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halcyon27
post Dec 29 2014, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Dec 29 2014, 05:46 PM)
Went o Harvey Norman to ask

Ventilated is OUT cos need to break hole in Wall

Heat Pump cos 2x the price of condensor, will I ever recover the cost in energy savings

What are other advantage of heat pump over condenser

How much does each drying cycle cost in terms of electricity bill

Does it damage the clothes

Is the dryer still reliable after few years of usage
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This page has some of your questions answered. In summary heat pump condenser takes advantage of lower heat to dry clothes. Depending upon the model of the current heat pumps like Panasonic, Beko (just brought in) or Electrolux (by far the most popular at 9kg) or Bosch, they excel at low heat moisture extraction/drying vs vented (what you call tumble dryers - all dryers tumble dry btw). The great deal about them is lower running cost and shorter drying time.

Also it can be plugged in the same socket as a washer. 900W/230V gives close to 3.9A to 4.0A so long as the socket for the washer is rated at 15A.
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QUOTE(kslee79 @ Dec 31 2014, 12:15 AM)
I have a short question. For 8 kg capacity dryer (condenser type), Bosch unit that uses heat pump retails around RM4000, while Electrolux is only at RM2800. What gives? I mean, why is Bosch really worth that much more?
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Follow the link at post #47 of this thread to a discussion on WM thread that covers all current dryer technology and their pros and cons.

From post #1576 by idoblu there: Heat pump reuses the hot air whereas condensing dryers expels it.

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What's the rationale using comforter in humid tropical rainforest climate? Duvet/ quilt cover without the fillings is actually very appropriate here. The other type that works well here and which surprised me thoroughly are fleece blanket from Home Harmony ( initially mistaken for Akemi Uchi).

In actual fact, king sized duvet covers (no fillings) can be washed with even a 5.5 - 6kg washing machine with laundry balls. An 8kg can load that with bolster and two pillow cases and bed sheet.
With these, you don't need to invest in wide door washing machines which is more appropriate in snowy winter regions that employs thick duvet fillings which when rolled up in a whirl is not easily put in (much less taken out) esp if the tub mouth diameter is less than 40cm. The machine load to get is typically calculated to cater to number of adults and children for the next 7-10 years. A household with 4 adults and 2-3 growing children works well minimally with a 8kg but optimally 10kg washer assuming 4 loads weekly. The largest item is most likely the curtain drapes and that even a 5.5kg can wash one at a time. An 8kg can take two at once.

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QUOTE(kurique @ Dec 30 2016, 05:18 AM)
Yes i agreed 13kg is more than 10.5kg. But, it does not mean that 10.5kg is too small. 13kg or 10.5kg is not only dependent in drum size, but also capability of each washer dryer. If u notice drum size of each model is not same eventhough capacity is same. It is about technology.
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The comforter has filling and is rolled up like how farmers in US midwestern rolls up hay before loading into the washing machine.

Queen size comforters usually 70"*70" whilst king size is 90"*70". The drum size and the tub mouth opening width determines if this can be put in or not.

Hence top loaders naturally makes better choice in loading these sizes. If washing at the laundromat, usually they recommend using an XL washer. XL because of the larger then usual tub mouth opening diameter. As seen here.

Comforter/ quilt / duvet cover is the cotton cloth that is used to cover over the comforter. Most comforter here by right cannot remove cover, hence this cloth covers over much like how pillow case is used over pillows.

Which brings me back to my point above that our weather here suffice sleeping in just with the cover alone. If just using that, even a 5.5-6kg washer can wash even king sized.

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The discontinued LG CD1212W had the following dimensions:
(WxDxH,mm) 635 x 720 x 925

That qualifies it as an XL front load to wash a Queen size comforter.

Standard FL washer dimensions typically are 600 x 600 x 850


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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2016, 09:17 AM)
Actually if the drum size is 12kg or 10kg, it not really that size. Depend the design of the brand.

Have you notice that inside the drum have a few fin divide equal at the drum wall. This fin take away some capacity of the drum.

My LG combo the drum fin is pretty big size. Hence why the queen size comforter is "just" enough to fit in.

I m not sure do others brand have this fin inside the drum.

Another problem when you too compact the comforter inside the drum, can the water and detergent able to absorb into the fabric fast. Can the dirt be able to flow out? Can the washing efficiency wash ?
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All FL have that fins. The last point you mentioned is the most crucial of all. Do laundry balls like those Korean magic balls help?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 30 2016, 09:58 AM)
I choose this model because

1) it is the minimum size that able to wash queen size comforter.
2) it have Duvet function. Which tell me it have the prg to wash heavy thing.
3) I can't afford to buy a larger size. Combo is expensive. But cheaper than separate type.

Regarding choosing the LG brand reliable, It is the most use and prefer WM in US. I cannot find any data in local.

Since it last for 8yrs and still using, my ROI is already return.
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Indeed LG is a good brand and to have lasted so long it's a good thing. I know of a friend who's elderly couple parents uses Tromme 10.5/6kg washer dryer. Very quiet and it suits their purpose now that there's no maid and all the kids grown up and flew the coop.
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QUOTE(volrath @ Feb 16 2017, 11:32 AM)
@spreeeee

Hey, I thought to email the developer directly (SP Setia) yesterday and they got back to me this morning.

The Dryer Model is Dryer IDV75(UK) and warranty by Khind.

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http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/household-app...927504-pdt.html

http://www.indesit.co.uk/appliances_i/Drye...F074628UK/44.do

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Hope this helps!
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Brandi Italia. Known for their art decor Moon 6kg automatic washer. Hotpoint-Ariston is the premium sister company. You'd be surprised that many brands share same heating element component.

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QUOTE(ck_yoong @ Feb 17 2017, 07:12 AM)
I got a newly built house. Want to know to install dryer and washer, what is the inlet and outlet required?

I want to plan where to hack the wall
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Normally put in back of house where washing and drying yard would be. Cover it by reclaiming the backyard to shield it from the elements.

Inlet is standard 3/4" quarter turn bib for washing machine available at hardware stores.

For outlet, hack the wall and floor to install a 1.5" pipe no higher than 3" that drains out to the outside or connect to a small floor drain (needed for washing floors) that connects either to a manhole or outside the back drain. The vertical part of pipe exposed out of the wall must be 45° and should stick out 2". The 3" height allows flexibility of using top or front load. Top load prevalently cannot drain higher than 4" and rarely depending on models, 6". Front load usually is minimum 14" (40cm) but the pipes can be supported through the holder braces at the back of the washer to maintain that height.

Or buy an Ikea sink as a laundry sink. These comes with Atlant sink drain pipes which has two spigot for washing machine/ dishwasher waste. The cabinetry should make a hole for outlet pipe access to connect to the spigot. Note that going this route only allows for front load washers unless a dedicated drain pipe is installed as described above.

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QUOTE(ck_yoong @ Feb 18 2017, 06:17 AM)
Thanks for the info. How about dryer? Need additional pipe to transfer the hot air out of the machine?
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Vented dryer yes. Combo usually will use condenser and drain the condensate as you would in a normal washer. Heat pump and condensation dryer would have their own container or you ensure that the there's an extra drainage pipe to accommodate the dryer condensate waste. In the UK, McAlpine sells the following twin connector which you can add to the single 1.5" pipe that sticks out as how I describe. The twin connector allows 2 waste pipes to a single waste pipe but ensure the pipe installed is the right size.

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This post is very interesting in showing how a washer dryer is maintained.

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On a similar vein started by a comment in the washing machine thread that the Panasonic Cuble could not fit under a conventional kitchen countertop for space constraint dwelling, it's time to revisit the parameters fitment of washer dryer combo. At least from Electrolux and Beko, their manuals specifies a clearance of at least 20mm on top and at least 30mm on all other sides for it to breathe/ventilate. The back may require slightly more. Top plate cover are not removable and that's made intentional by recent washer dryer design whereas for washers, some models have removable top plates allowing it to fit under a 820mm countertop.

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Tetsuhito Fujiyama aka Mr Home appliance Laboratory: tips on cleaning washer dryer lint filter article. Tip: Use Chrome which auto translates the article.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 19 2017, 11:29 AM)
I believe all the dryer have the filter and need to be clean frequent after use the dryer.

But if it a combo, there is no filter to be clean.

The only filter I can think of is the drainer filter ?
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I think the Jap washer dryer combo still retains a lint filter compared to European styled ones. They have it at the top of the machine. I've never seen an article detailing methods and the types of brushes used until now with pictures too.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 19 2017, 11:39 AM)
I have been searching and read the manual if there any filter that need to be clean. But none.

So I think the lint is wash away by the water when next cycle WM is use. It don't need filter for combo.

But there is a youtube video that show how to clean the recycle hot air path if the drying time is longer. The lint block the moisture sensor after long time use.

Time for me to dismantle the WM and clean it up.
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How accessible is this airway and sensor?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 19 2017, 12:08 PM)
If not mistaken, have to open the top and behind the panel. Open the blower, duct and clean.

Not difficult for DIY. But not easy also for normal people.

Found the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA07FcQZORQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji-bH3BH58U
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Wow, seems like I would invest in a Jap style washer dryer hypothetically speaking. The Eurostyle W/D combos make it hard to maintain and in our climate, what are the chances of one failing especially hearing those Electrolux W/D combos in this forum? The clogging of the air way and sensor seems to be the main culprit. Where else? There's three areas at least I can think of that needs cleaning. Could be more. The air cowl on the top as disassembled, the air way (need to detach the bottom in order to hose down then blow dry) and the bottom part which should be very nasty to reach much less clean. Seems like the Jap has thought it through on making it maintenance friendly.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 19 2017, 12:47 PM)
In my actual situation and experience of 8yrs this combo type, I didn't done any maintenance so far.

So far there is no drying time drop.

No breakdown or any issue at all.

The only cleaning I do is the detergent dispenser, door rubber seal and the drainer filter.

Monthly is the tube cleaning. Which pour the Daiso WM soda in and press the tube clean mode.

Since it already 8yrs old, I guess it is time to dismantle and clean it. Not to stress it that far and wait till it breakdown.

Since youtube have the video (thanks to the youtube guy), that not difficult for me to dismantle it.
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Hmmm, there's a valid reason why your machine is still surviving besides the maintenance..The size of it vs a standard (WHD598x850x600) washer dryer. Your WD combo is bigger, taller and wider hence its airway could be larger too. Hence not easy to clog.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 19 2017, 01:13 PM)
Probably I didn't do much drying with the WM. Dryer is my 2nd choice while sun is 1st choice. I only use dryer when there is no sun, raining season, dry not through with the sun and busy weekend.

Beside that, we don't have much wool fabric type cloth or cool season cloth. Which have a lot of lint. Contribute to the clogging fast.

I don't have much experience when buying the combo that time. It is new here and guess not much people know about it. I only research it and get it base on the

1) popularity of the brand from the west country user. (they know best)
2) The bigger drum to reduce the machine stress on the mechanism. And able to wash the comforter. Also reduce the washing cycle per yrs. That contribute to the longer lifetime of the WM.
3) The dryer type that can save energy.
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Thks for sharing ozak! Really good insight and advice esp your maintenance protocol. Something else to think about now on the suitability of washer dryers now or even dryers for that matter.
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QUOTE(Darth Luq @ Sep 13 2017, 06:46 PM)
Guys, I'm in need of suggestions.

Currently am looking at
Panasonic NH-P80G2 @ RM3948
Electrolux EDC2086PDW @ RM3320

Both are 8kg.

What are your recommendations and why?
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Panasonic is inverter and drys at a lower temperature. The Electrolux does it come with a shoe rack?

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