QUOTE(mosesmao @ Apr 20 2012, 09:39 AM)
i suggest you to get the er6. and if you wanna upgrade real soon then get a second hand one.
I am currently riding only a small bike (Krr150zx), i used to ride a Modenas kriss. What i can say is that the bigger the bike, the harder it is to maneuver in the jam. So if your bike is way too big to filter in the jam, there is no point of getting the bike to avoid jam. just my 2 cents =)
Thanks bro for the suggestion I am currently riding only a small bike (Krr150zx), i used to ride a Modenas kriss. What i can say is that the bigger the bike, the harder it is to maneuver in the jam. So if your bike is way too big to filter in the jam, there is no point of getting the bike to avoid jam. just my 2 cents =)
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:21 pm
QUOTE(hanizhan @ Apr 20 2012, 09:40 AM)
if like that u can buy it...
but for ur first bike, i recommend kawasaki er6n or er6f...
then u upgrade to 1000cc...
Haha, thanks for the opinion bro but for ur first bike, i recommend kawasaki er6n or er6f...
then u upgrade to 1000cc...
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(EyraYus @ Apr 20 2012, 09:42 AM)
but actually, after trying the 795, I`ll say the 795 easier to ride compared to er6n. the only problem is the price, but if its not a problem then..
Added on April 20, 2012, 9:45 amYou are 178 and 80kg, so you fit perfectly on the 795, no problem. Just make sure you get used to the acceleration in traffic though.
Hmm...But 795 n 696 ain't much difference aren't they but price such a big gap....Will see will see...Thanks though !Added on April 20, 2012, 9:45 amYou are 178 and 80kg, so you fit perfectly on the 795, no problem. Just make sure you get used to the acceleration in traffic though.
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 20 2012, 09:48 AM)
no bike experience?
better learn the bike properly first
riding a big bike in traffic is very difficult, not to mention extremely dangerous - should you do a handle lock, and fall to the side, and a car / lorry from the back did not manage to stop in time - you know the drill
plus, falling off a bike due to handle lock is abit malu
i'd suggest you get a B-full license (no need B2, straight B-full)
and rent / borrow a small moped to try to familiarise yourslef for a few months
then you choose your bike
for street riding, try to find a "naked" bike as they are more maneuvrable in traffic, rather than a superbike, such as the R1 or 1199 Panigale
What you said it does make sense bro, much appreciated better learn the bike properly first
riding a big bike in traffic is very difficult, not to mention extremely dangerous - should you do a handle lock, and fall to the side, and a car / lorry from the back did not manage to stop in time - you know the drill
plus, falling off a bike due to handle lock is abit malu
i'd suggest you get a B-full license (no need B2, straight B-full)
and rent / borrow a small moped to try to familiarise yourslef for a few months
then you choose your bike
for street riding, try to find a "naked" bike as they are more maneuvrable in traffic, rather than a superbike, such as the R1 or 1199 Panigale
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:23 pm
QUOTE(terradrive @ Apr 20 2012, 10:27 AM)
Best learners bike will probably be the yamaha fz150i. Familiarize with it first then buy the bike you want.
Handle lock is really dangerous and malu, I experienced it when first got 150cc sports tourer even I have ridden for years in kapcai and another 175cc naked. If ducati fall down cry owhhhh
Aha true though but we will see haha, thanks.Handle lock is really dangerous and malu, I experienced it when first got 150cc sports tourer even I have ridden for years in kapcai and another 175cc naked. If ducati fall down cry owhhhh
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:25 pm
QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
Just to share with you as i was in the same predicament as you as i have never ridden a bike before and went for the B Full licence by learning on the ER6n in driving school. The first lesson, I was not even allowed near the bike and I was given a kapchai to ride for 2hrs familiarising with the dynamics of a motorcycle. Come 2nd lesson, I was asked to use the ER6n for the first time and i was told to push the bike out first. OMG..I didn't realise how difficult it was pushing a 200lbs bike let alone riding it. It took me a hell of a tough time just to push it out and maneuver into the road. The bike feels like it wants to drop on either side and even worse is when you try to turn it. The handlebar has very small turning radius and it was damn heavy. I was taught how to start and play with the clutch, gears and brakes. Easy said than done. Somehow I manage to move the bike in first gear. The problem is stopping as you have to control clutch , rear brake and front brakes. and at the same time balancing the bike. I took it for a spin and have to stop at the junction. I got confused with the clutch and foot brakes. Everytime i press the clutch to prevent from stalling, i thought i was pressing the brakes (this is what bicycle does to you) and I immediately put down both my feet. Problem, now is i do not have brakes and as I panic I pressed the front brakes and my left leg tried to reach the ground. The bike fell on my left side slowly. It didn't hit me but my arms and shoulders were already sore by the weight of the bike. It was a nightmare and the instructor helped me to pull up the bike and I hatook a huge lashing from him. The dynamics of a big bike is not a joke. I went for a second round and the same happened as I drop the bike for a second time. I need to compose myself and relax and I manage to stop and start a few times without stalling or dropping the bike. This was my first two hours of riding experience and on a test course. I haven't even started doing all the obstacles yet and my hands and arm was like sore for two weeks.
My advice sir, is do not underestimate the dynamics of a big bike. mastering the maneuvere is key and also the controls. I made a mistake that i should have bought a bike first and learn slowly myself. The best way to start is to put a bike on a paddock stand and start playing with the brakes, clutch, change gears and moving in 1st gear. After that is done, then learn to push the bike in and out, reverse, left and right until you are familiar with the weight distribution and how the bike behaves by understanding the handlebar lock and so on. The pushing, puling and turning will help you learn how to use your body weight to push the bike without dropping it.
The find a quiet road and start practising short start , move in 1st gear, go and stop very frequently and then move on to cornering.
Once you have done this countless times, go the test driving course and learn the obstacles and also the road safety procedures by stopping at junctions, switching lanes etc etc. Take at least 10hrs for all this.
Maybe after 2 or 3 months then only start riding on Public roads. A bike is not a car, any marginal error is not as forgiving as a car. A car may acquire small dent which can be fixed but a dent on you maybe fatal.
Your rite bro, my intention was to get a bike first then learn around my area for 2~3 months until i get familiar so i ain't gonna ride it on the road straight away after i getting it My advice sir, is do not underestimate the dynamics of a big bike. mastering the maneuvere is key and also the controls. I made a mistake that i should have bought a bike first and learn slowly myself. The best way to start is to put a bike on a paddock stand and start playing with the brakes, clutch, change gears and moving in 1st gear. After that is done, then learn to push the bike in and out, reverse, left and right until you are familiar with the weight distribution and how the bike behaves by understanding the handlebar lock and so on. The pushing, puling and turning will help you learn how to use your body weight to push the bike without dropping it.
The find a quiet road and start practising short start , move in 1st gear, go and stop very frequently and then move on to cornering.
Once you have done this countless times, go the test driving course and learn the obstacles and also the road safety procedures by stopping at junctions, switching lanes etc etc. Take at least 10hrs for all this.
Maybe after 2 or 3 months then only start riding on Public roads. A bike is not a car, any marginal error is not as forgiving as a car. A car may acquire small dent which can be fixed but a dent on you maybe fatal.
Thanks for sharing !!
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:26 pm
QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 20 2012, 12:28 PM)
How I started was...
ZXR250 -> 1000cc sports
but since streetbikes are much more forgivable, I'm pretty sure you can safely start with the Duc.
Heck... I poison a fren and he bought his first bike 250cc scooter, then 3 months later a 800cc BMW, and now he have 4 superbikes. and He is 58 yrs old!
So just go ahead with your Duc, take some lesson, maybe an advance riding course (not required but you will get more enjoyment out of your bike).
Thanks for sharing ZXR250 -> 1000cc sports
but since streetbikes are much more forgivable, I'm pretty sure you can safely start with the Duc.
Heck... I poison a fren and he bought his first bike 250cc scooter, then 3 months later a 800cc BMW, and now he have 4 superbikes. and He is 58 yrs old!
So just go ahead with your Duc, take some lesson, maybe an advance riding course (not required but you will get more enjoyment out of your bike).
Added on April 20, 2012, 1:39 pmHey all sifu(s)/pros, thanks for sharing and all the help, very much appreciated !!
i had gotten many guidance e.g getting smaller bike as first learner only then proceed to bigger one...Yea its all about experience...
But still inner me, not to offense or disagree with all you guys opinion but i still think i can get a big bike and learn it for 2~3 months until i get steady with it then i started to ride it to work....hmm perhaps its really near impossible for a beginner like me to handle big bike, i can't tell because i never try it before (just yet)...
Also, i don't think changing bike after i mastered it within 2~3 months or more is an option to me (atleast 1~3 years after)...Which means if i were to change my first bike after 1~2 years long then its not something i really wanted (hope you get what i mean)...Of course, my opinion is just me so yea...
I do understood what you guys trying to guide me here....But is that really IMPOSSIBLE to get a big bike as beginner and learn it for 3 months+ until i get familiar and mastered within my housing area/empty road??? Impossible?? Way too hard to maneuver for a beginner??
What im thinking now:
Get 696 > train as much as i could within months in within any testable area as possible, get a trainer/a friend or whoever willing to help > ride to work after skill mature.
Sorry if i had offended your opinion/thoughts, just my pure thinking, i could be wrong or nobody could be right 100% in the first place haha.
Thanks !
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