there is a tyre defect as you claimed before? Not sure which kindergarten u went to but i think the general knowledge is that when u have juddering during braking then its obviously due to something thats coming into contact with the brake pads. The tyres themselves dont come into contact with the brake pads rite? Or did your kindergarten teach u this as well?

Im glad u turned down the offer to represent the 408 owners here. Nasim would have walked all over you guys with you as a leader and your limited knowledge. If u want a good leader with decent knowledge about cars (even though he isnt driving a 408), then ask Sleepy. He drives a 508 but still should be a much better choice. Even EnergyAnalyst seems a decent enough guy to represent your group.

Leaders for such groups should not just be ppl with time on their hands. But most importantly must be ppl with strong technical knowledge about cars in general. Check out the K5 Facebook Fan Club page. The group of guys there know almost A-Z about the K5 even to the wiring details. They are even able to provide possible solutions to Naza Kia mechanics on problems. Many of them there are from professional backgrounds and some are quite senior as well. You need charisma, strong commitment, sound technical knowledge and the ability to argue technically and maturedly to deal with organisations like Naza, Nasim, etc or else ure just gonna get blown away.

Even as i speak, a group of them are on the way to Red Cube PJ to help a member whos K5 is stuck there with some poor repairs done. 1 of those members actually drove down from Penang solely for this purpose.

nasim's investment.