There is no WM only can run on hot water in the market. Hot water is always an optional mode in WM.

For basic cheaper WM, probably just cold and hot water selectable. While the expensive 1 probably have cold, 30c, 60c, and 90c to choose for hot water. If you don't want run on hot water, just select cold water. That's it.

I only use hot water for bed sheet and comforter once a mth. The rest all run on cold water. And my bill is still low.

Don't worried about it. Have an extra hot water mode in WM is good.

Hi, can the gurus here provide a recommendation of a washer and dryer for a condo living. Also I presume condenser dryer is preferred for a condo living, considering some condo may not allow ducting to be created for the dryer?

I prefer the vented kind, much less trouble.
But it depends on where you plan to put it. If it is near a window (to the outside), you can always pass the flexible hose thru the window and have it vented outside. I dont think your condo management will mind.
You have a yard which is next to the AC Ledge, now if your dryer is near this half height wall, you can always hang the flexible hose outside and retrieve it once the job is done.
You dont need to drill any holes.

Oh and if you are short of space, you can buy the stacking kit to put the dryer on top of the washer

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 27 2014, 12:42 PM

Unless you're sole occupant, I won't recommend a combo but dedicated units.
Advantage: Parallel washing (2nd load) and drying.

Dryer - Panasonic dryer 8kg condenser heat pump with inverter
Advantage: -
1. 900W peak - rated by some agency at 1.67kW per run vs 2700W of conventional conndesing dryer
2. non-searing steam at less than boiling water temp (44-48deg low 70deg highest) so clothes not too damaged and also saves electricity.

Hitachi 8.0kg direct drive inverter washer. BD-W80MV-BK (Black Japan import model)
Advantage:
1. 15min rapid wash - 3 loads per suitcase of different material done under 1 hour.
2. Tub clean program to reduce mould growth inside of outer (non-stainless steel) drum that provides the water tight seal in the front loader.

Panasonic sells a stacking kit for their front load washers. If not you may try getting them online from Xavax (Europe) or Amazon Germany or UK with Xavax as the vendor. Xavax sells those aquastop hoses even if you want to convert any front loader inlet pipes to have this feature.

Thanks - so you're actually suggesting different model for the washer and dryer separately? BTW, is dryer a real good recommendation to dry up clothes? Won't want to damage my clothes in the long run. Also, if you have a choice, would you recommend the condenser or the ducted type?

This post has been edited by coo|dude: May 27 2014, 03:56 PM

It should be case by case as I wouldn't know how large a drying area you'd have, does it have a place where you can vent out the dry air if by vented dryer
If space is really constrained and for safety reasons stacking a dedicated washer and dryer is not feasible, a combo unit is ok but bearing in mind the limitations it can engender - long wash+ dry cycles, life span of rubber seals, etc.

Ideally separate dedicated units is best because if dryer konk, washing can still continue - so long as there's a workaround to air dry clothes.

A use case for a dryer is when there are constraints arising mainly from: no space to air dry.

As mentioned further up: vented is gen1, condensing gen 2, heat pump condenser gen3.

Vented dryers are cheap to own but expensive to run electrically. The added requirement is to have the vent hose go somewhere to vent out like mentioned above over the balcony. With vented dryers, inspect the wattage if it exceeds the amp supplied by the electrical point.

Older generation vented dryers consumption is such that a separate 15-20A point is required. The newer vented ones could be just around 2700-2800W. Condensing dryers only require 2700-2800 (13A) but heat pump condensing dryers only 900-1000W which means a dryer and washer could be run off a single 15A point.

Beko, Panasonic, Electrolux, Bosch, Miele (mee-ler) produces heat pump condensing types.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: May 27 2014, 08:06 PM

I really appreciate your responses and knowledge sharing. All the while I have been thinking that vented type is the way to go. I didn't realize that vented is now old school and heat pump condenser is the latest and greatest now. My place is yet to complete but from the layout, the wet kitchen does has a considerably large layout. My condo does not has a balcony hence the dryer option. I am not sure if I should have a drying area meant for clothes that can't be dried by the dryer. What I meant by separate is actually different brands for the washer and dryer - I actually see certain brands such as Bosch and Fagor offers cheaper price when purchasing both as a combo set. BTW, what do you think of Fagor? I am still surveying all the different models available in the market hence appreciate all the feedback.

In certain condition, combo is quite usefull base on my own experience. Example of continues running from washing till the cloth is ready to wear. Which you can't do it with separate unit. After some holiday which you didn't do the laundry and next day is working day. The tiredness and laziness is kick in after you coming back. So just throw in to the WM and the next day morning, you can wear it.

Or if I have full weekend schedule, before go out, throw in to the WM and comeback at night, the cloth is ready to be store. That save some laundry time. The above scenario is very less happen to me. ( as my wife do the laundry) Only few in a yrs.

I believe the technology today is reliable enough for not easy to konk. But of course choosing a reliable maker is important. I've been using this combo type for 6yrs.

The bad of combo type is that, you cannot have full load to wash if include the dryer mode. As when drying time, it best if the load is half. Or till the marking point. Cause the drying will not complete dry off your cloth. Dryer normally require some space and tumbling effect to dry out the wet cloth.

For my combo, it is a condenser type. Yup, it save energy. But have a smell on the cloth sometime. Cause the hot air is recycle which won't vent out the smell. The best is using gas type dryer which is vent type. I found out that the cloth is more smooth and soft when using the shop laundry dryer. Specially the towel and comforter.

Anyone came across fagor brand washing machine? If yes, wats yr comment? Tx

Vented dryers removes moisture more efficiently than condensing dryers, so it is somewhat more energy efficient than the condensing type but not by much. In terms of energy consumption I would say they are about equal.
Only those heat pump condenser dryers can save you on energy usage but they cost twice as much as the normal ones. Plus you need to discard the water after a couple of drying cycles and also clean out the condenser units.
Some condensing units have an option to drain the water out by itself which would help.

If spending 5k on a heat pump condensing dryer is not a problem then this would be the best option. The other two options are pretty much equal and which one is suitable, really depends on your situation.
IMHO gen 1, gen 2, gen 3 doesnt mean which one is better, only which one came first.
Gen 1 doesnt mean it is obsolete and that Gen 2 and 3 is better.

One fine example is Plasma TV, its dead now and obsolete but LCD/LED is in no way better than Plasma TVs
So much for Gen 2 and Gen 3 TVs

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 30 2014, 11:26 PM

I remember when search around the consumption of this 3 different type of dryer, it do have big different energy usage. Example the Electrolux vent dryer for 7kg is about 2250watt. While the LG condenser is 2200watt. I not sure what is the heat pump watt. As it pretty new technology at that time which not much infor I can get. I only know Panasonic have it but not selling here. So I settle for the condenser type.

The way of running is different as it how to save energy. Vent type is taking the fresh air and heat up. Pass through the cloth and the moist air is vent out through the hose. Everytime it taken the air from outside, the heater have to heat up the air. So the heater is always in ON condition. For condenser type, the air is taken from outside and heat up. Pass through the cloth. But the moist air will go through the condenser which remove the water. Than the hot air is recycle back to the cloth. The heater don't need to always ON to heat up the air. It only heat up again when the air temperature drop. So the way of continues heating up the air is different. Which 1 is always ON. While another is ON/OFF. Even through the heater is about the same watt, but the way of running that cause how it save energy.

The water don't need to remove manually. It go through the water drain hose. Share with the washer side. I read through the manual. It didn't write how and where to clean up the condenser or whatever related to maintenance the dryer side. I guess got to wait till 1 day the drying take longer time. Than start to open up and clean.

I remember the LG is different in the way of heating up the air. It use steam to blow in and tumbler. I don't know how the steam can dry the cloth. Since I only know steam require water to produce.

ozak
Read here - http://www.which.co.uk/home-and-garden/lau...yers/page/faqs/

"Condenser dryers are usually seen as more convenient as you don't have to place it near a wall vent or hang a hose out of a window. However, they're more expensive to buy than vented machines and use more electricity. "

You can google for more, they will say the same. But both about the same electricity usage I would say.

And the heated air is vented into the room, not recycle back for condensing units. That means it heats up the room.

http://www.energystar.gov/ia/products/down...thes_Dryers.pdf

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 29 2014, 10:56 AM

I did calculate if want to brought separately. A FL WM with 12kg cost more than RM3k. 7kg vent dryer cost RM2k. Add up total RM5k without the rack from HN. LG combo 12/7kg condenser type cost RM3.5k from jintex. So it doesn't make sense for me to get the separate type. + the usage consumption.

The combo type hot air did make the WM outer casing hot. But no hot air blowing around. I guess it blow inside the casing. Or the condenser tube running around the casing. There is 1 advantage about this. I place those wet cloth on top the WM which can dry abit before it turn to put inside dryer. It help reduce the drying time.

The hot air blow out is not actually the hot air inside the dryer for condenser type. It is an exhange condenser hot air.(Same principe as outdoor Aircon unit) While for vent type, the moist hot air is actual hot air from the dryer. You can different it by the filter. Vent type have a filter to catch the fabric, fur, dust etc from the blow out hot air. Before vent to the vent duct. So the filter need to be clean frequently. Condenser type don't have filter or anything to maintain. So far in my usage. It hot air is recycle back. But I wonder why the internal condenser won't clog up.

Here the different between vent dryer and condenser dryer.


For the energy saving report, is said ventless consume more ? (table 7) Guess the cause is mainly from the drying time. Which the condenser take longer time. The max drying time I experience is 3hr+ for full load in low temperature mode.

because yours is a combo and in combo, the condenser is water cool.
the standalone condenser dryer are air cool and it will expel hot air into your room.
only water cool condenser units found in combo does not have this effect.

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 30 2014, 01:07 PM

Ozak & idoblu, thanks for the great sharing and keep it up!

Lots of great info and insight on usage here. I'm in the process of moving back to condo. So, Ozak what you said now applies to me.

I didn't take into account of the heat generated from a dedicated condenser dryer unit so thanks for enlightening. That would be a no-no in an enclosed space unless there's active mechanical venting.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: May 30 2014, 11:22 PM

Bro, then you should get the heat pump condensing dryers, as the hot air is reuse, not expel like the normal condensing type. Plus you save electricity and drying time


Let me summarize - let me know if i miss anything

Vented dryers
Pros - cheaper to buy
Cons - needs venting to outside as it expels warm moist air and lint


Air Cooled Condenser Dryers - found in standalone units
Pros - can be place anywhere,
Cons - needs to empty water, needs to clean condenser, warm dry air expels into the room. Some have a water drainage hose but then you will lose the advantage that it can be place anywhere.


Washer Dryer Combos with Water Cooled Condensing Dryers
Pros - washing & drying can be done without switching to another machine. no warm air expel into the room like air cooled condensing dryers. No need to empty water as it has its own drain hose.
Cons - Drying loads is around half of washing loads which means you can only wash 5kg using a 7kg machine (example). Unless you want to remove some washed clothes which takes away the "wash and dry at one go" advantage. Uses more water as water is also use to cool the condensing units.


Heat Pump Condensing Dryers
Pros - saves energy, no warm air release into the room. can be place anywhere
Cons - expensive to own, needs to empty water or provide a drainage hose, need to clean the condenser,


Last but not least, the best dryer is still our Sun
inb4 weikee says gas dryer is best

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 31 2014, 01:48 AM

Thanks for insightful summary.

I agree with the last statement anytime but given the restrictions in my condo and the lack of drying area, a dryer is the only choice.

I plan to buy new FL WM and was eyeing on Samsung Washer & Dryer 8kg/5kg. Currently I'm using Samsung TL for 5 years and it still running fine. But I want to buy new WM for my new house. Is there anyone using this model and can share some feedback on this? Thanks.

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