Yes i agree. He is into high end one. If he go KEF also he will look at Blade series. LOL.
I have a feeling he may whack Mchintosh.

Wow..bro, you know even better than what i know and want..you spied on me keh?

I merely mentioned Bryston has 20 years warranty which seem that the manufacturer is confident on their products but never i said wanna get Bryston leh. Given the price of Bryston, there're lotsa choices out there already and many can be had for a fraction of the cost with very close performance. The fun part on Hifi is to identify these value for $ gears and put them together to make the exotic priced gears look like a wrong choice to make unless you're Uncle Lim or Uncle Lee

And my theory is that it's perfectly ok for the Bryston to drive Kef Q/B&W 600 series but not the other way. This combos yield most bang for your buck and extract the best of the speakers than the speakers extracting the best of the electronics. I do find the Kef Q interesting enough for me to take serious look at it

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Added on June 20, 2012, 12:58 pmWalau..guys..give me a break..put me in the spotlight like this then how am i gonna put up a speech and end it nicely?

Err..ladies and gentlemen, thanks for the interest and expectation on me, unfortunately and sadly, i aint THE ONE, no no, i aint NEO..i am just another wanna'be NEO..lolx

For the recent Kef lineup, i'll go for the Q series or the Reference series skipping the R series which i find is just a matter of better finishing of the Q. For the price of the Q, it's a steal and a smart move if you're considering the Kef

This post has been edited by Will.i.am.Smith: Jun 20 2012, 01:26 PM

KEF Q is good for me. I auditioned it in SS2 and IOI Mall last year.
Haven't got the chance to audition Blade series. If he gets it, I want to go over and listen. .

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Added on June 20, 2012, 1:39 pmNo lah, I didn't spied on you. Hardly see people mentioned Bryston and that caught my attention.
What amp are you looking at? McIntosh, Pass or?
Kaypoh a bit, how do you find the KEF Q compared to your Studio?





This post has been edited by otnuus: Jun 20 2012, 01:39 PM

Lolx..i'll never get designer speakers for they're usually compromised in sound due to the cabinet shape and of course, my pocket cannot afford it either Blade might be different because it has a HUGE funny looking cabinet for the few "tiny" speakers to work. it looks like a surf board to me

Many "perfect U shape" cabinet suffers from lack of internal volume hence requires crossover tuning to extend the frequencies. The "semi U shape" like this one sampled (http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/Verus-Grand-Tower-Speaker,267,802.aspx) is a better compromise between sound and look. Either the SEMI/PERFECT U shape cabinet has more inert cabinet simply because they're multiple plywood pressed together than those square box speakers where usually MDF/HDF board is cut to length and fold to form the shape with some to almost none bracing internally. Such square box cabinet with thin board and lack of bracing will yield higher cabinet resonance as compared to the U shape cabinet. The U shape cabinets of course is more pleasing to the eyes but they're not sound better naturally but rather it's a "product positioning" by the marketing folks. I like good bang for buck products like the Q series

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Added on June 20, 2012, 1:59 pmShh...cannot tell you here..later the whole Paradigm team is coming to see me with a few of their lawyers..lolx

If my memory serves me right, the Q series is a very damn close to performance competitor and given its unrivaled off axis performance than the Studios, i'll put my money on the Q if it's 100% performance i am looking for. Unless it's the look then of course, the Studios has its edge.

Shop around and you'll find the Q900, Q600c and Q800ds can be had for below the 5 digit figure. Damn good value for its performance i'll say

For amp wise, i am always into dedicated AV Processor/Power Amp combo not because i am loaded but because of the advantage is really worth the extra. The PRE/POW combo yields better channel separation, higher fidelity and flexibility is something that's hard to ignore, of course there's a limit to it as PRE/POW combo can cost a bomb so dont go overboard also for very little benefit to gain after certain threshold. There's a "cheat/cheap" way to get good stereo performance out of the AV gears, that's by using a dedicated stereo pre-amp to drive your front channels, not as well integrated but it's much more friendly on the pocket.


This post has been edited by Will.i.am.Smith: Jun 20 2012, 02:09 PM

Thanks for your insight on these "U-shaped" cabinet.
Agrees that Q series is good bang for the buck considering the "discount" given. Their list price is crazy! Just wondering what is missing in your Paradigm that you found in Q?

Will.i.am will go for B&W 8 series lah

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Added on June 20, 2012, 1:59 pm

Shh...cannot tell you here..later the whole Paradigm team is coming to see me with a few of their lawyers..lolx

If my memory serves me right, the Q series is a very damn close to performance competitor and given its unrivaled off axis performance than the Studios, i'll put my money on the Q if it's 100% performance i am looking for. Unless it's the look then of course, the Studios has its edge.

Shop around and you'll find the Q900, Q600c and Q800ds can be had for below the 5 digit figure. Damn good value for its performance i'll say

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Paradigm coming after you for your personal opinion on their products in LYN?
Definitely good value for the price you mentioned. I guess there are many that pay much more than that because of their list price. Now people interested to get the above combo will look for you to get this price. . Many of the Kef owner here will for what they paid.

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Added on June 20, 2012, 2:13 pmPoison him with your Triangle!

This post has been edited by otnuus: Jun 20 2012, 02:18 PM

Otnuus, if he likes B&W sound, then probably Triangle will not suit his taste. Speed and wide dispersion are Triangle's forte.

Dispersion. I long for a wider dispersion speakers with better sweet spot. I find that for any speakers package below RM35k street price ex sub should have wider dispersion where users are usually listening to wide range of music/movie. As you push toward the more expensive speakers, we usually rank razor sharp accuracy as one of the important factor but many of these excellent speakers has narrower sweet spot so to speak. To be fair to the Studios, the advantage of the Studios over Q is they're still accurate when playing loud and has more power handling and better appearance. For my case, the loudest i go is around -15db so it's not so critical for me to find speakers that can take huge power load from the amp but the power amp should still be able to output 2 - 3 times the max load of the speakers can take to ensure they're well behaved throughout the useful range.

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Added on June 20, 2012, 6:12 pmB&W 800 series is very interesting and not for dispersion but for the FST mid range driver and how they're built and measured from the factory is worthy of consideration if it's affordable to anyone pocket.

I do find the 800 series now not suitable for what i am looking for, not the sound but the package. The lack of a switchable monopole/dipole matching series speakers on the 800 series is a deal killer for me. I'll KIV it for the time being until they're serious in releasing a total package models for my liking

Since i need a speaker sets now and my "darling" hasnt had the "BOOT" i am looking for, i'll go for the China Doll lo..lolx

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Added on June 20, 2012, 6:15 pmLolx..I aint responsible for any "deal" disclosed here since Bro OtNuUs said personal opinion in LYN isnt legal binding

I am more into British speakers, ie. Kef and B&W are my 1st choice, especially those still built in UK really has top notch quality that flatters me

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Added on June 20, 2012, 6:20 pmBro Maxx, no mean of any discredit to your Triangle but i am a hardcore supporter for B&Wand Kef as i was brought up with Kefs and B&Ws




This post has been edited by Will.i.am.Smith: Jun 20 2012, 06:20 PM

Bro, no worry. There isn't a single loudspeaker that appeal to all.

A matter of personal preference. Out of curiosity, why Paradigm and not KEF or B&W at the first place?

Perhaps he wanted to try out new toys ....now doing a U-turn.kekekeke

I was only referring to giving your personal opinion on the Paradigm you had. Seriously I would have bought Q900 5.0 combo if I could get it around 10k. .

Since you like British speakers, have you consider Epos and MA? MA has some nice dipole speakers. Is MA Gold series made in the UK or Malaysia?

I did a home auditioned with Def Tech BPX. Playing some demo tracks I can hear the sound going from left, stays above me and gradually goes to the right. Much better than the bookshelf I am using now. Maybe some placement or setting issues. Why don't you keep your Paradigm dipole? You can't differentiate the tonal difference in movies right?

I am looking for Atacama Nexus 6 speaker stands for my Q300, if anyone knows where can i get a pair of these pls let me know here. Thx

I used to have Kef Q series and B&W 600 series before and went to Paradigm for its reputation oversea

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Added on June 21, 2012, 1:52 pmDipoles has to match to the front while some speakers has very much similar sound character of a camp but some are very different hence it'll not be able to match very well. Of course, your eyes and ultimately heart will not agree with you either

MA is very good especially with its Gold series speakers for movie/music that has a switchable dipole. They're unfortunately, made in Panda land. But the quality is just top notch, even shame a lot of made in "U" land

For 5 channels setup, the recommended rear speakers are monopole but i still like dipole for its wide dispersion of soundstage. For 7 channels, the recommended speakers for both side and rear are dipole but some company like MA even go the extend of specifying Left or Right or Rear dipole. I do like dipole speakers with a front firing bass driver for a more 3D sound as compared to only left and right speakers array in some other made and model.





This post has been edited by Will.i.am.Smith: Jun 21 2012, 01:52 PM

True, the main reason I return the Def Tech BPX. Not that I listen to a lot of multi-channel music, but... .
Looks like you like the Paradigm dipole speaker design with front firing bass driver. What about the center speaker? I guess you prefer WTMW design as well.

The funny thing for center speaker is, no matter how "excellent" the specification the speaker is, it somehow can sounds "hollow" or "boxy". Ideally i'll go for sealed center if possible and 3 way crossover. There's an camp of folks who believed that the best center is to have 2 tweeter mounting at both side of the cabinet rather than center. ID speaker brand, Axiom Audio is a very good example. The sweet spot of such "conventional" tweeters and mid/bass drivers used will definitely be wider than the one that utilizes one tweeter mounting in the center and probably a more "forward" sound as well. Unless you have a huge gap in between the front speakers, says, 5m and above, this shouldnt be a problem. And in fact if it's less than that, using center that utilizes 2 tweeters at each side can "mess up" the sound stage from the front left and right speakers.

I did came across someone who use 1 pair of bookshelf speakers placed horizontally to serve as center driven by 2 power amps. This particular dude even use 4 x bookshelf stacked on one another in a up down formation to work as front speakers. Such idea is currently being used by the Kreisel Sound's latest power sub where they can be stacked to form multiple subs array. It's pretty common in commercial setup especially in stadium, concept hall where high SPL output is required for a given channel.

Paradigm is a company that knows its market pretty well. They have dipole speakers all the way from entry to their TOR series. But their drivers used especially mid range is quite ordinary though the sound is still formidable so to speak

This post has been edited by Will.i.am.Smith: Jun 21 2012, 05:39 PM

Sibu

Nice to hear from a neighbour state. What amp do u use to drive your Kef spkrs??

Great!.. where you source your stuffs most from? My current system only 3.1 and planning to get another a pair either Q300 or Q800ds for surround, any suggestion, Any better deal in KCH for me?

I'm using Pioneer SC-LX 75 which is pretty good and very happy with it sound quality and it match perfect with KEF.

What system your are using now?

Nice AVR u have there. My setup is entry lvl which is Q300 + Q200c drive by a Denon 1912.
I got my Q300 at Penang which is a good deal compared to Sarawak even after shipment ... If the offer price still available, i'll PM u
If u can fork out the extra cash, the Q800ds will be your surround choice. But a Q300 as surround will not be far off. Hehehe. Once u have the 5.1, things will never be the same.

This post has been edited by Mikeyz: Jun 23 2012, 02:56 PM