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post Apr 20 2012, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(mosesmao @ Apr 20 2012, 09:39 AM)
i suggest you to get the er6. and if you wanna upgrade real soon then get a second hand one.

I am currently riding only a small bike (Krr150zx), i used to ride a Modenas kriss. What i can say is that the bigger the bike, the harder it is to maneuver in the jam. So if your bike is way too big to filter in the jam, there is no point of getting the bike to avoid jam. just my 2 cents =)
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Thanks bro for the suggestion smile.gif)


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:21 pm
QUOTE(hanizhan @ Apr 20 2012, 09:40 AM)
if like that u can buy it... drool.gif
but for ur first bike, i recommend kawasaki er6n or er6f...
then u upgrade to 1000cc...
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Haha, thanks for the opinion bro wink.gif


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(EyraYus @ Apr 20 2012, 09:42 AM)
but actually, after trying the 795, I`ll say the 795 easier to ride compared to er6n. the only problem is the price, but if its not a problem then..


Added on April 20, 2012, 9:45 amYou are 178 and 80kg, so you fit perfectly on the 795, no problem. Just make sure you get used to the acceleration in traffic though.
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Hmm...But 795 n 696 ain't much difference aren't they but price such a big gap....Will see will see...Thanks though !


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 20 2012, 09:48 AM)
no bike experience?

better learn the bike properly first

riding a big bike in traffic is very difficult, not to mention extremely dangerous - should you do a handle lock, and fall to the side, and a car / lorry from the back did not manage to stop in time - you know the drill

plus, falling off a bike due to handle lock is abit malu

i'd suggest you get a B-full license (no need B2, straight B-full)

and rent / borrow a small moped to try to familiarise yourslef for a few months

then you choose your bike

for street riding, try to find a "naked" bike as they are more maneuvrable in traffic, rather than a superbike, such as the R1 or 1199 Panigale  brows.gif
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What you said it does make sense bro, much appreciated smile.gif


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:23 pm
QUOTE(terradrive @ Apr 20 2012, 10:27 AM)
Best learners bike will probably be the yamaha fz150i. Familiarize with it first then buy the bike you want.

Handle lock is really dangerous and malu, I experienced it when first got 150cc sports tourer even I have ridden for years in kapcai and another 175cc naked. If ducati fall down cry owhhhh
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Aha true though but we will see haha, thanks.


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:25 pm
QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
Just to share with you as i was in the same predicament as you as i have never ridden a bike before and went for the B Full licence by learning on the ER6n in driving school. The first lesson, I was not even allowed near the bike and I was given a kapchai to ride for 2hrs familiarising with the dynamics of a motorcycle. Come 2nd lesson, I was asked to use the ER6n for the first time and i was told to push the bike out first. OMG..I didn't realise how difficult it was pushing a 200lbs bike let alone riding it. It took me a hell of a tough time just to push it out and maneuver into the road. The bike feels like it wants to drop on either side and even worse is when you try to turn it. The handlebar has very small turning radius and it was damn heavy. I was taught how to start and play with the clutch, gears and brakes. Easy said than done. Somehow I manage to move the bike in first gear. The problem is stopping as you have to control clutch , rear brake and front brakes. and at the same time balancing the bike. I took it for a spin and have to stop at the junction. I got confused with the clutch and foot brakes. Everytime i press the clutch to prevent from stalling, i thought i was pressing the brakes (this is what bicycle does to you) and I immediately put down both my feet. Problem, now is i do not have brakes and as I panic I pressed the front brakes and my left leg tried to reach the ground. The bike fell on my left side slowly. It didn't hit me but my arms and shoulders were already sore by the weight of the bike. It was a nightmare and the instructor helped me to pull up the bike and I hatook a huge lashing from him. The dynamics of a big bike is not a joke. I went for a second round and the same happened as I drop the bike for a second time. I need to compose myself and relax and I manage to stop and start a few times without stalling or dropping the bike. This was my first two hours of riding experience and on  a test course. I haven't even started doing all the obstacles yet and my hands and arm was like sore for two weeks.

My advice sir, is do not underestimate the dynamics of a big bike. mastering the maneuvere is key and also the controls. I made a mistake that i should have bought a bike first and learn slowly myself. The best way to start is to put a bike on a paddock stand and start playing with the brakes, clutch, change gears and moving in 1st gear. After that is done, then learn to push the bike in and out, reverse, left and right until you are familiar with the weight distribution and how the bike behaves by understanding the handlebar lock and so on. The pushing, puling and turning will help you learn how to use your body weight to push the bike without dropping it.

The find a quiet road and start practising short start , move in 1st gear, go and stop very frequently and then move on to cornering.

Once you have done this countless times, go the test driving course and learn the obstacles and also the road safety procedures by stopping at junctions, switching lanes etc etc. Take at least 10hrs for all this.

Maybe after 2 or 3 months then only start riding on Public roads. A bike is not a car, any marginal error is not as forgiving as a car. A car may acquire small dent which can be fixed but a dent on you maybe fatal.
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Your rite bro, my intention was to get a bike first then learn around my area for 2~3 months until i get familiar so i ain't gonna ride it on the road straight away after i getting it biggrin.gif

Thanks for sharing !!


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:26 pm
QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 20 2012, 12:28 PM)
How I started was...

ZXR250 -> 1000cc sports

but since streetbikes are much more forgivable, I'm pretty sure you can safely start with the Duc.

Heck... I poison a fren and he bought his first bike 250cc scooter, then 3 months later a 800cc BMW, and now he have 4 superbikes. and He is 58 yrs old!

So just go ahead with your Duc, take some lesson, maybe an advance riding course (not required but you will get more enjoyment out of your bike).
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Thanks for sharing smile.gif))


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:39 pmHey all sifu(s)/pros, thanks for sharing and all the help, very much appreciated !!

i had gotten many guidance e.g getting smaller bike as first learner only then proceed to bigger one...Yea its all about experience...

But still inner me, not to offense or disagree with all you guys opinion but i still think i can get a big bike and learn it for 2~3 months until i get steady with it then i started to ride it to work....hmm perhaps its really near impossible for a beginner like me to handle big bike, i can't tell because i never try it before (just yet)...

Also, i don't think changing bike after i mastered it within 2~3 months or more is an option to me (atleast 1~3 years after)...Which means if i were to change my first bike after 1~2 years long then its not something i really wanted (hope you get what i mean)...Of course, my opinion is just me so yea...

I do understood what you guys trying to guide me here....But is that really IMPOSSIBLE to get a big bike as beginner and learn it for 3 months+ until i get familiar and mastered within my housing area/empty road??? Impossible?? Way too hard to maneuver for a beginner??

What im thinking now:

Get 696 > train as much as i could within months in within any testable area as possible, get a trainer/a friend or whoever willing to help > ride to work after skill mature.


Sorry if i had offended your opinion/thoughts, just my pure thinking, i could be wrong or nobody could be right 100% in the first place haha.

Thanks !







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post Apr 20 2012, 01:57 PM

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its not impossible. many ppl like you get a big bike as first bike. but its up to the talent and patience in you. I have met ppl that bought a big bike as their first bike broke their limb. So if you can control and be patience, shouldnt be the problem. But its quite hard to control especially if you are young and still aggressive. haha.
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post Apr 20 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(mosesmao @ Apr 20 2012, 01:57 PM)
its not impossible. many ppl like you get a big bike as first bike. but its up to the talent and patience in you. I have met ppl that bought a big bike as their first bike broke their limb. So if you can control and be patience, shouldnt be the problem. But its quite hard to control especially if you are young and still aggressive. haha.
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Haha, bro i like the way you express "But its quite hard to control especially if you are young and still aggressive."

True though lolll....But breaking limbs is a serious thing to risk with :S
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yup. so that is one of the risk here to get a big bike as the first bike. Hence, many forumers here are advicing you that its not worth it to take the risk. haha. i know cause i am young and slightly aggressive too.... =/ imma only 21 this year.

this is what i did, i actually bought a modenas kriss kapcai as my first bike. Bought it at rm800 or so, then rode it for 4 months+ till i am ready to handle a bigger bike. Sold the Kriss of at RM700, then bought a Kawasaki Krr150zx. Within the 2 years period, already jatuh 6 times. Injured my back badly when i handle lock during traffic jam.

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post Apr 20 2012, 02:18 PM

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don waste ur time on small cc bike..if u wana start with big bike..start with it n get ur dream bike instead of wasting money on those small bike...
get ur dream bike, learn with it...
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post Apr 20 2012, 02:22 PM

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My 1st bike is 500cc Virago. After work I familiar myself at my area, during weekend I go to public area and try. After a month full time as a motor biker but mine is easy rider, quite easy to handle compare to superbike.
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QUOTE(mosesmao @ Apr 20 2012, 02:07 PM)
yup. so that is one of the risk here to get a big bike as the first bike. Hence, many forumers here are advicing you that its not worth it to take the risk. haha. i know cause i am young and slightly aggressive too.... =/ imma only 21 this year.

this is what i did, i actually bought a modenas kriss kapcai as my first bike. Bought it at rm800 or so, then rode it for 4 months+ till i am ready to handle a bigger bike. Sold the Kriss of at RM700, then bought a Kawasaki Krr150zx. Within the 2 years period, already jatuh 6 times. Injured my back badly when i handle lock during traffic jam.
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can explain more about your experience and what exactly is handle lock? (i never rode a motorcycle/bike before, bicycle yes lol)
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post Apr 20 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(tyhuang @ Apr 20 2012, 02:18 PM)
don waste ur time on small cc bike..if u wana start with big bike..start with it n get ur dream bike instead of wasting money on those small bike...
get ur dream bike, learn with it...
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Thats what i thought instead of what other suggested on getting a small bike for months/years only then turn into bigger bike hmm. just not quite an option for me....Ok if i would getting a small bike first then i wouldn't be so complicated thinking now haha...

Thanks for the reply.


Added on April 20, 2012, 3:23 pm
QUOTE(sakos @ Apr 20 2012, 02:22 PM)
My 1st bike is 500cc Virago. After work I familiar myself at my area, during weekend I go to public area and try. After a month full time as a motor biker but mine is easy rider, quite easy to handle compare to superbike.
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Thanks for the experience bro !

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post Apr 20 2012, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Apr 20 2012, 09:55 AM)
talking about the Panigale, I forget that I got invited to the launching yesterday sad.gif sad.gif

Realize that at 9pm, too lazy to get out of bed already..
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wah... u must have one or two ducatis in your garage to get a special invitation




QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
OMG..I didn't realise how difficult it was pushing a 200lbs bike let alone riding it.
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it's a 480 lbs. not 200 lbs.

480lbs = 220kg bike



QUOTE(robccs @ Apr 20 2012, 01:20 PM)
But still inner me, not to offense or disagree with all you guys opinion but i still think i can get a big bike and learn it for 2~3 months until i get steady with it then i started to ride it to work....hmm perhaps its really near impossible for a beginner like me to handle big bike, i can't tell because i never try it before (just yet)...


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if u are willing to damage your ducati, you may go down that path

when you stall on a bike, u fall. if u stall a car engine, it just stops.

when a bike fall, u'll 100% damage the fairing at least. then u'll damage the tank cover. or you may clip the handlebars, footpegs. worse? perhaps chassis?

if you can drive a manual car, the clutch / gear things should be natural to you

i've been riding a small scooter for the past 4 years and straight jump to a 650cc bike. yes, it's possible to ride a big bike immediately, but it's kind of stupid to do it in the traffic road - it's simply too dangerous if you fall of your bike

you only realize the bike weight when you are riding very slowly in the traffic. the whole 400+lbs of it.

if you still want to go ahead with your plan, my only advice is to be very alert with traffic on the road. be corteous when riding (give way to others all the time - you are always the one who'll suffer more damage if u want to compete with a stubborn car or lorry). respect traffic rule. no zig-zagging in traffic like mat rempit. and most importantly, ATGAT - all the gear, all the time

speaking of which, let me poison you with some riding gear:

1. full face arai / shoei (1,500+) or nolam / caberg / suomy (1.300+)
2. leather jacket with protective padding / reflector (1,000+?)
3. riding boots (500 - 1.000+)
4. rain gear (300+)
5. riding glove (200+)

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My bad..it is actually 200kg, tq for pointing it out..you need to do a lot of sit ups to strengthened the legs and arms.
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handle lock happens when you make a sudden stop while the handle is turned almost completely to either side. big bikes weigh more to the front because of the engine placement and when the bike stops suddenly, gravity tends to pull the bike to the ground in the direction where the handle is turned.

it can easily happen if you are at a T-junction, you slowly move forward then suddenly got incoming vehicle from the side that you pull the brake by reaction. because you are not ready to stop, there is a chance for the bike to completely fall over if you are not quick enough to put your leg to the ground. sometimes if the bike is too heavy and it is already leaning over, its probably too late to avoid the fall. you'll risk injuries if you try to hold the bike, better to let it go and hope for minor repair smile.gif

correct me if i'm wrong.
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QUOTE(be7a @ Apr 20 2012, 10:18 AM)
how's the CBR250R as a learner's bike? for someone with no experience with bikes (bicycles maybe but bikes are a different story im sure)
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beginner bike if you wish to upgrade to a superbike. another good beginner bike is the ninja 250

but both bikes cost 20+k, and good 2nd hand ones are around 10+k... so abit expensive

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 20 2012, 11:33 AM)
what is a bike handle lock? i googled it and got adverts of handle bar lockers >.>
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handle lock is when you turn the handle wayyy too much and start to open the throttle

the bike will lurch to the side, rather than go front as you wanted, and you fall as you tip over. losing balance of a 200+kg bike is very easy.

worse case if you panic, and start to release the clutch while in gear and your hand revs on the throttle. the bike may do unpredictable thing, and in worst case scenario, drag you down with it. luckily, most modern bike has VDS - vehicle down sensor, which cuts off the engine once it's tilted to the side


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QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 05:54 PM)
My bad..it is actually 200kg, tq for pointing it out..you need to do a lot of sit ups to strengthened the legs and arms.
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from a mtb background, u shouldn't have problem with balancing

i am a weekend offroader, and my exp with a mtb (albeit very light 10kg xc bike) really helps with balancing a big bike


Added on April 20, 2012, 6:04 pm
QUOTE(robccs @ Apr 20 2012, 01:20 PM)

Hmm...But 795 n 696 ain't much difference aren't they but price such a big gap....Will see will see...Thanks though !
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the 795 is assembled in Thailand (AFTA rules here) and loses some expensive feature. for example the signature single swing arm

the 696 is CBU from italy, hence the price



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QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 20 2012, 05:33 PM)
wah... u must have one or two ducatis in your garage to get a special invitation
it's a 480 lbs. not 200 lbs.

480lbs = 220kg bike
if u are willing to damage your ducati, you may go down that path

when you stall on a bike, u fall. if u stall a car engine, it just stops.

when a bike fall, u'll 100% damage the fairing at least. then u'll damage the tank cover. or you may clip the handlebars, footpegs. worse? perhaps chassis?

if you can drive a manual car, the clutch / gear things should be natural to you

i've been riding a small scooter for the past 4 years and straight jump to a 650cc bike. yes, it's possible to ride a big bike immediately, but it's kind of stupid to do it in the traffic road - it's simply too dangerous if you fall of your bike

you only realize the bike weight when you are riding very slowly in the traffic. the whole 400+lbs of it.

if you still want to go ahead with your plan, my only advice is to be very alert with traffic on the road. be corteous when riding (give way to others all the time - you are always the one who'll suffer more damage if u want to compete with a stubborn car or lorry). respect traffic rule. no zig-zagging in traffic like mat rempit. and most importantly, ATGAT - all the gear, all the time

speaking of which, let me poison you with some riding gear:

1. full face arai / shoei (1,500+) or nolam / caberg / suomy (1.300+)
2. leather jacket with protective padding / reflector (1,000+?)
3. riding boots (500 - 1.000+)
4. rain gear (300+)
5. riding glove (200+)
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Agree with ya bro, thanks for your suggestion biggrin.gif

And yea about the weight, when you slow down very logically you started to feel the weight of 400+ lbs included the rider T.T


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Im using rxz as mat rempit for 3-4 years...and now stop using its after my job..afer gov declare to give 13% salary rise..im wantednto take er6n...is its er6n so hard to handle...looking for 2nd one.my dream of course ducati monster neo1000 ...but cannot afford la....anyone wanna sold thier er6n...below 30??.
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thanks for the explanation guys, will take note of it and remember them when i get my own bike in the future biggrin.gif
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Nice tips

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QUOTE(razmycavalera @ Apr 20 2012, 07:31 PM)
Im using rxz as mat rempit for 3-4 years...and now stop using its after my job..afer gov declare to give 13% salary rise..im wantednto take er6n...is its er6n so hard to handle...looking for 2nd one.my dream of course ducati monster neo1000 ...but cannot afford la....anyone wanna sold thier er6n...below 30??.
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er6-n is a beginner bike


it's easy to learn and adapt and can be easy to maneuvre, and still has enough hp and torque to make your heart beats fast
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You can take this advise or leave it if you want.

I remember i got my new bicycle which i wanted so badly, it was so beautiful, aggressive and of course expensive too. Yet i spend so much money and time and moment with it.

That time i was only a beginner, like some sort of amature, knowing what i only know. So one day i drop my bike, DAMN SAD WEI!!!

The colour paint cripped off, metal scratches everywhere, some part even putus.

The Story is: Get a cheaper bike until you ready pro then you can show off or whatever you want. Or at least can practice with it, it wont hurt your body so bad rather than your heart. If you are really rich then just go for it, no problem at all thumbup.gif
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Heheh....where the like.button
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post Apr 21 2012, 09:38 AM

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imho since you have a limited/no experience on motorcycle, you better get a smaller bike in the likes of fz150i or cbr150..both are larger than moped/kapchai, weight more, like mini superbike and most importantly got clutch..go for the 2nd hand one..price should around 5k for the bike..

then you can start familiarized things..based on my experience, the transition from these 150cc bike to 600cc++ bike is very smooth..after comfortable and you think you are ready, then go for your dream bike..those 150cc bike are easily sold after that..

why not go for yamaha xj6 diversion..4 inline and sounds better than er6..but if i got the extra money i would go for duc monster 795

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