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post Apr 20 2012, 09:20 AM, updated 14y ago

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Hi all pros/master/sifu on bike world,

Ok so i straight to the point, am 23 this year 178 height, 80kg (Not sure if its needed to judge the size of the bike suitable or not) staying in KL, working currently and being a driver for 4 years+ and i always wanted to get a bike...

The reason is simple, to avoid traffic jam (trafficjamphobia), to get easy parking, to save time, to save fuel and of course to get the cool-ness biggrin.gif

I'm don't have any good knowledge or experience on bike, nvr actually ride one before, no bike license yet (atleast for now) so i can't judge how good a bike is BUT ducati monster 696 was the one who got me attention (its like first love in first sight) so i do some research and i know monster series also come with 795, 796, 1100, and etc...I know its 600+ cc, 300+lbs, can reach 100km/h in 4s, sexy body and frames, Rm59k or more or less (not so sure yet), air-cooled system and etc...

Well, i do know that people often get advise on getting smaller bike/scooter as first bike since its easy to learn and whatever, i saw and read all these from yahoo.answer and from my research but to me i always think getting what you want or like is something truly different and that kind of feeling is awesome!

What im planning to do is that i will grab a bike (most probably 696, unless i got convinced on some other good bike/advise) in 6 months time then i self-train around my housing area for few months (don't bother bout the license as i will get it b4 i get a bike) so i need you guys advise for a guy like me do you think ducati 696 suit me as my first bike in terms of handling, maneuver, size or anything that will be a factors pros/cons. You may also pm me if you wanted too biggrin.gif

Thanks for reading and very much appreciated !!

This post has been edited by robccs: Apr 20 2012, 09:24 AM
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post Apr 20 2012, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Apr 20 2012, 09:23 AM)
try er6n first ad the ducati maintenance is higher than kawasaki
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Thanks for the suggestion bro smile.gif
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post Apr 20 2012, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(hanizhan @ Apr 20 2012, 09:30 AM)
how much ur salary...??
u need to think about maintenance also...
the roadtax, insurance, wheel and etc..
dont buy a bike then u cant afford those maintenance thing..
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Thanks for the reply and advise smile.gif

I should say i don't have any financial issue on getting a bike at that cost and as well the maintenance too smile.gif


Added on April 20, 2012, 9:38 am
QUOTE(shauqimao @ Apr 20 2012, 09:31 AM)
ya..i oso suggest er6n..but better wait er6f '12...heheh
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Aha, very much appreciate bro smile.gif

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post Apr 20 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Apr 20 2012, 09:32 AM)
696 are no longer available brand new, and a second hand Duc without warranty is actually, quite a nightmare. Brand new 795 at RM63k OTR come with 2 years warranty with no mileage limit.

This is my review of the 795.

http://2fwc.com/index.php?topic=55.0

Anyway, as mr ben suggested, get the ER6n. Best learners bike.

Anything do PM me. I`m always willing to help
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Thank you, will come back to you if i have any doubt biggrin.gif
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post Apr 20 2012, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(mosesmao @ Apr 20 2012, 09:39 AM)
i suggest you to get the er6. and if you wanna upgrade real soon then get a second hand one.

I am currently riding only a small bike (Krr150zx), i used to ride a Modenas kriss. What i can say is that the bigger the bike, the harder it is to maneuver in the jam. So if your bike is way too big to filter in the jam, there is no point of getting the bike to avoid jam. just my 2 cents =)
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Thanks bro for the suggestion smile.gif)


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:21 pm
QUOTE(hanizhan @ Apr 20 2012, 09:40 AM)
if like that u can buy it... drool.gif
but for ur first bike, i recommend kawasaki er6n or er6f...
then u upgrade to 1000cc...
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Haha, thanks for the opinion bro wink.gif


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(EyraYus @ Apr 20 2012, 09:42 AM)
but actually, after trying the 795, I`ll say the 795 easier to ride compared to er6n. the only problem is the price, but if its not a problem then..


Added on April 20, 2012, 9:45 amYou are 178 and 80kg, so you fit perfectly on the 795, no problem. Just make sure you get used to the acceleration in traffic though.
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Hmm...But 795 n 696 ain't much difference aren't they but price such a big gap....Will see will see...Thanks though !


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:22 pm
QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 20 2012, 09:48 AM)
no bike experience?

better learn the bike properly first

riding a big bike in traffic is very difficult, not to mention extremely dangerous - should you do a handle lock, and fall to the side, and a car / lorry from the back did not manage to stop in time - you know the drill

plus, falling off a bike due to handle lock is abit malu

i'd suggest you get a B-full license (no need B2, straight B-full)

and rent / borrow a small moped to try to familiarise yourslef for a few months

then you choose your bike

for street riding, try to find a "naked" bike as they are more maneuvrable in traffic, rather than a superbike, such as the R1 or 1199 Panigale  brows.gif
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What you said it does make sense bro, much appreciated smile.gif


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:23 pm
QUOTE(terradrive @ Apr 20 2012, 10:27 AM)
Best learners bike will probably be the yamaha fz150i. Familiarize with it first then buy the bike you want.

Handle lock is really dangerous and malu, I experienced it when first got 150cc sports tourer even I have ridden for years in kapcai and another 175cc naked. If ducati fall down cry owhhhh
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Aha true though but we will see haha, thanks.


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:25 pm
QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
Just to share with you as i was in the same predicament as you as i have never ridden a bike before and went for the B Full licence by learning on the ER6n in driving school. The first lesson, I was not even allowed near the bike and I was given a kapchai to ride for 2hrs familiarising with the dynamics of a motorcycle. Come 2nd lesson, I was asked to use the ER6n for the first time and i was told to push the bike out first. OMG..I didn't realise how difficult it was pushing a 200lbs bike let alone riding it. It took me a hell of a tough time just to push it out and maneuver into the road. The bike feels like it wants to drop on either side and even worse is when you try to turn it. The handlebar has very small turning radius and it was damn heavy. I was taught how to start and play with the clutch, gears and brakes. Easy said than done. Somehow I manage to move the bike in first gear. The problem is stopping as you have to control clutch , rear brake and front brakes. and at the same time balancing the bike. I took it for a spin and have to stop at the junction. I got confused with the clutch and foot brakes. Everytime i press the clutch to prevent from stalling, i thought i was pressing the brakes (this is what bicycle does to you) and I immediately put down both my feet. Problem, now is i do not have brakes and as I panic I pressed the front brakes and my left leg tried to reach the ground. The bike fell on my left side slowly. It didn't hit me but my arms and shoulders were already sore by the weight of the bike. It was a nightmare and the instructor helped me to pull up the bike and I hatook a huge lashing from him. The dynamics of a big bike is not a joke. I went for a second round and the same happened as I drop the bike for a second time. I need to compose myself and relax and I manage to stop and start a few times without stalling or dropping the bike. This was my first two hours of riding experience and on  a test course. I haven't even started doing all the obstacles yet and my hands and arm was like sore for two weeks.

My advice sir, is do not underestimate the dynamics of a big bike. mastering the maneuvere is key and also the controls. I made a mistake that i should have bought a bike first and learn slowly myself. The best way to start is to put a bike on a paddock stand and start playing with the brakes, clutch, change gears and moving in 1st gear. After that is done, then learn to push the bike in and out, reverse, left and right until you are familiar with the weight distribution and how the bike behaves by understanding the handlebar lock and so on. The pushing, puling and turning will help you learn how to use your body weight to push the bike without dropping it.

The find a quiet road and start practising short start , move in 1st gear, go and stop very frequently and then move on to cornering.

Once you have done this countless times, go the test driving course and learn the obstacles and also the road safety procedures by stopping at junctions, switching lanes etc etc. Take at least 10hrs for all this.

Maybe after 2 or 3 months then only start riding on Public roads. A bike is not a car, any marginal error is not as forgiving as a car. A car may acquire small dent which can be fixed but a dent on you maybe fatal.
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Your rite bro, my intention was to get a bike first then learn around my area for 2~3 months until i get familiar so i ain't gonna ride it on the road straight away after i getting it biggrin.gif

Thanks for sharing !!


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:26 pm
QUOTE(MeToo @ Apr 20 2012, 12:28 PM)
How I started was...

ZXR250 -> 1000cc sports

but since streetbikes are much more forgivable, I'm pretty sure you can safely start with the Duc.

Heck... I poison a fren and he bought his first bike 250cc scooter, then 3 months later a 800cc BMW, and now he have 4 superbikes. and He is 58 yrs old!

So just go ahead with your Duc, take some lesson, maybe an advance riding course (not required but you will get more enjoyment out of your bike).
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Thanks for sharing smile.gif))


Added on April 20, 2012, 1:39 pmHey all sifu(s)/pros, thanks for sharing and all the help, very much appreciated !!

i had gotten many guidance e.g getting smaller bike as first learner only then proceed to bigger one...Yea its all about experience...

But still inner me, not to offense or disagree with all you guys opinion but i still think i can get a big bike and learn it for 2~3 months until i get steady with it then i started to ride it to work....hmm perhaps its really near impossible for a beginner like me to handle big bike, i can't tell because i never try it before (just yet)...

Also, i don't think changing bike after i mastered it within 2~3 months or more is an option to me (atleast 1~3 years after)...Which means if i were to change my first bike after 1~2 years long then its not something i really wanted (hope you get what i mean)...Of course, my opinion is just me so yea...

I do understood what you guys trying to guide me here....But is that really IMPOSSIBLE to get a big bike as beginner and learn it for 3 months+ until i get familiar and mastered within my housing area/empty road??? Impossible?? Way too hard to maneuver for a beginner??

What im thinking now:

Get 696 > train as much as i could within months in within any testable area as possible, get a trainer/a friend or whoever willing to help > ride to work after skill mature.


Sorry if i had offended your opinion/thoughts, just my pure thinking, i could be wrong or nobody could be right 100% in the first place haha.

Thanks !







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post Apr 20 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(mosesmao @ Apr 20 2012, 01:57 PM)
its not impossible. many ppl like you get a big bike as first bike. but its up to the talent and patience in you. I have met ppl that bought a big bike as their first bike broke their limb. So if you can control and be patience, shouldnt be the problem. But its quite hard to control especially if you are young and still aggressive. haha.
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Haha, bro i like the way you express "But its quite hard to control especially if you are young and still aggressive."

True though lolll....But breaking limbs is a serious thing to risk with :S
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post Apr 20 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(tyhuang @ Apr 20 2012, 02:18 PM)
don waste ur time on small cc bike..if u wana start with big bike..start with it n get ur dream bike instead of wasting money on those small bike...
get ur dream bike, learn with it...
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Thats what i thought instead of what other suggested on getting a small bike for months/years only then turn into bigger bike hmm. just not quite an option for me....Ok if i would getting a small bike first then i wouldn't be so complicated thinking now haha...

Thanks for the reply.


Added on April 20, 2012, 3:23 pm
QUOTE(sakos @ Apr 20 2012, 02:22 PM)
My 1st bike is 500cc Virago. After work I familiar myself at my area, during weekend I go to public area and try. After a month full time as a motor biker but mine is easy rider, quite easy to handle compare to superbike.
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Thanks for the experience bro !

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post Apr 20 2012, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 20 2012, 05:33 PM)
wah... u must have one or two ducatis in your garage to get a special invitation
it's a 480 lbs. not 200 lbs.

480lbs = 220kg bike
if u are willing to damage your ducati, you may go down that path

when you stall on a bike, u fall. if u stall a car engine, it just stops.

when a bike fall, u'll 100% damage the fairing at least. then u'll damage the tank cover. or you may clip the handlebars, footpegs. worse? perhaps chassis?

if you can drive a manual car, the clutch / gear things should be natural to you

i've been riding a small scooter for the past 4 years and straight jump to a 650cc bike. yes, it's possible to ride a big bike immediately, but it's kind of stupid to do it in the traffic road - it's simply too dangerous if you fall of your bike

you only realize the bike weight when you are riding very slowly in the traffic. the whole 400+lbs of it.

if you still want to go ahead with your plan, my only advice is to be very alert with traffic on the road. be corteous when riding (give way to others all the time - you are always the one who'll suffer more damage if u want to compete with a stubborn car or lorry). respect traffic rule. no zig-zagging in traffic like mat rempit. and most importantly, ATGAT - all the gear, all the time

speaking of which, let me poison you with some riding gear:

1. full face arai / shoei (1,500+) or nolam / caberg / suomy (1.300+)
2. leather jacket with protective padding / reflector (1,000+?)
3. riding boots (500 - 1.000+)
4. rain gear (300+)
5. riding glove (200+)
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Agree with ya bro, thanks for your suggestion biggrin.gif

And yea about the weight, when you slow down very logically you started to feel the weight of 400+ lbs included the rider T.T


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post Apr 21 2012, 01:02 PM

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Sorry to not reply some of you guys valuable messages as im kindda busy with work smile.gif

Anyway thanks for all the nice tips and opinions !!

Oh ya just to let you guys know i already make my decision, in 4 months time i will get a ducati 696 or 796 not sure yet but definitely either one of this smile.gif

Yea, i know its painful if i drop the bike while learning it but i think its fine for me as i can bear the repair cost so to me its like a punishment if i make mistake so i will stand back up to train harder with that bike biggrin.gif

So i will get it in 4 months time then i wil take another 6 months+ or more to learn around my housing area/empty space with a sifu/friend until i get farmiliar enough then i will proceed my bike test.

And for some of you concern about me getting big bike and not able to handle it due to heaviness and so fourth, just to tell that ima also a body builder and if my muscle now not enough for me to handle the big bike and i will hit gym more regularly with tons of lifting so i will get evolve and more hardwork until me and the bike blended as one loll...

So yea, thats my plan and we will see how a beginner like me handle a ducati as first bike in the 10 months transformation (get it after 4 months time + 6 months of bike/body training)...accomplishment will be shared biggrin.gif

Again, appreciate all of you guys who dropped by and the willingness to help !!

Thanks and my last reply on this thread !!!

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